Guild Wars 2

megilandil.7506:

saerni.2584:

The easiest way to adjust this, given the limitations of the mega server system, is to reduce the number of keys given for events.

No reducing key drop harms normal players, the fix of the problem is making the chest numered ,acount wide locked and locked to a timetable of 2 hours, like world champ boses bonus reward
you opened chest number 1 you canot open n1 chest until two ours in any map instance whith any character of your acount

Yes, this is pretty much what I suggested on page 4.

Functional Dragon.3586:

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You don’t even need to finish the event yourself to loot the chests, because the chests are spawned for everyone when the event ends, regardless of whether that player has done the event or not. So you can just stand idly at the eastern gate and loot the chests after it’s done. My proposal here is you have to finish the Octovine event to spawn the chests once, so you can’t loot the chests in another instance unless you finish the Octovine event again. This works like the Tequatl event, where the chest you loot is bound to your character who has completed the event.
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Cecilia.5179:

Consider how ectoplasm is usually 50s on the tp and think about whether or not you want to kill the largest source of ectoplasm and cause the price of ecto to skyrocket. If Auric Basin farming was broken, ecto prices would sink to balance it out

Hypairion.9210:

eldrin.6471:

How can you claim this dose not generate gold for the player doing it?The players doing it do it to get more gold,and the more that learn about this exploit and join in the worse the problem gets and it will cause inflation and damage the game.Makes no difference if its gold direct or mats sold to get gold,more gold is more gold.

Before posting, you should look for the définition of inflation.
What happens in AB is that some people get richer by selling ecto and mats, and some other then get poorer buying these ecto and mats.
So no gold is generated from nothing and injected into the economy (contrary to the daily reward of 2 gold for example).
Do you see the différence ?

nsleep.7839:

eldrin.6471:

How can you claim this dose not generate gold for the player doing it?The players doing it do it to get more gold,and the more that learn about this exploit and join in the worse the problem gets and it will cause inflation and damage the game.Makes no difference if its gold direct or mats sold to get gold,more gold is more gold.

And where does the gold for selling mats comes from? Oh! Other players, and 15% of that value is remoced from the game. Do you even know how the TP works?

The actual coin you make from running AB is negligible, actually, it is better for me that buy materials in bulk for crafting for you guys to keep doing this AB and selling instantly to the highest bidder on the TP just for some quick coin so I can make money back from you guys later.

I would argue that the virtual economy doesn’t work like economy in real life. You all buy stuff in this game for fun, not to fulfill your biological needs, so the richer get richer and the poor get richer—not poorer like in real life. Of course players are willing to pay more, so I doubt glob of ectoplasm price will drop. Also, people can manipulate market easily in games, but not in real life because there are laws. So that’s the case with mystic coin price.

Chris Cleary.8017:

Most of this price increase revolves around players that are pushing the value up due to the players willingness to pay more. If players are willing to pay more for an item, it’s going to keep increasing until eventually it hits a ceiling for the commodity. We’ve seen the same thing occur with numerous commodities over time.

Right now there is a consistent supply of mystic coins entering the game (way more than are being consumed) and churning through the trading post at a very slow rate. Most of the coins on the market are ones that have been flipped.

In retrospect, this is actually causing the daily login reward to be worth significantly more to players who wish to convert mystic coins to gold.

Asclepios.4295:

Hi there,
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There are always, in all MMOs, ways to farm money. The rule is always the same: the more boring it is, the more profitable. The economy does not “break” because it is hard to sustain high commitment in farming for long.
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Compared to Silverwastes farm, farming in Auric Basin is actually fun to do because it’s short and very rewarding, and you have to take a break periodically. However, I think farming in Silverwastes requires determination because it’s indeed boring and and very long.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Well the popularity of this has increased greatly since this thread started. It has crossed over from tight knit farming community to the general masses.

As a result it has become increasingly toxic. I’ve seen commanders filling a group, running the maps then locking the group and kicking anyone who doesn’t pay a bribe preventing them from multi-mapping. I’ve seen all sorts of toxic behavior now. As a result I think it is time to end this, not because of the amount of loot but because of the toxic nature it is fostering. This is how all the other loot farms ultimately needed as well. Once they become toxic Anet has no choice but to remove them.

I’ve seen ArenaNet staffs who got kicked from multi-map squads because they stayed in the first subgroup.

Horrorscope.7632:

eldrin.6471:

I just seen this exploit today for first time. got kicked from squad because i had no clue what was going on. getting loot from up to 9 maps you didn’t participate in cant be right.
And anet says nothing.

I was able to sleep at night when someone stated this. You can’t open a AB container without a key and you can’t get keys without doing things in AB. One may counter you can buy key’s, but again you can’t buy those without using the local currency which you get from doing things in AB. Once I realized the point, all was good again with the world. If you stop doing things in AB, then you maybe able to jump maps and see shiny containers, but you will not be able to open them.

I think everyone would agree that the amount of lumps of aurilium and exalted keys being rewarded from the meta events is too high. You never have to do pylon events.

Unknown.3976:

Functional Dragon.3586:

Unknown.3976:

Functional Dragon.3586:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Functional Dragon.3586:

Yes, Silverwastes farming requires more effort than Octovine. You don’t even need to finish the event yourself to loot the chests, because the chests are spawned for everyone when the event ends, regardless of whether that player has done the event or not. So you can just stand idly at the eastern gate and loot the chests after it’s done. My proposal here is you have to finish the Octovine event to spawn the chests once, so you can’t loot the chests in another instance unless you finish the Octovine event again. This works like the Tequatl event, where the chest you loot is bound to your character who has completed the event.

I only proposed a suggestion. I know I don’t have the data, but what I know is that gold to gem rate will continue to increase until it reaches a point at which players are more willing to spend real money to buy gems, so the fact that it’s so high right now indicates that players are more willing to buy gems with gold--which you can get from Octovine easily--rather than real money.

I think you have been misled somewhere along the way. AB meta does not generate gold, it removes gold from the economy. All of the profit is through mats which are sold on the TP. selling these items takes 15% of the gold they are worth out of the economy. This causes deflation, which leads to lower gold to gem prices.

The rise in gold to gem price that we do see is due to the massive inflation that Anet introduced in the last patch. Everyone is given 2g a day just for logging in. This has led to rapid inflation of the economy, causing prices for everything to rise, including gems. If you wish to have the prices level off then you need to start petitioning Anet to remove the log in gold, and buff the AB farm.

I think you don’t get the point, so I suggest you read my posts again. Yes, I’m aware of the trading post tax and its function, which is to prevent inflation. The point is that this method we’re talking about gives you ridiculous amount of gold and requires so little effort and time.

Two gold from just logging in? Your statement is wrong. You have to complete 3 dailies to get it. I believe this has little impact on the economy. Octovine however, can give you about 30 gold per 15 minutes of pressing F!

U have a very poor understanding of economics. Those gold earned at AB comes from other players (thru TP), AB does not print money, it has no part in the inflation. TP just redistribute the wealth within the community. Inflation is caused by fresh input of currency thru daily, Tequalt, fractal farming, shiny baubles etc.

And Gem to Gold ratio is now very attractive, great time for ppl to buy gems (with real money) to convert to gold; it used to cost 80 gems to buy 10 gold, now it only cost 50 gems to purchase 10 gold.

On the other hand, Gold to Gem conversion has suffered, gem prices is at a all time high, meaning ppl have to work harder to earn more gold to convert to gems; it used to cost 80 gold to purchase 400 gems, now it cost 125 gold to purchase 400 gems. So how does this impact Anet business model? Care to explain?

Here is my thought: why would you buy gems with real money to convert gems into gold when you can just spam F for 15 minutes to get 30 gold?

Your hypothesis is short-sighted and flawed, it’s too simplistic a view; It does not account for inflation, it does not account for rising prices due to rising demand.

As the community gets more affluent, the demand for gems will raise as well, causing a further spike in gem prices. The more players that convert their gold to gems, the more pricey gems becomes. I do farm AB irregularly for ectos and the current gold to gem conversion rate is so unattractive, I actually decided to purchase gems using real life currency, and that throws ur theory out the window.

Functional Dragon.3586:

I personally used to buy a lot of gems with real money to convert gems into gold, until this method became widespread.

And how’s that an issue ? Gem to Gold conversion rate is extremely attractive now !!! Maybe u are upset that u are buying too much gold with ur gems?

No, I’m not upset. In fact, I’m happy because now I can get gold easily, but deep down I don’t like it given how easy it is.

I only introduced the idea that this Octovine farm may have something to do with the current gem to gold rate. Whether it’s true or not, I’ll leave that to ArenaNet staffs, who have access to the data, can analyze them, and prove it, rather than having endless arguments.

torgar.4015:

Because Functional Dragon, even if your idea was true, it would take 5 meta event minimum (earning a quoted 30g each) to make enough gold to buy 400 gems (5*30=150g) the farm can only happen for 15 mins every 2 hours, which equals 10 hoursof sitting on or around a PC to hit the events, also I tend to find people in multi loot squads try thier best to create successful maps. I really don’t understand your dislike for this farm tbh...

I made myself clear that I don’t like this farm because it is way too easy. Remember that you don’t need to finish the event to loot the chests. Just like when they nerf the elementalist fiery greatsword. Why? Because it was "press 4 to win" easy. Now we have "press F to get 30 gold" easy.

I personally used to buy a lot of gems with real money to convert gems into gold, until this method became widespread.

Unknown.3976:

Functional Dragon.3586:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Functional Dragon.3586:

Yes, Silverwastes farming requires more effort than Octovine. You don’t even need to finish the event yourself to loot the chests, because the chests are spawned for everyone when the event ends, regardless of whether that player has done the event or not. So you can just stand idly at the eastern gate and loot the chests after it’s done. My proposal here is you have to finish the Octovine event to spawn the chests once, so you can’t loot the chests in another instance unless you finish the Octovine event again. This works like the Tequatl event, where the chest you loot is bound to your character who has completed the event.

I only proposed a suggestion. I know I don’t have the data, but what I know is that gold to gem rate will continue to increase until it reaches a point at which players are more willing to spend real money to buy gems, so the fact that it’s so high right now indicates that players are more willing to buy gems with gold--which you can get from Octovine easily--rather than real money.

I think you have been misled somewhere along the way. AB meta does not generate gold, it removes gold from the economy. All of the profit is through mats which are sold on the TP. selling these items takes 15% of the gold they are worth out of the economy. This causes deflation, which leads to lower gold to gem prices.

The rise in gold to gem price that we do see is due to the massive inflation that Anet introduced in the last patch. Everyone is given 2g a day just for logging in. This has led to rapid inflation of the economy, causing prices for everything to rise, including gems. If you wish to have the prices level off then you need to start petitioning Anet to remove the log in gold, and buff the AB farm.

I think you don’t get the point, so I suggest you read my posts again. Yes, I’m aware of the trading post tax and its function, which is to prevent inflation. The point is that this method we’re talking about gives you ridiculous amount of gold and requires so little effort and time.

Two gold from just logging in? Your statement is wrong. You have to complete 3 dailies to get it. I believe this has little impact on the economy. Octovine however, can give you about 30 gold per 15 minutes of pressing F!

U have a very poor understanding of economics. Those gold earned at AB comes from other players (thru TP), AB does not print money, it has no part in the inflation. TP just redistribute the wealth within the community. Inflation is caused by fresh input of currency thru daily, Tequalt, fractal farming, shiny baubles etc.

And Gem to Gold ratio is now very attractive, great time for ppl to buy gems (with real money) to convert to gold; it used to cost 80 gems to buy 10 gold, now it only cost 50 gems to purchase 10 gold.

On the other hand, Gold to Gem conversion has suffered, gem prices is at a all time high, meaning ppl have to work harder to earn more gold to convert to gems; it used to cost 80 gold to purchase 400 gems, now it cost 125 gold to purchase 400 gems. So how does this impact Anet business model? Care to explain?

Here is my thought: why would you buy gems with real money to convert gems into gold when you can just spam F for 15 minutes to get 30 gold?

General Health.9678:

Functional Dragon.3586:

gold to gem rate will continue to increase until it reaches a point at which players are more willing to spend real money to buy gems

I’m not seeing the downside to anets business model here.

Although I don’t have the data, I hypothesize players are less willing to buy gems with real money, given how easy it is to earn gold with this Octovine method.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Functional Dragon.3586:

Yes, Silverwastes farming requires more effort than Octovine. You don’t even need to finish the event yourself to loot the chests, because the chests are spawned for everyone when the event ends, regardless of whether that player has done the event or not. So you can just stand idly at the eastern gate and loot the chests after it’s done. My proposal here is you have to finish the Octovine event to spawn the chests once, so you can’t loot the chests in another instance unless you finish the Octovine event again. This works like the Tequatl event, where the chest you loot is bound to your character who has completed the event.

I only proposed a suggestion. I know I don’t have the data, but what I know is that gold to gem rate will continue to increase until it reaches a point at which players are more willing to spend real money to buy gems, so the fact that it’s so high right now indicates that players are more willing to buy gems with gold--which you can get from Octovine easily--rather than real money.

I think you have been misled somewhere along the way. AB meta does not generate gold, it removes gold from the economy. All of the profit is through mats which are sold on the TP. selling these items takes 15% of the gold they are worth out of the economy. This causes deflation, which leads to lower gold to gem prices.

The rise in gold to gem price that we do see is due to the massive inflation that Anet introduced in the last patch. Everyone is given 2g a day just for logging in. This has led to rapid inflation of the economy, causing prices for everything to rise, including gems. If you wish to have the prices level off then you need to start petitioning Anet to remove the log in gold, and buff the AB farm.

I think you don’t get the point, so I suggest you read my posts again. Yes, I’m aware of the trading post tax and its function, which is to prevent inflation. The point is that this method we’re talking about gives you ridiculous amount of gold and requires so little effort and time.

Two gold from just logging in? Your statement is wrong. You have to complete 3 dailies to get it. I believe this has little impact on the economy. Octovine however, can give you about 30 gold per 15 minutes of pressing F!

Yes, Silverwastes farming requires more effort than Octovine. You don’t even need to finish the event yourself to loot the chests, because the chests are spawned for everyone when the event ends, regardless of whether that player has done the event or not. So you can just stand idly at the eastern gate and loot the chests after it’s done. My proposal here is you have to finish the Octovine event to spawn the chests once, so you can’t loot the chests in another instance unless you finish the Octovine event again. This works like the Tequatl event, where the chest you loot is bound to your character who has completed the event.

I only proposed a suggestion. I know I don’t have the data, but what I know is that gold to gem rate will continue to increase until it reaches a point at which players are more willing to spend real money to buy gems, so the fact that it’s so high right now indicates that players are more willing to buy gems with gold--which you can get from Octovine easily--rather than real money.

Dear ArenaNet, please nerf this Octovine farm. Players can just log in every two hours and loot every grand chest to get about 60 globs of ectoplasm. That amount is ridiculous considering the little effort required. You only have to press F at every grand chest! Also since the April patch, players no longer need to do events to get enchanted armor, resulting in more successful map instances! This is unlike Silverwastes event farm where you have to actually work hard to get gold. I believe this is why gold to gem rate has skyrocketed to new record, therefore this Octovine farm is bad for the economy and also bad for your business, since the need of buying gems with real money is lost.