Guild Wars 2

so.

at level 40+ or so, my cond damage was around 1200-1300 uplevelled to 80 in wvw with level 35 rares. full cond gear.

at level 77, my cond damage is 820 or so uplevelled to 80 in wvw with level 65 rares. full cond gear.

this happened kind of gradually over the past month with every patch, till the latest one where my cond damage suddenly just went from around 1k to around 800.

what is this excrement?

Uplevels are actually more powerful than level 80 players themselves in terms of the flat stats from equipment when they’re upleveled

so this is normal? if i go for a power/crit build at level 40+ or so, my damage would be higher than a level 80 going for the same stats? how do you justify something like this? i really don’t understand.

They justify it in the fact that while the stats from the armor and weapons are higher at that level, your traits are not that strong, so the lack of boosts and abilities from those even it out. Plus well, at level 40 you’re not likely to have access to all of the skills.

that’s funny. i am much weaker now with 30 points in cond dmg trait line than at level 40 with less in it. the traits i have now vs the ones i had at level 40+ don’t compensate for 500 cond damage difference either. in terms of skills, i had everything i wanted, including enough skill points for an elite, at level 40+.

this just doesn’t make any sense at all in my particular situation.

Are you wearing full exotic condition damage armor?

nope just rares for now at level 77. i’m waiting to get to 80 before i really gear up with exotics and some ascended trinkets. i’m sure at level 80 i will do decently. it’s this process of being stronger at level 40+ than at level 70+ that’s not making sense.

They did it so low levels wouldn’t get too horribly pwned in WvW.

jdmThor.3806:

so.

at level 40+ or so, my cond damage was around 1200-1300 uplevelled to 80 in wvw with level 35 rares. full cond gear.

at level 77, my cond damage is 820 or so uplevelled to 80 in wvw with level 65 rares. full cond gear.

this happened kind of gradually over the past month with every patch, till the latest one where my cond damage suddenly just went from around 1k to around 800.

what is this excrement?

If I remember right from someone doing a test a while back the level difference between your current level and gear level makes a difference as well. When you were level 40 there was only a 5 level difference vs when you were level 77 having a 11 level difference. Mind you this test was posted on reddit about 4-5 months back.

yeah i get that but it’s a horrible system. a player should gradually be getting stronger as he/she levels up and gets better gear with better stats. i’d prefer to have my level 40+ cond damage with less traits at this point than what i have now. that’s just my opinion anyway.

Zikory.6871:

jdmThor.3806:

so.

at level 40+ or so, my cond damage was around 1200-1300 uplevelled to 80 in wvw with level 35 rares. full cond gear.

at level 77, my cond damage is 820 or so uplevelled to 80 in wvw with level 65 rares. full cond gear.

this happened kind of gradually over the past month with every patch, till the latest one where my cond damage suddenly just went from around 1k to around 800.

what is this excrement?

If I remember right from someone doing a test a while back the level difference between your current level and gear level makes a difference as well. When you were level 40 there was only a 5 level difference vs when you were level 77 having a 11 level difference. Mind you this test was posted on reddit about 4-5 months back.

i see. this game’s system is completely new to me and a lot of things don’t make sense. i would experiment with exotics at my current level but it’s a waste of gold at this point. thanks for that info though.

Don’t bother buying exotics with gold, you can get pieces either through karma merchants in Orr (these ones seem to be pretty meh on stats) or by running dungeons for the tokens to get the pieces.

Upleveled stats are a bit wonky. Basically you need gear current for your level to have good stats. Every time you level up, your upleveled stats will actually drop a bit unless you update your gear (although trait points can somewhat mitigate the losses.). In fact, you can make level 1-10 chars with absurdly high power and crit damage because of the way the up-leveling works, but once you gain a few levels, your stats fall like a stone.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Don’t bother buying exotics with gold, you can get pieces either through karma merchants in Orr (these ones seem to be pretty meh on stats) or by running dungeons for the tokens to get the pieces.

yeah thanks i know about dungeons and karma merchants. i have a fully geared level 80 ele. i plan on purchasing the exotic set for my ranger with gold because it’s the easiest option for me right now.

fishergrip.4082:

Upleveled stats are a bit wonky. Basically you need gear current for your level to have good stats. Every time you level up, your upleveled stats will actually drop a bit unless you update your gear (although trait points can somewhat mitigate the losses.). In fact, you can make level 1-10 chars with absurdly high power and crit damage because of the way the up-leveling works, but once you gain a few levels, your stats fall like a stone.

that’s my experience basically. i thought it was getting continually nerfed with every patch lol but i guess i was just leveling up and having the same gear. thanks guys for the info

Actually I have tested this on a few chars, the easiest build in wvw as an up-leveled is condition, because it scales so well, but Precision / Crit gear will also work, but again, i prefer condition.

jdmThor.3806:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Don’t bother buying exotics with gold, you can get pieces either through karma merchants in Orr (these ones seem to be pretty meh on stats) or by running dungeons for the tokens to get the pieces.

yeah thanks i know about dungeons and karma merchants. i have a fully geared level 80 ele. i plan on purchasing the exotic set for my ranger with gold because it’s the easiest option for me right now.

You can buy a full set of rabid gear in orr with karma (minus weapons), for a trapper build.

Aioros.4862:

jdmThor.3806:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Don’t bother buying exotics with gold, you can get pieces either through karma merchants in Orr (these ones seem to be pretty meh on stats) or by running dungeons for the tokens to get the pieces.

yeah thanks i know about dungeons and karma merchants. i have a fully geared level 80 ele. i plan on purchasing the exotic set for my ranger with gold because it’s the easiest option for me right now.

You can buy a full set of rabid gear in orr with karma (minus weapons), for a trapper build.

i’m not going with rabid gear

edit: and also, i’m trying to save up my karma for a legendary which i probably will never get anyway.

Despite the seemingly higher stats you got when you were 40+, I can be 80-99% sure that you’ll still get even higher stats at 80 if you’re at full exo/ascended gear than when you were @ 40.

penatbater.4710:

Despite the seemingly higher stats you got when you were 40+, I can be 80-99% sure that you’ll still get even higher stats at 80 if you’re at full exo/ascended gear than when you were @ 40.

i’m actually 100% sure i’ll get higher stats at level 80 with at least full exotic gear. iv’e checked out some builds with corresponding final stats. it’s just the upleveling mechanics that didn’t make sense to me.

Well I think the main reason it’s like that is because low levels only got single stat gear compared to tri stats gear we get at 80. So if you upscale their stats so that they get kinda the same amount of stat point total, you end up with builds with massive single stats and very weak all other while a 80 will be more balanced with 1 very strong stat, 2 strong and the rest weak.

jdmThor.3806:

i’m not going with rabid gear

edit: and also, i’m trying to save up my karma for a legendary which i probably will never get anyway.

Whatever you go with, try to wait for the patch next week and only spend the gold after you’ve seen the impact of changes in your build. :P