Guild Wars 2

Kidel.2057:

Do you understand that you can say the same about every class? Take a necromancer, with 4 minions, huge hp pool, a lot of skills to heal, a lot of ranged weapons and death shroud. I’m sure it’s easier with it, but you probably never tried. The funniest part is that with the litch form a necro doubles his/her hp, going around 50k hp at level 80.

Also we are not saying that the guardian is a weak piece of dirt, we are saying that close to a guardian, every class is superior to it (except another guardian, of course).

Are you trying to say that your guardian in better than a warrior with your buffs? I don’t think so. It’s simply impossible since all the mitigation/power of a guardian comes from boons, and almost every guardian boon is applied to nearby players.

And don’t talk abour WvW, where guardians can ONLY be a support class (no escape means, no cripple, no ranged).

You obviously don’t read well, but I will give up on that point because you seem to be just another ignorant person when it comes to that. So, I will move on to another point that you will hopefully be able to understand. First, guardians are nowhere near the worst class. I, as well as most people I have talked to, would classify them as one of the top 3, if not 5.

As for the who is a better tank, you better believe I’m saying a guardian is better than a warrior. You are forgetting that we have passive abilities on our spells which help only us, and are not applied to our allies. Sure, a lot of our abilities that help us tank get applied to our allies, but we aren’t using those while we DPS or whatever else we are doing. For instance, if you are DPSing an instance with a warrior tank, you aren’t going to have a shield/mace out giving him healing, protection, and aegis are you? If so, I understand why you say your DPS sucks.

At any rate, you obviously failed to read what I wrote about PvP as well. You must be running around with a hammer, or naked, or something…but obviously you don’t know how to make it work. I constantly kill 3-4 people at a time. I will almost always charge groups of enemies with no fear, because I know I can handle multiple enemies. No escapes? You must never have gotten Judge’s Intervention, or use your #4 greatsword ability. Or your multiple snares/knockdowns. Or, your stun removals/speed buffs. I get away from just about any fight that I need to…by using my abilities. Sure, if you just try to run without using abilities you will be killed every time.

One thing I will certainly agree with you on though, our ranged sucks.

@ Malediktus

Sorry, let me clarify what I meant by “play a guardian right.”

I did not mean a cookie-cutter spec, I just meant that if you learn when to dodge, when to change weapons, when to back off, when to heal, etc, you will find that you can survive just about anything. And we all know that the longer you stay alive, the longer you buff your allies, DPS enemies, CC, etc.

My main is my 80 Guardian and let me start by saying I have logged over 325 hours on him alone, in pve and pvp. Guardian is incredibly fun to play, and I can fill any role just fine whether it be support in WvW, or tank in instances, or DPS for dynamic events…I can do everything just fine.

While it’s true, we have the lowest stats out of any class, there is good reason. Lets take a look at instancing first.
When I play DPS (20/25/20/0/5 greatsword), I can EASILY out damage the entire group, and it is a noticeable difference, and most of that damage is AOE. Along with that, I am buffing the rest of the group with heals/aegis/and burn damage. I have yet to lose to someone in DPS in an instance, aside from the random necro or warrior, but those still rarely beat me.

When I support/tank in instances on my guardian (0/0/30/30/10 shield/mace – greatsword) I will almost never die. Even with my low HP, I can take the largest beating out of any class. Sure, I might get downed a few times on a boss fight, but my group can get through entire boss fights without a SINGLE scratch on anyone but me. All you need to do is figure out when to time your blocks and damage mitigation and heals and you will be perfectly fine, you can even tank better than that 30k hp warrior.

Now, I wont even talk about PvP because after 3v1/4v1’ing people numerous times, they eventually just decide to run away from me instead of fighting me with their superior numbers. So I think you get the point there.

Moral of the story is, if you play Guardian right, you can fill any role just fine, you just have to learn your rotations and timing. If we increased guardian stats, they would be far too op, and no one wants that. They are already one of the strongest classes out there, and I don’t think they need a single change (aside from bugs or whatever, I have not encountered any yet though.)

Had to add one with the sword, completes the look =P