Guild Wars 2

I’m amazed this has been given so much credence. A throw away joke comment is the proof.. really?

Every server must have been in the situation where it seems both the other servers are targetting them & only them.. the reality is almost always different. It’s simply opportunism when it does happen, a commander maybe seeing a local advantage is to be got and making the most of it. But it’s not policy. AG & Gandara teaming up as part of some Machiavellian master plan is simply not true. In fact I would say that AG, if anything, went for Gandara, we had hopes of winning this match up, but they proved to be too strong for us this week. Cést la vie.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

I actually think 99% is a generous number. I’ve run with way more than 100 pug rangers and:

1) I’ve never seen a single one use sword.
2) ONE used a greatsword but he had a bear pet.
3) ONE used Spotter but he was at LB range.
4) A few use drakes and canines but I never see felines or moas.
5) ONE used Frost Spirit but only after I told him to swap Sun Spirit for it.

Which means I can literally say I’ve never seen a ranger with a proper spec, and I’m being lenient insofar as the only thing I’m looking for is:

1) Sword or greatsword.
2) Feline or moa pet.
3) Spotter and Frost Spirit.

That’s like if you’d been playing this game for over a year and you never once saw a single axe or GS warrior using banners and Empower Allies. You’d think warriors were crap too.

Kinda interesting that your experience is so very different to mine, don’t know what server you play on or what content you are doing, but grouping with over a hundred players who are all clueless sounds like one hell of a losing streak. Me, I mostly WvW (actually exclusively these days) & what I see is a bit different. For instance swords & great swords are not at all unusual, alongside bows. Felines, dogs, drakes, wolves, spiders probably outnumber bears. Moas I don’t see so much despite the heals/buffs, they can bring. Maybe people reckon they don’t bring enough to make the difference & for larger group fights I’d have to agree. No pet is a whole lot of use against a zerg. Spirits almost never used, for similar reasons, though I have seen a few. Spotter, though I couldn’t honestly say it’s commonplace isn’t that unusual either. You also see plenty of roamers, bunker/regen builds, condi/trap builds, glass builds are generally frowned upon.

I would grant that the much disliked (so it seems) bear/bow Ranger does exist, in large numbers too, but virtually all? No way. Maybe dungeons are a bit different, possibly more frequented by the more casual/inexperienced player just after some nice loot? (you mentioned 100+ “pugs”. in other games I’ve played thats always been çonsidered asking for failure). I’m only guessing, I have no real idea abt GW2 dungeons as I don’t do them.

My point is, in the area of the game I spend the most time, I do see plenty of people trying to make something of this class, there are good Rangers out there. Maybe not the majority, but we are not 99% garbage. Whether the class itself is any good is another thing, and probably what we should be discussing.

Chopps.5047:

DaveG.4253:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Rangers themselves are good, objectively speaking. It’s just that 99% of rangers are garbage and do literally everything wrong, so no one wants to take their chances with them.

One of the dumbest comments I’ve seen. Why would Ranger players be worse than those that play any other class, on average? Most play multiple classes anyway. Bad players are bad, good players are good, irrespective of class.

Guanglai is correct. Ranger has very few viable builds. If you build wrong you stand zero chance. Other professions are more forgiving. This makes most rangers just awful in practice.

Sorry can’t agree. Or let me clarify – I agree with what you say about Rangers and builds. It does take a bit of work to make a decent one, even before you factor in peoples individual skill (or lack of it). For sure a bad player, playing what is generally perceived as a somewhat lacklustre class, without thought, will surely be a liability. Fair enough, you at least make an argument in support of your view.

But a blanket statement that Rangers are actually good but 99% of us (obviously not Guanglai himself) are garbage is just stunningly arrogant. Think about it.. for some reason 99 out of 100 people who are attracted to this class (but not other classes apparently) are just too stupid to think about their builds? Really?

If other professions are more forgiving of less than perfection, then that probably says more about class design than the player.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Rangers themselves are good, objectively speaking. It’s just that 99% of rangers are garbage and do literally everything wrong, so no one wants to take their chances with them.

One of the dumbest comments I’ve seen. Why would Ranger players be worse than those that play any other class, on average? Most play multiple classes anyway. Bad players are bad, good players are good, irrespective of class.

If you get skill lag from 40 it’s time to pick up a new computer/internet connection or turn down the graphics. Skill lag only begins when 3 big groups are fighting each other, and I’m talking 60-70+ on each side.

Not many queues on AG except on Eternal Battlegrounds which by design is a blobfest.

This really ^^

It’s kinda predictable that the server that is outnumbered uses the same tired old excuse (and yes some ppl on AG use it too), somehow inferring that they actually have more skill than the servers ranked higher than them, if only they could use it. Better still are the ones (not in this thread btw) that post screenies of a zerg resupplying & represent it as a typical “camp capping team” of 40+ . It’s all total rubbish, we are just playing the game to the best of our abilities and the way it’s designed. This week we have more numbers. Sorry!

I know it sucks to be outnumbered, we’ve been on the receiving end plenty of times, but what are we supposed to do… stop playing? We don’t make the matchups.

At least from AG you will by & large (there are always some exceptions unfortunately) be fighting a server that will always meet you in the open field, try not to blob to extreme lengths & will have some respect for your position.

What we will not do is stop fighting you as hard as we can.