Guild Wars 2

swiftpaw.6397 yes that’s a good point. Its the spite kicking that bothers me. The reason i tiled the post scam is due to the replaced player and to be truthful it has only happened about 2 times which isn’t that major. For the most part it is as you mentioned “spite kicking” for revenge. Its quite underhanded but it works like a charm. This happens to me more often due to arguments, because i am the first to jump in and argue a point obviously. As i know this is a bad trait to have i have never had the need to kick a player the last 10 seconds to spite him.

If i were kicked any other time during the dungeon due to arguments it would be understandable and actually more fair since now i don’t have to play another 20 min just to get kicked at the end. Thats why i also like your point of kicking a player the moment there is a problem

Your idea of not allowing kicks during final boss fight is great, more specifically it would be more useful if kicking becomes impossible when the final boss is below half hp. This would mean spite kick would become impossible unless the 4 party can totally solo the last boss. Which is less frequent.

Also if a player plays bad during the final boss fight or DC’s or any other equivalent action that would warrant a kick, that party would probably wipe and then the boss would reset enabling kick again. It is a very good idea. I like it.

Also about the way that i know i was replaced: the times that i have realized the circumstances were the same. I was whispered by a player at the start to join the party. That player not necessarily being the culprit since you have no idea who kicks you. But what happens is you get kicked when the boss is 5%. Everyone knows when you get kicked. You are bounced out of the party and the dungeon. Since your party chat disappears you see the old whisper of that player and in an attempt to get your reward you right click his name and say ‘join’ to which reply you get “Party is full”. Which obviously means you have been replaced since no1 attempts to get a better player when the final boss has 5% hp. Also i have in a case whispered a player and then he replied that someone else joined and he couldn’t give me the name since he “already finished” the dungeon. For all i know it could have been him. But that’s basically the grub.

I still think the above mentioned solution is a great idea. You do not need the kick function when the final boss is below half hp.

Ill admit that the mood could be one deciding factor of the reason. But my point still stands 2 votes needed for a kick. And again , this is not a matter of pulling weight. Players do not kick you the last 15 seconds of a dungeon because they don’t like your contribution. They do it to spite you and while your out of the party they finish it either with a party of 4 players or the new added 5 sec participant. This happens when the final boss has a hp value of 5-10% meaning they don’t need a full squad to finish.

So you’ll agree its fair to give 2 players the power to kick a player in the final moments of a dungeon ? That is insanity. The reason I am posting is because i have heard of this happening to many players. This even happens when a fight occurs between 2 players. If there is no way to report abusive players, this will open opportunity for other players to do the same. How great it must be to simply kick a player in the last 15 seconds if you have an argument. You waste 40 min of their time and the kick is untraceable.

I like the idea of just tapping your print screen button in a party to have their names available. Then at least you can navigate to forums and report them there. Though this is a roundabout way to achieve something. it is still by far the most constructive solution that we have at the ready. Thanks for that

Also Cameirus.8407. You make a good point. Opening the dungeon essentially makes you the party leader. Which is the current solution i have to the problem. You cant get scammed when your the leader because the scammers get kicked too. But the point stands not one or 2 players should have absolute power over the party. If gw2 had a internal lfg as you mentioned it would be much simpler. Even if its based off their very own PvP mach up system.

swiftpaw.6397. You also make a great point. And that was a good example. Think about this: What if the guardian you were trying to help by telling him what skills to use decided to cote kick you because you were annoying him ? His guildy would surely have kicked you and you might have been in that fractal the last hour and a half and lost it all. It is also true that you wouldnt be able to kick this gaurdian if 4 votes required.. But how about if it worked like a voting system truly works meaning 3/5 voted YES, and 2/5 Voted NO meaning the player gets kicked due to winning vote.

Well as i titled the post the kicking is due to scam. A player that gets kicked 10 to 15 seconds before the final boss gets killed is not kicked due to that player not pulling his own weight. That player is kicked such that he loses his reward.

Secondly at the moment the only way other than using your guild to get a dungeon party is to go on gw2lfg or map chat and get a party. And there shouldn’t need to be more ways, that’s more than enough. The problem is abusive behavior among players. Taking a player’s dungeon reward is as good as stealing his gold. If a player spends 30 – 45 min farming gold and that gets stolen it is the same concept. Getting kicked when the boss is at 10% hp means you do not have enough time to join the group again even if it were possible. You are essentially being used to farm another players dungeon reward.

The solution cannot possibly be “Do not join a public party”. Getting your dungeon reward stolen is just as good as getting your money stolen or getting items stolen or getting your account hacked. One easy solution could be to increase the number of votes needed to kick a player from a party based on the amount of players in that party. Meaning 5 players 4 votes required, 3 players 2 votes ect. this would at least stop players from being kicked at the end of a dungeon due to simple things such as arguments or dislikes between 2-3 players.

Also i already am in a guild and as you know even making a post on gw2lfg it can take several min to fill up your party and the entire Europe/American population can see your post meaning thousands of players. Where even most guilds barely have a hundred players. Also there is a certain percentage of guild wars players that might not want to join a guild, so are we supposed to tell them to just fend for themselves and deal with their own problems ?

I’m pretty sure this has come up before but i cant find any similar posts in the search. I’m getting pretty irritated since it must have been thethird or fourth time this week i have been scammed out of a dungeon. By this statement i mean that i join a party or group and we do the dungeon say p1 or p2 to the very end and when the boss is about halfway dead you get kicked from your of the party, losing the reward.

Now sometimes this happens and the player(me) gets replaced or it might have been because of an argument. But the point is i find it impossible to do something about it. Generally these people simply have one friend in the party and it takes 1 to vote kick and 1 to accept then your out. You cant join again since either the party is full or your being declined. Neither can you then report the player for scamming or any other offence if you so wished because your now out of the party, your party chat is gone meaning there is no name that you can pick, and furthermore you don’t have a clue who kicked you since there is no message that lets you know.

I find it pretty stupid that we cant stop this from happening. Every time this happens its time you wasted. If i’m doing a dungeon for the tokens and i get kicked to be replaced by a new fellow that gets a free dungeon reward i find it quite irritating. Which means not only did you waste the last 30-45 min of your time you have to waste it again to get the reward that you previously wanted.

Isn’t there a way that this could be dealt with by arena net. Such as supplying you with a message saying you were kicked by “Player” or even a place to complain or maybe increase the amount of votes you need to kick a player from a party. I mean if the party has 5 players and 2 people can kick anyone whats the point of even voting on it ?

I don’t know if anything has been said about this but i would greatly appreciate any thoughts or even links to other posts if i missed something. Also if there is something i should have done please let me know.