Yes revert the changes back pls
it was super!
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They make the rules, and usually the avarage player can’t join to the fun.
Really?
I joined a guild like that and as an average player after joining I did multiple Teq runs with them without a hitch.You are excluding yourself.
Equal chances, equal footing, equal distribution of content types.
How can you give equal chances to a guy who played 100 hours vs a guy who’s played 1000.
How can content be equal for the both of them?
You are bit off out of context.
First of all, i didn’t say anything about teq being exclusive, teq is serving her purpose as a world boss. hes in a sweet spot, even at her current state.
Let me explain it: World Bosses are supposed to be the content that can be accesed by anyone anytime. The bigger bosses, like teq and TT too, but in a higher difficulty level. So… why do i have to leave my guild, those mates i have, just to be eligible to a World Boss what supposed to be accessed by everyone? isn’t it stupid? Guilds can do their own TT anytime anywhere, yep.(and sadly mine is not oriented exactly that way thats an another story) But do you know what is more outregous? that these Forced instances, jumping people.. Completely going at the backdoor, ruining the whole concept. You can say anything like: but thos peeps ruining the run if we let them pug it.. .and such discrimination… yes its frustrating to fail, but more frustrating to those players who can’t even try it
The second part: why not we separate them by their political view. lol
I’m talking about equal chances if he want to, ha can, if he not, then don’t. thats an another part what a newbie can do in a challangeing enviroment, and a veteran. Don’t mix these things. Why should we discriminate someone, just because he have lesser game experience? he wants to play too, get better too…just like the one did who have 1k hour. It’s wrong to discriminate him cuz her lack of time to play. there are thousand of factors to that.
But even then. Hours as measure is not justifiable.
i’m just guessing but the majority of people who against challenging content just against instanced, privatized content
that is what most people refuse to understand. first of all, no matter how difficult the content is, it does not exclude you, you exclude yourself by choosing to not play it.
guilds dont exclude you, you exclude yourself by choosing to not play with like minded individuals or make your own guild.secondly, not every piece of content needs to be made for everyone. 100% of this game is made for players like you. whats so bad about giving above average players a little bit of content specifically made for them?
Then let me express myself a little better.
First of all, it does. Sadly its excludes. Not the content its self, nor the challange, but the ppl who put the energy and effort to organize it, Doesn’t mattter if its a guild, multiple guild, or anything. They make the rules, and usually the avarage player can’t join to the fun. You can now say that hes not that type, you not that type, neither if its true or not. why? Because you and he wants to complete it, dominate it, do it.. and to that you need your buddies, guild mates, players who you can rely, whos in you circle of trust. Thats not a probleme ,thats just the way people thinks, and behave. But in a long run ,thats what exactly excludes people.
I’m not against it, i’m against the instanced challanged content, because i hate the frustration and discrimination what comes with it. I love teq, i like challanges, note that that i not always have the mood for it, But, i also like the Aether path despite that its too much for me, i can’t do those dungeon speed runs, nor to “solo” dungeons. I would even wan’t a challangeing group content! But not an instanced one, not content what discriminates people.
See Triple Trouble, plenty ones, guilds and organizations runs it.. but believe me from an another pov its not easy to access it. The simultaneous"forced jumps" too….its a shame how people secures a private instance, just the exclude other people from it. From a World Boss You said people not willing to join, so they exclude themselfs, how does that applies here? who excludes who? But i do understand why, but i don’t understand why always? I do get it, the whole game is “casual” friendly and such, and you and others need that extra challange, actually you deserve that, just as we that content we have. But the thing is: We not exclude you guys
Equal chances, equal footing, equal distribution of content types. That what anet wanted to do years ago, so they came up with a dream project (whats in the meantime makes them profit, like a good succesfull MMO) It’s an another thing ,that not everythingplayed out smoothly, but thats understandable, dungeons and fractals not make it like they wanted. We can also argue in rewards, but they slowly adressing it, whit their new additions, and stuffs, they evolving the dream! Who knows maybe, you and me too have what we want in HoT or, after HoT…
But the point is: What do you think, what would happen if you would get that exact shinie Challenging instanced content? The dream would fall apart, but you would have, what you wanted.
Maybe i’m the naiv, who thinks, everyone could work together, and not just special ones, in a truly challenging enviroment.
Of course not but by optimizing I’m also including step by step tactics as well as gear load out. Following a guide to the letter and succeeding is a hollow victory in my book. You’re just a meat bot following a pre-programmed series of steps to victory. Do it enough times it becomes rout and you don’t need the cheat sheet anymore but if you think following such a guide makes you “smarter” then welcome to the Google generation where you don’t have to learn anything on your own because it’s written up online and as long as you have net access and a smart phone you’re “smart”.
LOL wat….this guy
You must be entirely ignorant of any content besides open world.
Anyways as far as i could tell all notrigger was saying was that the content in this game is easy to complete. That’s not to say you will get a speed record, but any content in this game can be done with a minimal amount of information and understanding of game mechanics. I mean back in the days of 4 wars 1 mez people knew very little about the game there was no might stacking, defiance management, they didn’t even have great portal skips, but they still completed the content.
Ofc to optimize it takes a tremendous amount of skill and group synergy, but there is no special reward for doing well. And there is no content in this game that requires that kind of skill. Fractals kind of do…if you want to run them under 30 min (depending on fractal) but the rewards are kitten and it still can be done with horrible groups (i’ve had my fair share of experiences, eles who dont use blinds/ might stack, guards who don’t know how to pull or use sota, thieves who d/d on trash mobs, engies who camp rifle/ft etc.etc.etc.).
Challenging content should require understanding of game mechanics and your class and maybe sometimes quick reactions. It should be fun and rewarding and push people to play as well as they can. I personally cannot see any reason against this. No one says this content must be mandatory just that it should be in the game. What’s the point of having all these abilities and yet never having to use them. What’s the point of having a great reactive combat system and yet having easy content.
Thats so 2004~ and no offense, really! Thats just the principal for challangeing goup content in a generic WoW clone. For me it seems GW2 is just the game who want to loose that principal… and my bad, not want to.. already did. I admit gw2 combat system as a whole maybe the best MMO frame out in the market for new shiny mechanics and challanges.. but anet seems to go in a different way. Or not, HoT will decide :P In either way i’m a white knight, so forgive my one sided mind sometimes.
Lastly i wanna say again, what i said earlier in this topic: i’m just guessing but the majority of people who against challenging content just against instanced, privatized content Content that excludes you is not a way,(see TT) and some sort of way, as i read your comment you exactly ask for this. Elite content, what just 5% can complete, or you or who have a friend amongs them, I don’t want elite stupid WoW raids, and maybe not just me. But i admit i assume, thats exactly the elite, skillful, practice needed challenging content what you need.
In your case, both customers place high value on BoB + expansion. But in reality, why people feel unhappy on forum? Because they think they’ve been cheated : person 2 (new comer) get discount ( free BoB), but person 1 (old customer, spend more (Bob + BoB + expansion) get no discount/offer.
That’s the reality. Happiness affects the value.
Let’s put person 1 back to 2 years ago when BoB was newly released. He/she entered the shop and picked up BoB which stated that the expansion pack will be released 2 years later, in which includes BoB + expansion. What did he/she think? Would he/she still paid for it at that moment? It is a total different story.
As for me, i sees this the real probleme here. People grieving over a 2 year old purchase, that they do not recieved the same product as a today buyer. But thats so nonsense… That was then, and now this deal is today…
for me the only real argument, is that “we don’t know enough about this xpac” but really…this is too just a trust issue, ppl who do not trust in what they know so far, and ppl like me, who have trust in the company that they will deliver what we need i started playing back then when gw1. I’m mostly speaks as how i see it. and even if i would know for certain that 2 years later, i can only buy the xpack with a freebie core game…i would still do it. I had too much fun with this game to not.
oh and this challange was also fun
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