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On guildwars2guru we are a bunch of players who have been trying to figure out how to make the Legendary weapon Twilight. Here is a link to the thread: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/62812-crafting-twilight-speculation-and-how-to/#entry1906790
We have a list of items that we think you need to make the weapon. However the most interesting item is the Mystic Clover, we have come to the conclusion that you need 250 Mystic Clovers. The only known way of getting the Mystic Clover is by combining “10 Obsidian Shards + 10 Ectoplasm + 10 Crystals + 10 Mystic Coins”.
HOWEVER it is a random out come which means you have a chance of getting Mystic Clover, when taking into account that it is random and that you need 10 Obsidian Shards it basically takes aproximately 1,5 million, yes 1,5 million karma to get your 250 Mystic Clovers from this random recipe.
In addtion to the 1,5 million karma needed for the 250 Mystic Clovers you also need 525k karma to buy another 250 Obsidian Shards. This makes the total Legendary grind cost you aproximately 2 million karma. Asuming you spend 12 hours a day farming 50k karma it will take you 40 days to get 2 million karma. I have seen rediculous grinds before (Diablo 3 – Paragon lvl 100 comes to mind) but this grind blows everything else out of the water.
I see two options either the recipe costs a lot more than was originally intended or the Mystic Clover has its own recipe too (which of course would have to be much cheaper). So if anyone have any insight on a recipe to make Mystic Clovers in the Mystic forge please share.
I take it you’ve never played eve online then?
Want to know how long it will take before you can effectively fly a titan (PROPERLY fly one)
Here’s the good news! You’re not alone, so don’t worry about facing anyone with it any time soon. Oh? We should all be able to get things right away? Here I was thinking people were already complaining about nothing to do (I’m not one of them)
Silly me.
First of all im not complaining im stating that there have to be another recipe or that it must have been changed from the beta. Secondly you are missing the entire point of this thread.
Third if you had read everything in this thread you would know I have infact played EVE online, logging in for 5 minutes a day to set your skill queue and then logging out again is not a grind. Now that we are talking about titans I know exactly how long it takes to fly a titan properly infact I sold my EVE account (with my Avatar pilot) about 10 months ago and got… lets just say a good sum of money from it. Since then I decided to start another account where I currently have 8,5mil SP on my station trading alt and 10mil SP on my hurricane pilot main.
When people are saying that x game has much harder grinds they also seem to forget that these games are not from 2012.
On another note we now know all the materials required to make a legendary item, we still do not know how many of each item it takes but we know what those items are.
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/64363-legendary-weapons-guide/
That thread is outdated, the one I posted is much better.
Allso: people aren’t questioning that you can get a clover with a random result. They are questioning your assumption that you need 250 of them. Even the ANet post above hints that you are off in that assumption.
2 million karma is probably not accurate.
They may have changed it from 250 to 100 since the beta, that would effectively reduce the grind from 1,5mil + 525k to 600k + 525k. If it is changed to 100 instead you would only (lol) have to grind 1125k karma on average.
Assumptions are simply that. I recommend doing some more research so you can base your time estimates on facts. That said, Legendaries are meant to be a long term investment and we made them super cool so as to be worth that long term investment. Anyone I see with a Legendary will certainly have my respect and yes, I do plan on one day crafting one myself.
There is another way of getting Mystic Clovers than the known recipe that has a random out put (10 Obsidian Shards + 10 Ectoplasm + 10 Crystal + 10 Coins = 20-50 of a random t6 material) Confirm/Deny?
Heres a screenshot I took myself on live http://imgur.com/1K965 people who played closed beta have confirmed that this is one of those items needed. I wont give you their names but lets just say some of the people actually show up in the video where you can see the two legendary GS.
Gift of Exploration, Gift of Battle, Bloodstone Shard and 250 Obsidian shards were used for intermediate item 1 on the closed beta. We know for a fact these items also combine on live so dont give me that bullcrap.
There is no limit to how many “required for legendary” items can be needed for a recipe if there are intermediate items formed.
IE. Gift + Runestone + Shard + Clover = Intermediate Item 1
Dusk + Intermediate 1 + Intermediate 2 + Intermediate 3 = Legendary
This guy gets it. The 2nd example is exactly how you make Twilight.
I find it funny how people trust the Wiki and yet believes that Twilight is hard to get, if you only needed what was listed on the wiki it would not take more than a week of playing 6 hours a day to get it.
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Mate I suggest you go read that thread on gw2guru because im not going to explain it to you when all the information is right there.
You need Mystic Clovers and that is 100% sure, you can take my word for it or you can read the information in the link I provided on the first page.
Another fact is that the only recipe we know so far gives a random material which means it will take aprox 1,5 million karma to make the Mystic Clovers that you need.
Annnnnd thats where you are wrong, the Gifts from Miyani are not used for all legendaries but all other items are when they say “used to craft legendary items”. This includes Gift of Exploration, Gift of Battle, Icy Runestone, Mystic Clover, Bloodstone Shard and Obsidian Shard.
Just curious but how do you know its correct? Has anyone gotten the legendary live yet? If your going from beta things change from beta and this might have been one of them.
No one on live have made a legendary, we know from the beta that you need Mystic Clover and people have already made Mystic Clover. The randomness of the recipe means that you have to spend 1,5 million karma to get 250 Mystic Clovers.
Ok well please avoid saying you know 100% that its this as till its actually crafted nothing is 100%.
Yes it is the description on the item still says that you need it to craft legendary weapons (which means all of them). We know the recipe 100% for Mystic Clover because people have made that item on live the problem is that the recipe doesnt have a 100% outcome for mystic clovers.
Just curious but how do you know its correct? Has anyone gotten the legendary live yet? If your going from beta things change from beta and this might have been one of them.
No one on live have made a legendary, we know from the beta that you need Mystic Clover and people have already made Mystic Clover. The randomness of the recipe means that you have to spend 1,5 million karma to get 250 Mystic Clovers.
Karma grinding. Just great. Time to make ue of the Influence Banners I’m crafting in my guild
Those are for guild influence only. you want the Karma boost banners under the politics upgrades to boost your Karma rewards. I believe there are also personal Karma boosters you can buy from the trading post or get from black lion chests.
Currently the Karma Boosts cant actually make it quicker, you NEED to take a break once every 50mins if you use the 50% extra karma item. If you keep going you will end up getting 20 karma per event.
Have you guys looked at the wiki at all? http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Legendary_weapon
Has a list of legnedary weapons and the mats there are 2 legendary great swords btw
Twilight and Sunrise each require either dawn of rage for sunrise and dusk of rage for twilight.
The wiki is not written by ArenaNet employees, 90% of the information about legendary items on the wiki is false information.
All I see if we think we have the correct recipe and we think the calculation for the randomness of the mystic clover is correct
How about you find out if the recipe is correct first and how about you find out how many clovers you get with a certain number of combines
Then compare it to the other legedary recipes and what they have to do to get theirs
After all that is done then perhaps there may be a legitamate complaint behind the whole thing
But really in a game where just about everything you do gains karma and the fact that you are talking about what is called a legendary weapon, seeing that it would take a few months to get, I don’t really see an issue
And I don’t see it as a grind either. I don’t do events for Karma and I don’t do wvw for Karma I do those because I enjoy doing them so that is not a grind.
I’m sorry you don’t have your epic 2 weeks after the games was released though
The recipe is 100% correct, we do however not know if there is more than one recipe and thats what im hoping for.
I don’t understand the replies in this thread… The OP asked a simple question if anyone knew of a recipe for mystic clovers because the only known option right now is random…
Then a bunch of people come in and start screaming about how legendary weapons should be hard to get and the OP is an idiot because he wants to have everything handed to him…
Did I miss something?
Exactly, it makes no sence that the recipe is random when Dusk/Dawn already is random. It also makes no sence that you have to grind karma for Mystic Clovers when you already have another karma grind of 525k to get 250 Obsidian Shards. The fact that the karma grind takes 2 million karma doesnt make any sence either because they want each piece of the item to take about the same amount of time to make however this piece will be 80% of the entire grind.
There have to be another way of getting mystic clovers and thats what I need help with.
I dont need people to tell me how hard grinds were in 10 year old games or in EVE online which btw is not a grind because you only have to log in for 10 mins a day for 2 years to fly a Titan decently.
With the new code ArenaNet have implemented to prevent botting or grinding or w/e you are no longer able to get full use of the Karma Boosters. I used two of these today and both times I were only able to play for 50 mins before the Karma from events started to decrease surely this cant be right and needs to be fixed.
I am reporting this as a bug because it quite obviously is a flaw is the system, I am paying real life money for Karma Boosters but I only get the full effect for 50 mins instead of 60.
You might say that its because I did the same event over and over again but that is simply not true. I did stay in Malchor’s Leap, Straits of Devastation and Cursed Shore but beeing in 3 zones should not trigger some anti bot code.
WoW Rogue’s legendary daggers on cataclysm used to take like 4 months of a straight forward “grind” on the last tier raid, so whats your point regarding the time it takes to get the most “high-end” item?
Did you even play WoW? It never took 4 months, world first pair of daggers took a month and a half, if you add an additional month you could get these daggers by playing 3 hours a week as long as you were in a half decent guild. These daggers are the easiest legendary item to get in WoW so far.
If Blizzard had allowed raiders to reset raid instances once they were cleared someone would have gotten the daggers in the first 3 days.
I have sources that had these weapons on the closed beta. The only thing that might not be correct is the recipe to make mystic clovers and thats why I made this thread, I want to know if anyone know a Mystic Forge recipe that gives you Mystic Clover 100% of the time.
Superior sigil of rage is the sigil that all those items from the Mystic Forge come with. Stop calling them rage, the real name for the Greatswords for example are Dusk and Dawn, not Dawn of Rage or Dusk of Rage and especially not just Rage.
Your point being? Even if it had been out for 12 months and you decided today that you wanted to make a weapon you would still have to spend 50-60 days of playing 12+ hours a day to get one.
I did not play GW1 so I have no idea how long Obsidian Armor took you to get. However in the case of these Legendary weapons and the 2 million karma grind it will take you minimum 50-60 days to get a legendary weapon if you play 12+ hours a day (obviously would require you to have no job, studies etc). Those numbers only apply if you do nothing but grind for the legendary when you are logged in. I cant honestly believe that the Obsidian Armor was anywhere near as hard to get.
On guildwars2guru we are a bunch of players who have been trying to figure out how to make the Legendary weapon Twilight. Here is a link to the thread: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/62812-crafting-twilight-speculation-and-how-to/#entry1906790
We have a list of items that we think you need to make the weapon. However the most interesting item is the Mystic Clover, we have come to the conclusion that you need 250 Mystic Clovers. The only known way of getting the Mystic Clover is by combining “10 Obsidian Shards + 10 Ectoplasm + 10 Crystals + 10 Mystic Coins”.
HOWEVER it is a random out come which means you have a chance of getting Mystic Clover, when taking into account that it is random and that you need 10 Obsidian Shards it basically takes aproximately 1,5 million, yes 1,5 million karma to get your 250 Mystic Clovers from this random recipe.
In addtion to the 1,5 million karma needed for the 250 Mystic Clovers you also need 525k karma to buy another 250 Obsidian Shards. This makes the total Legendary grind cost you aproximately 2 million karma. Asuming you spend 12 hours a day farming 50k karma it will take you 40 days to get 2 million karma. I have seen rediculous grinds before (Diablo 3 – Paragon lvl 100 comes to mind) but this grind blows everything else out of the water.
I see two options either the recipe costs a lot more than was originally intended or the Mystic Clover has its own recipe too (which of course would have to be much cheaper). So if anyone have any insight on a recipe to make Mystic Clovers in the Mystic forge please share.