Guild Wars 2

So around a year ago we went to Comic Con in Brisbane (Australia) and there were a number of stars there (voice of Squidward, Orlando Bloom, Jason Momoa etc.) and so it was quite a big affair for us. I met Jason Momoa and Orlando Bloom which I was entirely star studded by but we also had seen that Paul Eiding was there this year. When we found out I had no idea who he was, I had never played Metal Gear Solid (He is the Colonel) and my knowledge of who voiced people in the original guild wars was limited (He was Jalis Ironhammer).

We were expecting to see a massive line of people asking him to do the normal schtick of “SNAKE!!!” but when we went to see him there was no line, everyone was too busy getting the voice of Squidward to sign things. So we had an amazing opportunity with walking right up to him.

With what we had seen all day we were expecting him to usher us on quickly and be interested in us but only for a short time, what we got was the complete opposite. When we went to meet him he introduced himself and asked our names (which up until then none of the stars had asked for that, you give their manager that or write it on a piece of paper) and asked how we were doing. So at this stage we’re entirely surprised at being able to meet this very lovely, very normal guy who was actually interested in talking to us. We spent probably the next 20 mins just chatting about the roles we loved him in, we ended up getting him to sign some things and I asked him to voice a quote for me while I taped it (which he happily obliged).

“You may win the battle, dragon, but you will never defeat our spirit!”

Overall of the people I met at Comic Con he was the most enjoyable, not because I had stars in my eyes or because I was over hyped about it (like I was with OB) but because he took the time to get to know us a little, which I think is really rare nowadays. I love hearing stories about people meeting stars and just having really normal experiences or where the stars are actually happy to see them, not exasperated by their existence.

So Thanks Paul Eiding, for being such a lovely, wonderful human being who actually took the time to talk to us!

~Byte

Daddar.5971:

I am ecstatic, and I was one of the biggest ‘whiners’. When this news hit, I immediately purchased the Ultimate Edition. It was never about the money for me. I feel like A-net and I can be friends again.

Yep, was very hard to miss my voice earlier this week. I am sated and happy with this change.

Thank you A-net for understanding that this is not a “them vs us” debate and coming to the table. I am hugely appreciative of the character slot upgrade to the HoT pre-purchase that you are willing to give us. I will be pre-purchasing the ultimate edition this evening.

Thank you again for understanding your community’s concern’s, a lot of us are very happy with this change <3

Zypher.7609:

Byter.9051:

Zypher.7609:

What makes this all so funny, is Bungie is doing the same thing with Destiny expansion coming out in September. Offering the base game as part of the expansion package. And do you know what those forums are all up in crazy as well. They are offering the base game for free to new people. If they did not offer it for free, the new people would have to pay 50$ for the expansion and another 10-20$ for the base game. If you even try to utter the words “BUT BUT BUT i had to pay twice”. Then you are a spoiled adult/child and need to grow up. Having new people join the game is always a good thing, just because they paid less than you does not make them any worse a person. GET OVER YOURSELF.

We don’t care that they don’t get it for free (or at least I don’t) I care that I have to pay $10 more because I do not get my “free” copy of the game, are you seriously trying to defend them making their vets get absolutely nothing out of this despite the fact that if it were not for us, there would be no expac, or game, or new players because there would have been no one spending money on it for the last 3 years…

Yup you are spoiled, let the new players have a free copy of the game. I have enjoyed the last 3 years of playing, and already purchased the Ultimate version.

You know what, I’d rather be spoiled than ripped off or stupid so yeah, call me spoiled. That does not change the fact that this whole situation is entirely unnecessary and unfair to players who have been playing for the past 3 years, also, you may have $100 to spend on a game that is unfinished and is wanting you pay more for less but I personally am not in a position to justify that, so, I will not be playing HoT with the vast majority of vet’s, this game will continue to decline in playerbase and eventually it will die all together. Meh, enjoy your $100 of “free” stuff.

Zypher.7609:

What makes this all so funny, is Bungie is doing the same thing with Destiny expansion coming out in September. Offering the base game as part of the expansion package. And do you know what those forums are all up in crazy as well. They are offering the base game for free to new people. If they did not offer it for free, the new people would have to pay 50$ for the expansion and another 10-20$ for the base game. If you even try to utter the words “BUT BUT BUT i had to pay twice”. Then you are a spoiled adult/child and need to grow up. Having new people join the game is always a good thing, just because they paid less than you does not make them any worse a person. GET OVER YOURSELF.

We don’t care that they don’t get it for free (or at least I don’t) I care that I have to pay $10 more because I do not get my “free” copy of the game, are you seriously trying to defend them making their vets get absolutely nothing out of this despite the fact that if it were not for us, there would be no expac, or game, or new players because there would have been no one spending money on it for the last 3 years…

Batelle.1680:

Gray.9041:

I literally get less for my money as an existing player than a new player would get for the same money. how is that not discriminating?

if I could get both, then it wouldn’t be. but I don’t. I only get the Expansion, while a new player gets both.

It’s because you already have the game and the version of the game you have is now obsolete. You have played it and enjoyed it (probably) for months if not years. Do you freak out about consignment stores? Consoles bundled with free games? Paperbacks? Movie series that are packaged together for less than it would cost to buy each one separately? If you bought the game at launch, you were an early adopter and early adopters almost always pay more for the privilege of having the thing first (“early adopter tax”).

Seriously- I totally get not wanting to pre-purchase until Anet gives us more information, and the lack of character slot is shady, but I’m starting to wonder if there’s a huge population of people who have never participated in capitalism before. Stuff like this is literally an every day occurrence.

Your point about consoles bundled with free games is moot because you can trade those free games back to the store for cash or store credit, our “free version of the game” gets blasted into oblivion, we get no serial code, no nothing, we just get HoT so we effectively pay $10 more than new players.

Zypher.7609:

60$ is the normal price for expansions, i do not understand why everyone is kittening about them including the base game? This is what happens when you want expansions, just think we could have had all these updates for free. GG internet cryers.

The issue is that:

1. This expac does not have enough content to be considered a stand-alone game (which most expacs do)
2. The players who have the game do not actually recieve their “free” copy of the game.
3. I would not care if the game was 60& but included half the things that most WoW standard expacs include.
4. As a vet player we are literally getting nothing except a wasted $10 that we don’t even get the serial code for (thus we cannot give it to friends and family).

oh and 5. The expac is not actually finished meaning they’re asking us to be like “ok have $50 of my money (actually $65 of my money)” to their response of “we might release more than what we’ve said we will but lol idk”

upsdn.5426:

Cameron.2315:

the funny thing is you don’t get the extra copy of the game

Lol. I guess in a way that is funny. “Here’s this product bundle—you get the original plus this other bit!” “Okay, but where’s the original?” “You already had one of those, so we’ll just keep it.”

Oh okay, thanks for just not giving us what’s in the product description. Juxtaposing this with the FAQ edit, it’s obvious how slimy the people in charge have become.

My advice: get out now, before you sink money into the expansion and fall victim to the sunk cost fallacy. (And for those of you who feel you’ve already spent too much on the game to quit at this point: you still can, really. You just have to recognize that any further investment in this product—a product created and marketed in bad faith—is more harmful than quitting now, “while you’re ahead.”

That is to say, you gain nothing by quitting. But you don’t lose as much as you would by continuing to play.

OMG are you serious! Isn’t that against the law in most countries? I did not even know this, I am most definitely not buying this expac, kitten that.

I hope this is not against forum rules but this puts my feelings into words regarding this:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Some-simple-math-for-why-we-re-so-angry

Larynx.2453:

Byter.9051:

Larynx.2453:

“(and was a very toxic response to this) "

apparently stating objective facts in a neutral tone is toxic if you disagree with them.

The toxicity comes from the situation and the lack of empathy from a “Customer service” representitive that they employ to keep their customers happy. After having worked in CS my entire life, I can tell you that this is a very toxic response.

Probably has to do with the hundreds of idiots spamming their reps since the HoT announcement. You should be thankful they even responded in a timely manner. If they actually cared to give a detailed, empathetic and personalized reply, you’d just be complaining that ArenaNet don’t respond to your tickets.

That is quite an assumption there, I would rather wait for a decent customer service rep to respond and explain the situation and if they actually went and explained it then posts like these would not exist, but its cool, don’t focus on the content of the post, focus on my opinion.

Larynx.2453:

“(and was a very toxic response to this) "

apparently stating objective facts in a neutral tone is toxic if you disagree with them.

The toxicity comes from the situation and the lack of empathy from a “Customer service” representitive that they employ to keep their customers happy. After having worked in CS my entire life, I can tell you that this is a very toxic response.

Hi guys,

Because we weren’t getting any real responses on the forums regarding HoT expac having the original game included (and the standard edition being ridiculously high in price) I decided to contact support to find out what their stance on it is so here is the reply I received:

Lance (Guild Wars 2 Support)

Jun 16, 20:19

Hello,

The Standard Edition of the Heart of Thorns Expansion comes with a free Guild Wars 2 Core game for those who do not already own Guild Wars 2. There will not be an available expansion version released that does not include the Core game for a lower price.

Regards,

Lance
Guild Wars 2 Support Team
http://help.guildwars2.com/

This feels rather final (and was a very toxic response to this) personally I think my decision not to purchase HoT will stand, I understand that there has been a lot of “Free” content (which is really not free since they are making money off selling the LS releases to new players and the original LS is not something that can be replayed) but $50 is rather overpriced with the released information. This is unlikely to change given the past with Gw2 Devs ability to listen to their players.

In short, I like many will not be pre-purchasing and it is unlikely that I will be buying HoT at all if I have to have an extra copy of the game (being that all my friends have the game and my family does not game lel so it is literally a paperweight) but yo, GW2 not really surprising me at this stage Thumbsup

~Byte

Also can we be told BEFORE a map get MS’d because like 20 mins before Teq today Sparkfly got MS’d and it made it really confusing…. People that were in main before the ninja couldn’t get reinforcements.

Also can we be told BEFORE a map get MS’d because like 20 mins before Teq today Sparkfly got MS’d and it made it really confusing…. People that were in main before the ninja couldn’t get reinforcements.

not sure if its a bug, its probably not but our member still had to guest over to our server to get commendations tonight at guild missions. when they guested they got thrown into different maps to everyone else and it took us forever to get them into the correct map.

Dusty Moon.4382:

Byter.9051:

Ok, right up I’m going to be honest. I only read the first 2 pages of comments and the last page.

There is so much bickering about this for one way or the other so here’s a few facts people should remember about the game before arguing either point.

1. Most medieval games have mounts. This game is not a medieval type game. This game is a fantasy alternate universe RPG, if you are talking times when people rode around on horses and hit each other with swords then you also have to remember the engineer class in this game and the Asura. Asura are a technologically advanced race that would almost definitely be more advanced than any race currently existing in any medieval book and Engi’s use flamethrowers, flamethrowers were not used in a way similar to how Engi’s use them until the late 1800’s on when they found a viable way of storing the energy to propel fire in a controlled way. Before that it was more of a short burst of flame followed by a long and very dangerous reload.

2. Mounts are bad/good for immersion. Mounts for SOME people would ruin the ability to see the huge scope of the game and would make it smaller however for some there would be more immersion and would make them more interested in getting from point A to point B. The existence of the auto run “R” means that while running a lot of people will just “R” and then look away, its inevitable. I’m not saying the “R” button should be removed or that mounts should be introduced, but for some people mounts are a big thing and either way you do have a chunk of people who would just use “R” to get everywhere and not pay attention.
Other side: Having mounts in game for other people creates an unnecessary character model in the already under optimised game. Can you imagine loading in all of gendarran fields main and then everyone’s mount. For people with lower end computers they would have to turn their settings down and this would also cause a loss in immersion. This game needs optimisation before any more character models are introduced, and that is an opinion I think we can all agree with.

3. NPC’s did it, why can’t we? NPC elementalist’s in Orr hit you with 3 water auto attacks and mages hit your entire party with water spurts. Just because NPC’s can do it does not mean that players can (or should).

4. There were no mounts in GW1, we shouldn’t have them in GW2. GW1 had 2 mounts (that I can think of). One was a siege devourer and yes I used that just to laugh because it was abysmally slow and ridiculously huge (apparently you could make it faster though) and it was a mobile siege mount for those that don’t count it as a mount. Also there was a story quest in the desolation that unlocks Wurms to use for movement in the desolation and they were most definitely mounts.

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Your arguments are invalid and you yourself invalidated them. I will explain.

1. This is NOT a medieval game. If it was, we wouldn’t have Sylvari, Asura, Charr and Norn.

2. In games with portals most only have 3-5 (like Rift) in an area NOT 15. Also with the speed boons many professions have, mounts would be replicating what we can already do. Since mounts have never really been developed for GW universe except for specific areas (I will use your Devourer as an example). You really can’t take the devourer out of that that area – so it is a situational mount not a universal mount. NOT THE SAME.

3. MOBS share common skills with players, hence if MOBS had them then we might. That is a valid argument. In many games, MOBS and bosses do not have the same skills that players do (in GW1 many MOBS and bosses had monster skills) but the rest were exactly the same skills as you or I had.

4. I addressed in point 2 but will expound on further. You cannot use that wurm, in the desolation BEYOND that zone. It is a situational mount., not a universal mount (and you want universal mounts). The reason the WURM is there is because the area is poisonous to HUMANS and in order to follow Palawa Joko, you have to become a WURM to travel underground. That is situational. When you get to Rocky areas, you are forced to unmount. This is opposite of a ‘Universal’ Mount, which you can ride anywhere – this is more like a tool and when the tool is done you don’t use it any more (like the tools you get to put together Ikea furniture – not useful after putting together the furniture).

You know how you just “invalidated” my topics? yeah you only read the first line of all of them didn’t you. The first line was topic sentence, the rest was information |facepalm| also this applies to all my points, I’m not going to quote your posts twice as its pointless.

You didn’t “disprove” anything, you actually made my points stronger. I am against mounts, simple as that but at least I read before posting lol.

5. Mounts would make waypoints unnecessary. I have to say nyeah to this, yes some people would use mounts to go everywhere however I would say that for the most part (mount or no) people would still prefer waypoints for long distances which is where the gold sink is. I don’t see people running across from gendarran fields to Blazeridge steppes for Shatterer when they can waypoint to it.

6. Mounts could be a gem store cosmetic item. WoW has them! I can see where the delight would come to players buying mounts off the trading post, converting gold into gems for some ridiculous 8k price (or more) or opening up the wallet and seeing the butterflies come out after you sank your last $35 on a cool set of armor skins they bought out. Lets take a very common example WoW, WoW has mounts that are available through a range of means, that’s excellent and for WoW it works really well. However with the current structure of the Gem store this would just not work, mounts would be something that would (most likely) be expensive, taking apart the current 2 mounts available on there (which are viable mounts in themselves) adding a mount that was a horse or something I feel would be something that they WOULD NOT want flooded through the market. This means it will be expensive and with the current process where Arena net caps your monthly spending that would not work. Now that is speculation but given how things go in GW2 CURRENTLY, it is a very valid speculation.

7. Mounts would be unnecessary bling. This is part true and part untrue, For some, mounts would be a bragging right (assuming that they were even difficult to get as my previous point states) however if you think about it there are a lot of people who RP on this game, the addition of mounts would add another facet to that particular avenue of this game. Guild wars is an Expansive and a (granted not as much as GW1) very immerse game. It is not so weird that people want to RP and mounts would have a use there. It is an unintended item with an unintended use to them.

8. Adding mounts would change/make the economy crash. This is assuming that the economy had anything to do with how mounts are acquired. GEM to GOLD and GOLD to GEM are determined by the DEV’s, not by players. The addition of mounts to the gem store that are untradeable would not change the economy in the slightest as players do not decide any of these avenues of acquisition.
Mounts will not be added as dungeon rewards or in game rewards (this has been stated by dev’s before) but here’s that argument anyways, this addition would change the economy only if we assume 2 things
1: the mounts are tradeable
2: The mounts are achieved by getting items that are tradeable.
This means people would be buying/selling mounts or the means of getting the mounts and this would in fact crash the economy as we know it*.

That’s most of the arguments that come up every time this is discussed. Please feel free to call me a god or pick apart my argument to use certain parts to prove/disprove points. Most of the meaning will be lost anyways.

My opinion: I do not think that mounts that give any boosts should be added to the game as I feel that would make people slightly lazier than they already are. I do like how they implemented the riding broom and the sonic diggy thingy, I wouldn’t mind more things like this. Toys are fun.

TL;DR you are talking about a game that has many facets, when arguing please research before you make statements.

Ok, right up I’m going to be honest. I only read the first 2 pages of comments and the last page.

There is so much bickering about this for one way or the other so here’s a few facts people should remember about the game before arguing either point.

1. Most medieval games have mounts. This game is not a medieval type game. This game is a fantasy alternate universe RPG, if you are talking times when people rode around on horses and hit each other with swords then you also have to remember the engineer class in this game and the Asura. Asura are a technologically advanced race that would almost definitely be more advanced than any race currently existing in any medieval book and Engi’s use flamethrowers, flamethrowers were not used in a way similar to how Engi’s use them until the late 1800’s on when they found a viable way of storing the energy to propel fire in a controlled way. Before that it was more of a short burst of flame followed by a long and very dangerous reload.

2. Mounts are bad/good for immersion. Mounts for SOME people would ruin the ability to see the huge scope of the game and would make it smaller however for some there would be more immersion and would make them more interested in getting from point A to point B. The existence of the auto run “R” means that while running a lot of people will just “R” and then look away, its inevitable. I’m not saying the “R” button should be removed or that mounts should be introduced, but for some people mounts are a big thing and either way you do have a chunk of people who would just use “R” to get everywhere and not pay attention.
Other side: Having mounts in game for other people creates an unnecessary character model in the already under optimised game. Can you imagine loading in all of gendarran fields main and then everyone’s mount. For people with lower end computers they would have to turn their settings down and this would also cause a loss in immersion. This game needs optimisation before any more character models are introduced, and that is an opinion I think we can all agree with.

3. NPC’s did it, why can’t we? NPC elementalist’s in Orr hit you with 3 water auto attacks and mages hit your entire party with water spurts. Just because NPC’s can do it does not mean that players can (or should).

4. There were no mounts in GW1, we shouldn’t have them in GW2. GW1 had 2 mounts (that I can think of). One was a siege devourer and yes I used that just to laugh because it was abysmally slow and ridiculously huge (apparently you could make it faster though) and it was a mobile siege mount for those that don’t count it as a mount. Also there was a story quest in the desolation that unlocks Wurms to use for movement in the desolation and they were most definitely mounts.

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That whole section excluding the top line was a pure copy paste (ofc removing the stuff that would give people access to my account =p) but the only thing removed in that line was my email address.

I recieved this email today, its not a real email and it sends you to a .co.va website so beware:

Greetings!

It has come to our attention that your Guild Wars 2 account [EMAIL REDACTED] for engaging in or assisting wiht gold or item sales for real-world money, If this proves to be true, your account can and will be disabled.

It will be ongoing for further investigation by ArenaNet Entertainment’s employees. If you wish to not get your account suspended you should immediately verify your account ownership.

You can confirm that you are the original owner of the account to this secure website with:
[rediculously long website address]

We will investigate into this case through verifying the account’s ownership. If the verification goes through, we will cancel any restriction. If you ignore this mail your account can and will be closed permanently.

Thank you for your understanding in this matter and respecting our position and all statutes within the Guild Wars 2 Terms of Use.

Regards,
Kenrich
Guild Wars 2 Support Team