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After being gone for a while, I changed my password and was able to log into my anet account on the website. However, the game refusing to take my information and throws a 227 error at me. All the information is the same as the password recovery info, but it doesn’t work with the game client.
Mavajo – A controlled market will always fail. Anet cannot simply adjust gem prices to fix the problem, they have to switch to a free market like the FLEX system for that to work. Yes, gold sellers can buy all the gems. But then people will buy more gems an the gold sellers will never make any money. They would just end up with a ton of virtual gems that come out of thin air. That doesn’t help their cause at all. Selling those gems back for in game gold won’t get them money, and the people will determine how much gold they get for the exchange.
What. I think you’re completely confused.
If you adjust the Gold:Gem ratio, it becomes more practical for people to just buy Gold from ArenaNet (via Gems) than from gold sellers. The gold sellers actually have to go out there and farm the stuff, whereas ArenaNet just types in a new value. It won’t take long for ArenaNet to adjust the Gold:Gem ratio to such a level that it’s no longer feasible for gold sellers to farm and re-sale gold as a means of real world income.
That’s called price fixing, and as I keep stating, it has never worked once in history. You cannot artificial set a boundary where people are happy with the product and the price. You have to let people decide that for themselves.
Paladine – Just stop. You’re completely wrong in every post and you’re embarrassing yourself. Putting out false facts and lies is not going to protect you from being banned for buying and/or selling gold (you’re obviously doing one of those).
Mavajo – A controlled market will always fail. Anet cannot simply adjust gem prices to fix the problem, they have to switch to a free market like the FLEX system for that to work. Yes, gold sellers can buy all the gems. But then people will buy more gems an the gold sellers will never make any money. They would just end up with a ton of virtual gems that come out of thin air. That doesn’t help their cause at all. Selling those gems back for in game gold won’t get them money, and the people will determine how much gold they get for the exchange.
Careful who you accuse, I haven’t purchased any gold nor sold any, in fact I have spent $150 on Gems.
As for being wrong, no I am not, it is my job and I know these issues incredibly well – but thanks for your feedback and have a lovely evening.
So your job is knowing the laws of more than 8 countries? BS. Even armchair lawyers know that what constitutes private communication is limited. That’s why lawyers send their email with a signature that disclaims any privacy. Also, if you’re such a whiz of a lawyer, why didn’t you bother to read the ToS? Anet OWNS everything you do in that game. Everything you type becomes their property. Whoops. That’s industry standard so you can’t claim a copyright on a section of their game.
Also, them selling gold exclusively does not constitute a monopoly, as the digital goods hold no value and do not exist in a real market. The entire premise of your argument is laughable. Next you’ll say that they can’t have exclusive rights to sell weapons through their weapon vendors, and they have to allow gold farmers to set up NPC’s to compete with them.
The analogy of casino chips doesn’t work either. Players become the legal owners of those chips when they win them. They literally become the property of the player. But the casino will kick you out for doing it. Anet owns everything attached to GW2. Everything. Let me emphasize – everything.
Also, try going into a casino with completely different chips and selling them. Good luck with that. You’ll either be in jail or in a ditch with your limbs broken.
Paladine – Just stop. You’re completely wrong in every post and you’re embarrassing yourself. Putting out false facts and lies is not going to protect you from being banned for buying and/or selling gold (you’re obviously doing one of those).
Mavajo – A controlled market will always fail. Anet cannot simply adjust gem prices to fix the problem, they have to switch to a free market like the FLEX system for that to work. Yes, gold sellers can buy all the gems. But then people will buy more gems an the gold sellers will never make any money. They would just end up with a ton of virtual gems that come out of thin air. That doesn’t help their cause at all. Selling those gems back for in game gold won’t get them money, and the people will determine how much gold they get for the exchange.
Indeed they can track it if they are fast enough and they know who the bots are.
Apparently they weren’t prepared for this which is why bots stay up for days even after players report them.
It becomes more difficult to track when the botters are using hacked acounts and sophisticated methods to constantly move small amounts around thousands of accounts.
Then there is a foolproof way to cut the trail in the end assuming they haven’t already sold the Gold through a hacked account.
Find a thinly traded item on TP. Clean it out by buying and filling all the listed orders. Relist the items from a Genuinely purchased account at a slightly inflated price not too high to elicit suspicion. Buy it with the hacked account using the botted Gold. This efffectively cuts the trail dead. A sophisticated Gold selling house could do this pretty fast with systems or cheap labor.
Now we have the Gold in the genuinely purchased account which can freely trade with little ability for Anet to prove it is not legit. The only cost is the 15% transaction fee. So obviously this is the last resort. When there is excess gold not yet sold through hacked accounts.
But Anet already knows hacked accounts and bots by the reports (and because it’s so laughably obvious) that they could simply track who the bots are transferring money to. Parsing this data will reveal where the gold is flowing. I bet they could find the primary gold holders very easily. That’s not even counting the huge transactions of hundreds of gold. Once the tracking system is in place, it’s extremely easy to tell if that 300 gold was farmed legit and just being gifted to another player, or if the sender is tied to a bot net.
It would be nearly impossible to ban all the low level bots this way.With the volume of currency sent via mail, you could grab the bots pretty easily. Because all banks are central to an account, there is no reason to mail gold or items to yourself. This greatly reduces the amount of gold travelling through the mail, and therefore the number of times someone is likely to mail gold. It should be pretty easy to pick up regular gold shipments. If the farmers slow down the frequency of shipments, then they have to ship larger quantities at once, which would still flag the account.The idea is to hammer the large gold transfers (20+ gold). It’s kind of like busting drug dealers – go after the source. Except in this case, Anet can see where all the drugs are at a glance. They know exactly how much gold any person has, where they got it, where they spent it, and what’s in the mail. Why they haven’t implemented an automated system that detects large gold transfers is beyond me. It’s not like gold selling is new. I figured they would have put a system in place, knowing it would become a problem.
Instead it looks like they had no clue this practice existed and left the doors wide open.
Your idea is theoretically good if Anet had a system in place before hand. The situation is actually reversed it would seem. Goldsellers had multiple systems in place ready to deploy as soon as GW2 launched.
You assume that all 2M+players play regularly. It is possible that many haven’t bothered to change their login becuase they weren’t hit by the first wave of hacks. With that many accounts out there even a 0.5% number of hacked accounts is 10,000 accounts.
Also ATM 10-20G is a small amount to transfer. A full exotic lvl 80 set could easily cost much more than 20G. Genuine players can make 1G+ per hr grinding and more in the TP.
Who is to say it isn’t a friend sending 20G if both accounts are legit? I personally send stuff to my daughter all the time. So do i suddenly get banned if I decide to send 20G?
If the sending account is hacked, well the buyer can be permabanned but the Gold seller is still in biz.
The state of the system is bad, they really need to act faster, maybe buyout multiple Goldselling companies and turn them into agents to find and combat the others.
You’re missing the point entirely. It doesn’t matter if it’s 100 gold or 1 copper. The point is that you can detect patterns. Bots and gold sellers have specific behavior patterns that do not match a typical player. Does your friend send 20 gold every day? Does he receive gold infusions from 30 of the same players every day? For 20+ gold? The frequency of gold mailing is going to be leagues different between a legit player and a gold seller. The number of wrongful bans would be tiny, probably only around a hundred per year. Out of 2 million accounts, that’s pretty small.
Ironically nobody in this thread has realized just how easy it is for Anet to track gold sellers. If someone buys 500 gold (I’ve seen it advertised about a hundred times now) in one shot, that means an account needs an excess of 500 gold, farmed from several bot accounts, in order to deliver the product. Lets look at the pattern:
Multiple bots/hacked accounts are pushing small quantities of gold to hold or bank accounts. These accounts will either hold gold for distribution to customers or to pool into main accounts before distribution.
This distribution, unlike the bot transfer, will have a great variety of targets. Congratulations, we just labelled the bots, the mules, and the customers. This can be discovered in minutes using simple queries to the database. Heck, they could set up a weathermap to watch farmed gold move around the economy. It’s insanely simple and works on the principle that normal players won’t be moving hundreds of gold per day.
Now that you’ve narrowed it down, you have a reasonable number of accounts that GM’s or other staff can investigate for banning. Better still, you’re destroying large caches of gold and making the gold selling operation lose money. You also have a very accurate hit on all the gold buyers, and you can remove their gold and hit them with a 72 hour ban.
Oh, and it’s simple math. In order for GW2 to survive, people have to buy gems. If people are buying gold from China instead of Anet, GW2 is going to crash and burn very, very quickly. So all that gold you people are buying is going to put them out of business and make it worth less than the 1’s and 0’s it already is..
Indeed they can track it if they are fast enough and they know who the bots are.
Apparently they weren’t prepared for this which is why bots stay up for days even after players report them.
It becomes more difficult to track when the botters are using hacked acounts and sophisticated methods to constantly move small amounts around thousands of accounts.
Then there is a foolproof way to cut the trail in the end assuming they haven’t already sold the Gold through a hacked account.
Find a thinly traded item on TP. Clean it out by buying and filling all the listed orders. Relist the items from a Genuinely purchased account at a slightly inflated price not too high to elicit suspicion. Buy it with the hacked account using the botted Gold. This efffectively cuts the trail dead. A sophisticated Gold selling house could do this pretty fast with systems or cheap labor.
Now we have the Gold in the genuinely purchased account which can freely trade with little ability for Anet to prove it is not legit. The only cost is the 15% transaction fee. So obviously this is the last resort. When there is excess gold not yet sold through hacked accounts.
But Anet already knows hacked accounts and bots by the reports (and because it’s so laughably obvious) that they could simply track who the bots are transferring money to. Parsing this data will reveal where the gold is flowing. I bet they could find the primary gold holders very easily. That’s not even counting the huge transactions of hundreds of gold. Once the tracking system is in place, it’s extremely easy to tell if that 300 gold was farmed legit and just being gifted to another player, or if the sender is tied to a bot net.
It would be nearly impossible to ban all the low level bots this way. With the volume of currency sent via mail, you could grab the bots pretty easily. Because all banks are central to an account, there is no reason to mail gold or items to yourself. This greatly reduces the amount of gold travelling through the mail, and therefore the number of times someone is likely to mail gold. It should be pretty easy to pick up regular gold shipments. If the farmers slow down the frequency of shipments, then they have to ship larger quantities at once, which would still flag the account.
The idea is to hammer the large gold transfers (20+ gold). It’s kind of like busting drug dealers – go after the source. Except in this case, Anet can see where all the drugs are at a glance. They know exactly how much gold any person has, where they got it, where they spent it, and what’s in the mail. Why they haven’t implemented an automated system that detects large gold transfers is beyond me. It’s not like gold selling is new. I figured they would have put a system in place, knowing it would become a problem.
Instead it looks like they had no clue this practice existed and left the doors wide open.
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Ironically nobody in this thread has realized just how easy it is for Anet to track gold sellers. If someone buys 500 gold (I’ve seen it advertised about a hundred times now) in one shot, that means an account needs an excess of 500 gold, farmed from several bot accounts, in order to deliver the product. Lets look at the pattern:
Multiple bots/hacked accounts are pushing small quantities of gold to hold or bank accounts. These accounts will either hold gold for distribution to customers or to pool into main accounts before distribution.
This distribution, unlike the bot transfer, will have a great variety of targets. Congratulations, we just labelled the bots, the mules, and the customers. This can be discovered in minutes using simple queries to the database. Heck, they could set up a weathermap to watch farmed gold move around the economy. It’s insanely simple and works on the principle that normal players won’t be moving hundreds of gold per day.
Now that you’ve narrowed it down, you have a reasonable number of accounts that GM’s or other staff can investigate for banning. Better still, you’re destroying large caches of gold and making the gold selling operation lose money. You also have a very accurate hit on all the gold buyers, and you can remove their gold and hit them with a 72 hour ban.
Oh, and it’s simple math. In order for GW2 to survive, people have to buy gems. If people are buying gold from China instead of Anet, GW2 is going to crash and burn very, very quickly. So all that gold you people are buying is going to put them out of business and make it worth less than the 1’s and 0’s it already is..
While I can solo Orr, I don’t like it. It’s ugly, it’s irritating, and there is no reason why everything should have stun, knockdown, bleed, knock back, cripple AND poison. I understand they wanted to make a group area, but isn’t that what the solid 80 areas are for?
Well, the game is pretty much unplayable now. Between story line bugs, broken wvw, and 75+ zones filled with bots and nothing left to kill… what’s the point of playing?
There are three things that can be done together to shut out all the farmers and vastly reduce the bots in the game:
1) Get rid of the socialist gem market. Let people sell gems for whatever they want. The market will balance itself out, and most likely be a lot cheaper than what gold farmers sell for. This means gold farmers can no longer make a profit on the gold they sell.
2) Catch the Sellers. Run a query that tracks gold quantity and trade amounts. Any accounts that are receiving gold infusions from 10 – 20+ other sources, then sending large infusions to random accounts are obviously primary accounts. Taking these out in bulk will get rid of the large quantities of gold being amassed. It seems to be pretty logical math. These companies are selling up to 525 gold in one chunk, so they’re obviously moving a larger quantity than any legitimate player would be capable of doing in a 24 hour period.
3) Punish the buyers. Obviously the random accounts receiving gold transfusions from these known spammers have bought gold. Yank all the gold and give them a 3 day ban. If they do it again, delete their account and move on. The only reason why the farmers and bots exist is because anet is allowing people to throw money at them. No customers = no farmers.
Great, so Anet is banning the accounts of legit players with hacked accounts en-mass. Any ETA on when you plan on fixing the problem? IE going after companies like EING that are doing the hacking and are the root cause of the problem?
Accounts don’t get “hacked” 99% of the time. What happens is people use the same password for every single online activity. Forums, banking, gaming… all the same password. So if your info is compromised somewhere else, then they just try it on all the major games. Your GW2 account needs to have a strong and importantly UNIQUE password.
Hacking is gaining unauthorized access to accounts and data. It doesn’t matter if it’s because an idiot made the password or because it’s a script kiddie running blowfish or rainbow tables. The result is the same – these people have an unlimited amount of dummy accounts to throw under the bus, and anet seems content with just banning those accounts without actually addressing the problem.
Great, so Anet is banning the accounts of legit players with hacked accounts en-mass. Any ETA on when you plan on fixing the problem? IE going after companies like EING that are doing the hacking and are the root cause of the problem?
For the love of all that is good in the land, plz shut up vendors!
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Not sure why people are having a hard time making gold. I power leveled 3 crafting skills to 400 and I’m still holding on to 1.7g. I can make 1 gold/hour just completing maps. I made a full set of gladiator/explorer and just popped on some opal orbs (+3% magic for ~1.5s). With omnom, that’s 66% magic boost. You can easily get all this for about 1 gold just buying it on the market.
Running through any event that spawns a lot of low HP mobs and some AOE (I use a greatsword), you can fill your inventory in 45 minutes – 1 hour with greens and blues + mats. Sell junk and anything below 70 to a vendor. Scrap the rest for ecto or more mats. Mithril and orichalcum fetch good prices on the market (especially orichalcum). Crafting drop can go for 1s- 2s depending on type. I’ll probably pick up some explorer trinkets soon too. I’m saving the explorer rune set for my knight armor, but that gives something near +100% magic find.
If I can keep a constant stream of gold while power leveling 3 crafting skills, nobody has the right to complain about wealth.