after experiencing the inmense fail that “semi-random” matchups represent, I do.
I dont care if some matchups become too frequent, at least they are roughly even.
figthing the same servers for several weeks might be boring. but its preferable to figthing against servers 5-8 ranks above/below your own, thats simply idiotic.
if the tiers stagnate for weeks on end, it means that the servers in the bottom tier cannot reach the upper tier by themselvess. In my book thats a clear cut definition of “power gap”
I suppose you mean that such matches wouldnt be complete blowouts but instead be within reasonable limits of unbalancedness. but thats your opinion, and what you consider “reasonably” unbalanced others might see it as “unreasonably”.
tiered matches are by definition the closest we’ll ever get to balance that everyone can agree with
that said, I personally fail to see whats the problem with having the same matchups repeated. you are put where you belong, to ensure you get the closest matches for your power level.
in the games of old,(ex: DAOC) you rolled a faction on a server, and you had the same opponents forever. and I never heard of anyone complaining about that till now….
DAOC didn’t have “ppt”, which is probably the worst idea for any 24/7 game. If you don’t have equal coverage, you automatically are at a disadvantage.
DAOC measured RPs, guild points, and RR. That was their measuring stick for people who like numbers on a webpage, which Anet still hasn’t done 1 year in.
Wars were never ending, even if one realm had a lock down for 3 days on something, you knew you would get a window down the road to get it back. Right now all the action is limited to 7 days and you are penalized for not maintaining territory.
They really shouldn’t have tried to re-invent the wheel, especially when they had mythic employees on board to give them counsel. Their WvW game is dying, but they have no one to blame but themselves.
Gotta love the DOAC comments.. and that game is still hugely successful, am I right? Hmm, musta been some crappy stuff about that game that drove people to other games.
As for tier matchups, meh, they did that, it was boring. This at least has the option of good fights one week, level an alt another. Being locked for 7 weeks though, is just stupid.
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Gotta love the DOAC comments.. and that game is still hugely successful, am I right?
well, its still running with no signs of shutting down anytime soon, almost 13 years after being released
Just because 5 people still play, doesn’t mean it’s still a booming game.
as I said, come back in 12 years from now and say that again…..hell, thats just unfair. lets make it TWO years…I doubt GW2’s WvW has even 5 players by then
Gotta love the DOAC comments.. and that game is still hugely successful, am I right? Hmm, musta been some crappy stuff about that game that drove people to other games.
As for tier matchups, meh, they did that, it was boring. This at least has the option of good fights one week, level an alt another. Being locked for 7 weeks though, is just stupid.
It is an old game, all old games lose players regardless of how good it is, and young kids don’t appreciate old really well made games, purely because they need GRAPHICSZSZSZSZSZSZ which means old games (no matter what game) will NEVER gain players over time, your point is illogical and flawed to no end.
If I am not mistaken they’re making a new game, titled Camelot Unchained?
+1 to tiers, they were, and always will be, the best possible match ups.
If I am not mistaken they’re making a new game, titled Camelot Unchained?
Jacobs is the only guy from DAoC that is making Camelot Unchained as far as I am aware, but he was probably the biggest force behind DAoC and its design.
But even Elder Scrolls Online has a lot of DAoC devs including the DAoC Game Director (Firor), which is probably why they also have 3-faction RvR in their game.
Gotta love the DOAC comments.. and that game is still hugely successful, am I right? Hmm, musta been some crappy stuff about that game that drove people to other games.
That is a pretty hilarious comment, when GW2’s WvW is basically a clone of DAoC RvR. The ANet devs themselves stated it was their inspiration. Even to the very fact that players name are not visible by enemies is taken from DAoC. I am also certain there are former Mythic devs on the ANet staff.
So I am sure they can use additional tips from DAoC in terms of how scoring worked.
If I am not mistaken they’re making a new game, titled Camelot Unchained?
Jacobs is the only guy from DAoC that is making Camelot Unchained as far as I am aware, but he was probably the biggest force behind DAoC and its design.
nah, Firor was. Jacobs was the genius behind ToA and later expacs, also at the helm of WAR’s debacle, where his greatest input was WAR’s lol-worthy crafting system.
If I am not mistaken they’re making a new game, titled Camelot Unchained?
Jacobs is the only guy from DAoC that is making Camelot Unchained as far as I am aware, but he was probably the biggest force behind DAoC and its design.
nah, Firor was. Jacobs was the genius behind ToA and later expacs, also at the helm of WAR’s debacle, where his greatest input was WAR’s lol-worthy crafting system.
I mean in terms of the whole concept of 3 faction RvR, Jacobs said he came up with the idea after playing a game that had 3 nation plane combat. Forgot what the name of the game was.
Edit: Found it.
Why PvP instead of a PvE focus? And how was the Realm vs. Realm format born?
Jacobs: I love PvE games but I knew that going against the PvE champ EQ was a losing proposition. We didn’t have the time and money to try to beat EQ so, borrowing an old baseball axiom, I wanted us to “hit it where it ain’t” and we did. As to the RvR format, credit for that idea goes, as it always has, to the guys at Kesmai who created Air Warrior. As a long time player and fan of that game, I saw the advantages of having three realms that fight against each other. So, once I knew that I wanted an RvR game, I knew I needed the IP to go with it and well, as above, the shower led the way.
But I am sure Firor was the brains behind the design. Jacobs probably provided the idea.
The problem with tiered matchups is that it created an effect I am going to call teir locking.
When servers would switch teirs, they would always push points UP while taking points away from lower rank servers. In effect the point differential between the top server and the bottom server kept increasing. Eventually it became nearly impossible to move up teirs at all. Even if your server had the population and coverage to beat servers in the next teir because your server could not beat the other servers in your teir enough to push their rating past the massive rating gulf between the teirs.
Essentially you had to wait till a server above you imploded, which would make the rating gulf even bigger.
The problem with tiered matchups is that it created an effect I am going to call teir locking.
When servers would switch teirs, they would always push points UP while taking points away from lower rank servers. In effect the point differential between the top server and the bottom server kept increasing. Eventually it became nearly impossible to move up teirs at all. Even if your server had the population and coverage to beat servers in the next teir because your server could not beat the other servers in your teir enough to push their rating past the massive rating gulf between the teirs.
Essentially you had to wait till a server above you imploded, which would make the rating gulf even bigger.
I don’t see why a simple promotion/relegation system would not be the best.
I do not want the tiered system again. Getting locked into the same match-up week after week is boring. Having to work twice as hard just to get a new match-up was not worth it.
Will hopefully league play will increase the amount of people attempting to wvw. Going by ranking points half of the leagues will be very competitive the others will not. The most leagues are closer in ranking point than NA gold. Ranking point difference: NA gold league 1vs6 400pts, NA silver 7vs15 364pts, NA bronze 16vs24 240pts. EU gold 1vs9 245pts, EU silver 10vs18 230pts, EU bronze 19vs27 685pts. The bottom 2 servers in EU will get stomped by everyone, NA t1 servers will have a easy match half of the time, and who every fails to get into the NA gold league will win silver league.
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Gotta love the DOAC comments.. and that game is still hugely successful, am I right? Hmm, musta been some crappy stuff about that game that drove people to other games.
That is a pretty hilarious comment, when GW2’s WvW is basically a clone of DAoC RvR. The ANet devs themselves stated it was their inspiration. Even to the very fact that players name are not visible by enemies is taken from DAoC. I am also certain there are former Mythic devs on the ANet staff.
So I am sure they can use additional tips from DAoC in terms of how scoring worked.
