Guild Wars 2

I don’t play necro, but i know why you are keep DIE DIE DIE. Cause every time my team see a necro, we put that target maker on your head, then spam all damage skill and drop aoe on you until you are a dead. To us who dont play necro, a good necro is a dead necro

Chaba.5410:

Bloodyjoker.4327:

My experience so far is I am doing everything these high rank player are doing, caping camps, towers, killing enemies, and i dont see them doing anymore than i am

Sorry, but you are not doing more dmg to walls and gates and guards and keep lords, you can’t give protection from arrow cart fire with a shield gen, you’re not applying structural vulnerability to gates, you’re not carrying larger amounts of supply, you can’t use the bubble on catas to prevent getting hit from trebs and mortars and other catas, you aren’t draining supply with the poison cow on trebs, etc.; all the things that contribute to faster performance of WvW activities. The list goes on. You don’t have the masteries if you are lower rank so you aren’t doing the same. Moreover, you don’t have the experience to take a T3 defended keep nor experience in reading “map politics” in order to maximize your kills/WXP gain. You are not doing the same as vets.

Then for every percent what you do more you should receive more. I really doubt you a diamond can carry 6 times more supply then a newbies. same goes for damage. And if you really want to use masteries as an excuse into this, then rank 1000 to rank 10000 should receive the same amount since masteries max out at rank 1000

PS: You know the funny thing is, there are time i find myself doing a lot more than most your so call “vets,” its when they stand on there feet afking farming those pips. So unless you can actually get the data from anet that 100% of the vets do more, dont just auto assume, assumption does not equal evidence. Use solid evidence to back your point. currently what you are trying to prove are clear as mud.

Chaba.5410:

Bloodyjoker.4327:

As for us who think the pip is unfair, we are here to voice our opinion

Exactly! Those of us who thought it was unfair that you could go play PvE and gain Power of the Mists bonuses without needing to step a foot into WvW are here to voice our opinions! VIVA! Why should we care that some stranger is here only now to complain about WvW rewards after 4 years? You are not owed anything.

The last I check I payed for a game call guild war 2, not pve or wvw. So I payed my money for all aspect of the game, So i am going to step my foot in WvW. And i dont care if you care or not cause you really cant do anything about this situation. I just want anet to hear my opinions and im sure they care cause i bring them in more money. O lastly, I do owed something, i owe the game, which give me access the wvw, and you cant do anything about it

Heibi.4251:

@Bloodyjoker –
In your own words “Anet don’t owe you anything, you are not entitled to anything for willingly playing a video game.”

ANeT is doing the smart thing and actually recognizing that long time high ranking players have kept the WvW game mode alive. Without it we wouldn’t be talking about pips. The problem here is that players, seemingly like you and others who want everything “equal”, think ANeT actually owes you something.

With the new pip system ANeT is trying to encourage more play in WvW obviously. I’m sure they could up the basic reward – server match up position in a skirmish 1st, 2nd, 3rd. But giving everyone the same pip count makes no sense. WvW rank actually means something now, beyond having cata mastery and such. Once we reached the completion of all the masteries in WvW we got nothing but titles for the enemy to snipe. Now we actually get rewards befitting our time and effort we put into the game. Play long enough and you’ll get there too.

First thing of all, I don’t think anet owe me something, i just think the way pips are scale base on rank are way too high… a new player need to play 40+ hours in a week while someone in high rank only need 20 hours. thats 20 hours different per week… so people like me have to spend extra 20 hours more every weeks for just to get the same reward. now i dont know and i dont care what happen few years ago cause it got nothing to me as i dont even play this game, but when i bring this current issue of “unfair effort compare to reward” up to anet, these so call “vets” came out of no where and start dropping their tears on me and start to tell me how they were “neglected,” so I as a new player should just suck it up and being put in the dirt. I just started playing this game and the only mode i have played is wvw, so im not one of those you called pve or pvp er, so plz don’t slap those on me also. My experience so far is I am doing everything these high rank player are doing, caping camps, towers, killing enemies, and i dont see them doing anymore than i am, but i have to spend 3-4 times the hours than them. The reward gap between new and old players is ridiculous, to put it in your word, i feel “neglected” as a new player to game, I am putting the same effort as other while they progress way more reward. And I am not making this complain to “vets” wvw players of this game, I am complaining this to Anet as a new costumer to their company, but somehow you guys drop out of sky and demand that i shouldn’t voice my opinion, that i should keep quiet. The reason I bought this game was my friend telling me the community is nice, but holy Jesus, if i have known this. If anet decide not to change im am not gonna cry, im not gonna stick to wvw and keep being “neglected” for years like some of you have, i will just try other game mode, if i still find nothing, just like i said to you, no one is pointing a gun at my head, i will just move on. No hard feeling, just feeling the current wvw is not worth my time and are just expressing my concern to anet.

Turk.5460:

Jaysian.8135:

Turk.5460:

Spoichiche.1290:

Turk.5460:

Parallel to your logic, veteran WvW players should have been given a LARGE amount of claim tickets from the start of this new WvW update. For free, obviously, since the same rewards weren’t given throughout the few years prior.

This wouldn’t be much different than how it is now ….would it?

You really don’t understand the complaints do you?

If when the update dropped every player got x number of skirmish tickets based on their rank, and for every rank gained from this point on, every player would get x amount of ticket, there would be no issue. Because players would be progressing at the same speed.

The problem the current system has and why people are calling it unfair, is because wvw rank affect the rate at which you earn rewards. It’s exponential instead of linear, meaning that not only new players will never catch up with the vets, but the vets will continuously increase their lead until both the new player and the vet get to rank 10000.
And when i’m talking about the reward, i’m not just talking about the skirmish tickets, but all the reward linked to pip aquisition (including the repeatable chest).

Now you’re free to think wether that’s fair of not, but please, at least try to understand what the issue is.

I completely understand the complaints. I’m merely stating that if it happened differently, and X group of players started off with more currency than Y group of players, then Y group of players would still complain to the same extent that is happening right here in this thread.

Nope i would not complain about that, just like i know people who participated in previous spvp seasons are gonna have more pvp tickets and ascended shard of glory than me who just started this season. Because I know everytime time i win a match every hour i spend, our reward progress are still gonna be very similar even compare to people who play spvp since the game came out. But it discouraging when someone who run next to you in wvw doing the exact samething, get 5-6 times faster reward progress.

??

If my theoretical alternative was in place, the vets would already have the rewards they are currently getting “5-6 times faster” right now. They would have gotten what you’re apparently “competing” to get on day 1 of the update.

So if your complaint is that they’re getting towards the rewards faster, logically, you would be more upset by my devil’s advocate system.

You don’t get it do you? This is not about “making up” to the old vet wvw players, this is about making wvw reward system better in general. The fact is, no one care. No one care that you feel neglected, no one give a crab about how you didn’t get enough reward is the pass few years. You could of stop, you could of quit, you could of delete the game. No one point a gun at your head force you to play. No one care that some stranger feel that he didn’t get enough reward for playing a video game. As for us who think the pip is unfair, we are here to voice our opinion, and we think the current pip system is unfair. If anet agree with us then they will change it, if they don’t then nothing will change. Don’t come here to give us your sad story of being neglected. New wvw player don’t owe you anything, Anet don’t owe you anything, you are not entitled to anything for willingly playing a video game.