Guild Wars 2

Rising Dusk its clear to anyone reading this you’ve been lucky… Probably a couple great swords, daggers, maybe an ax or 2. Clearly you feel rng is rng and you hope it remains that way, only time will tell if they plan to address this or not. Truth be told there probably are bigger fish to fry but a lot of people run fractals and nothing more, they unlike you have had horribly bad rng and want an alternate means to obtain these. Nobody is asking for them to be delivered on a silver platter.

My logic its simple, most parties are using the 99% which is the same exploit Anet is referring to… I’m sorry that’s too hard of a concept for you to grasp.

randomfightfan.4091:

Chauntry.1635:

The way they’ve handled this entire zone is really a joke. Their official response is that they didn’t intend for players to advance beyond a certain cap. Yet here we are still cheesing jade at level 48. Wasn’t that same exploit the same issue being referred to? I don’t know I really don’t get it. Maybe they want people buying revive orbs who screw up?

can survive maw at 48 now. Could have done it at 35 ar on thief (with a water field and help), guard (tome and help), or necro before they buffed agony and 40 ar after the buff. Any class can survive it with 45 ar.

Still is complete bs that they made it so that the players who actually were good enough to 50s+ get blocked due to the lack of creative design for a final boss in the fractals. It’s obvious that they wasted all their creativity and good design choices on the rest of the dungeon and even then, only at the lower lvls. Dredge cart and water krait… if I wanted to spend 20 mins killing trash I’d be killing things in open world pve.

Right so as I said, cheesing it. I did it with a guardian who had 45at and he didn’t live through it. Whether he should have or not is irrelevant. Nice end game content if that’s how its classified.

The way they’ve handled this entire zone is really a joke. Their official response is that they didn’t intend for players to advance beyond a certain cap. Yet here we are still cheesing jade at level 48. Wasn’t that same exploit the same issue being referred to? I don’t know I really don’t get it. Maybe they want people buying revive orbs who screw up?

Unfortunately this isn’t that rare and I’ve had it happen 3 other times that I can remember but no material loss in those cases. Common sense has nothing to do with it, to my knowledge this only effected people in dungeons so I’d assume someone exploited something. We all know most of these dungeons have more holes in them than a block of Swiss cheese. Once again, thank you for the brilliant insight.

NickDollahZ.5348:

4 months or so still looking for fractal rifle skin… RNG is the best.

Weird the next Fractal I did dropped a Shield skin and a Forgiveness Dye. Scary Coincidence.

Who said a little belly aching wouldn’t get you far?

Thank you for the brilliant insight.

Not even an obligatory… gee wiz, sure sorry that happened, we work to limit these types of issues.

You could have humored me and acted like someone actually cares that this issue keeps happening in game. I’ve had the server rolled back multiple times but didn’t lose anything material because of it.

Out of curiousity, in the event I do have something more material than a 7g drop from an instance, should I wait around an hour after it happens in game before I zone out? or does it just roll back to pre dungeon?

Sorry man, unforunately this type of thing seems all too common.

Beserkers Amulet – 7g drop…

No use crying over spilled milk I guess… pretty weak though I must say.

Wow, thanks for rolling the server back. I finally get an exotic amulet to drop and the server gets rolled back. That’s pretty lousy… I guess if someone had something more significant – precursor? they’d be seeing red.

I assume there’s no way to recover this item?

Because I said I would.

Can’t the same be said for any dungeon? Why should these different rules apply?

Fair enough – I suppose you also like watching paint dry. But, I digress and don’t want to derail my own thread. I’m glad you’ve been lucky and as I said in my original post – good for you and your luck I hope it continues.

You finding them challenging is a bit of a surprise to me if you’ve ran 100 level 48’s as you say.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Chauntry.1635:

Thank you for helping me make my point, which is to say, you’ve been rewarded for running the instance and I, along with many others have run the same content as you and have not. You think rng is working as intended because you’re getting skins as you said. I’m on the other side of the fence.

The RNG is working whether you get skins or not; that’s the point. The only reason you think it doesn’t is because you’re sour that you haven’t gotten anything. That’s the nature of RNG. Just because I haven’t looted a precursor doesn’t mean I feel that I should loot a precursor. I keep doing high end chests for the chance of it and because I enjoy the events in moderation, not with the expectation of getting something fancy out of it. That’s the difference in playstyle, and that’s what really matters. Don’t expect a skin, play what you want because you enjoy it, and if you get a skin, it’s awesome.

If you don’t enjoy Fractals, don’t play Fractals. It’s really that simple; the skins aren’t good enough to justify doing something you don’t enjoy. If you enjoy the challenge, like me, do a few hundred runs and you, too, will get skins. Seriously, I’ve done so many runs that my getting skins is virtually inevitable; the chances are not so bad, and if you play that many runs, you too will get them.

I don’t enjoy fractals – many in my shoes don’t. I’ve had the 500/500 achievement now for a good 2 months. I’ll tell you what I’ll do – when I get home I’ll screenshot my bank showing over 110 pristine, 40+ Mists essence and an entire bank slot+ full of rings – then we can talk about RNG working as intended. You’re right though, I am sour – you nailed that one.

Thank you for helping me make my point, which is to say, you’ve been rewarded for running the instance and I, along with many others have run the same content as you and have not. You think rng is working as intended because you’re getting skins as you said. I’m on the other side of the fence.

They most certainly aren’t dropping every 3Rd run for me… Or the majority of people i run with. I’m glad the rng gods smile upon you.

The same reason I’m sitting on all my laurels…

Count me in for this. Zerk warrior – full CoE gear on 3 toons so I’m familiar with the zone. I’ve actually been looking for a group to do this with for quite sometime. Add me in game.

There’s just no rhyme or reason to the current system. I feel like players who have legitimately put in massive amounts of time and effort are punished for it. This is not working as intended, I’ll go so far as to say this system is the most unfair way of awarding players as imaginable… Honestly I really don’t understand why such a system was implemented.

Just as an update:

I ran fotm 22 yesterday because it was a daily. First time running a 20’s in forever, anyway, no I didn’t get a skin but a guy who’d only done a daily 20’s twice got the dagger a weapon I’ve been after for my D/D Ele. Ridiculous the way the RNG is set up here. It’s just not right.

Me too – Jade Quarry.

Well I’m pretty well done with fractals since writing this… Pretty much done with the game too. Not really because of this just the fact that end game content doesn’t exist. If fotm is end game then I’ll be a monkeys uncle.

Character: Chauntry
Server: Jade Quarry
Class: Mesmer, warrior, guardian
Extensive experience paths 1,2,3
Playtime: week nights and weekends

I have an issue with the fractal skin drop rate and the means of acquiring them. It’s just flat out unacceptable and the only logic I can come up with is that I’m bugged. I exclusively run 48 and haven’t touched anything in the 20’s for over 2 months. I will occasionally run a 38 if I’m having a hard time finding a 40’s group. I have 103 pristine relics.

Here’s what I have to show for it:

2 warhorns, 1 shield, 1 scepter and 1 harpoon gun. Countless rings.

I don’t like coming on the forums and QQ’ing about things, I really don’t. But I’m starting to reach my breaking point here. The simple solution would be to just stop going after these elusive skins and except that it just isn’t meant to be. Unfortunately my brain isn’t wired that way. A friend of mine summed it up pretty well that once you reach 80 it’s basically about Barbie Dolls. You want to look a certain way. Exotics are trivial – in most cases people hit level 80 and they have full exotics due to saving up Karma or dungeon tokens. I really don’t want to make the skins trivial – I understand they can’t drop every run and I don’t expect that.

Solution #1:

Allow players to purchase the skins. Make it a lofty price. Say 50 Pristine and 10 Shards of Mist. Something – a light at the end of the tunnel if you will. There needs to be a way for players who have done this dungeon in earnest and put countless hours into trying to acquire these skins an alternate means to do so. I don’t want to say “Gwah gwah – this isn’t fair he got the skin he wanted on his 2nd run… rabble rabble… woe is me… rabble rabble.” But that’s kind of where I’m going here – RNG is one thing but this doesn’t feel very random to me.

Solution #2

Increase the drop rate for someone with the 500/500 achievement. Or as they go up the ladder of completion. (personally I’m not a huge fan of this).

Solution #3

Take the RNG out of the equation and after running X number of dailies give them a random skin.

For those of you who have multiple skins – congratulations on your luck.

For those of you in my shoes – I fell sorry for you. I really due. This dungeon stopped being enjoyable long ago and has reached the level of grind I didn’t think was possible.

For Arena Net – I realize we’re still in early stages. Please address this issue before you really start alienating your player base.

/flame on

If they’re trying to accelerate the rate at which players burn out of the game – then they’ve perfected a couple of these Fractals. Honestly, Cliffside can be done fairly quickly- if you make a mistake you pay for it which is fine… but regardless of how efficient you are at Dredge you’re at the mercy of the 1000’s of pointless Dredge that spawn and spawn and spawn from the back of some Dredge Bus? Then, said “Dredge Bus” magically drives through a wall where – yep you guessed it- probably more Dredge. Or Ice Elementals? What? What’s that all about? They apparently killed the Dredge?

To be fair, the boss mechanic is actually quite good – it’s just that by the time you get there you just want it to end.

I would just like to see some time consistency with these instances. You could get Water, Swamp and Ascalon and be done in literally an hour… or on the other hand you can get Dredge, Cliffside and Asura and there goes the next 2 1/2 hours.

If you don’t have an issue with Dredge then you haven’t been doing FOTM for very long. My group running 48 got this the other day and I got a sick to my stomach feeling and literally just wanted to log off and do something else. No that it’s hard – it isn’t. It’s just an experience of mind numbing monotony. Seriously this has got to be one of the cheapest encounters in the game. Wave after mindless wave of dredge – I honestly wonder what the point of it is.

And then, you’re not even done after spending X amount of time getting there. We had 1 person leave group because he didn’t have an hour to spend on this. I was feeling the same way. In this case I had actually got off work early and was looking forward to knocking out my daily somewhat early and hoping I could do something else after completing.

I realize I have nobody to blame but myself because I know the length of time it requires to complete this one but I was hoping for a quick run. On top of that I of course didn’t get a skin.

Anet please do something about this instance. Remove the dredge after the door… just have it go bye bye. This is just too bloody long and really it’s starting to ruin my love for the game.

Title says’ it all. I need 30 more for achievement of 500 fractals and I’ve got a single warhorn – one of the weapons I can’t use on my Guardian, Elemental or Mesmer.

I only run 30 fractals and stopped running in 20’s. My Elemental is on 34 and my Mesmer 38.

I talk to people who have had upward of 7 weapons drop and they’ve completed less than half of what I have. This isn’t meant to be a QQ but this is just getting to the point of silly. It really is disheartening and I suppose I should just stop running it and come to the realization that I’m either A) Extremely Unlucky or ??? (Fill in the Blank)

I used to run the 20 daily as well as 30 – one experience I had a player new to 20’s get the great sword but thought it was stupid it had no stats…

Chauntry