Guild Wars 2

Evene.5796:

I do have a life and I do have a full job, but this job allows me to play late at night. Lots of French people can finds ways (especially uni student, who didn’t started school again). It’s ok to say that we can be up at night when you can’t, because you have a different way of life and other constraints, but please stop to be insulting. Thank you.

I don’t think anyone is insulting you. Completely another thing is whether they respect your place as being number one in scores. I think most don’t, at all. The fact is, no matter how you put it, 90% of your points are achieved by man vs. dooring at nights – and then struggling to defend the map even with 3 orbs and upgrades at peaktimes.

You were loosing, clearly and by far, this weekend. You were 10k points behind FS. That tells me, and many others, much more from the state of your server than the current scoreboard. However, no one should insult you or anything. Night capping clearly works, and it’s a valid strategy if you want to win the 1 or 2 week rotation. As long as you do it, you’ll win always – and by large. However all that said, it’s still completelykitten way to win and you really won’t get any respect for doing that. Your “victory” is mostly meaningless to most of the people. We, on FS, beat you on weekend – on a fair playground – and to most players, that is what matters. =)

DKP.4196:

In the peak time, I can say that Shiverpeak, Desolation and the French are on even grounds, and we can clearly see that the French arent THE number one that they seem to be every morning. They are even with the other 2 servers. Nothing special, probably should be 2nd or 3rd after seeing these last 3 days.

Quoted for truth. The weekend was a fair victory for FS. We worked really hard for it and saw we can beat Vizu if we want to. We know who is the best. It’s enough for most of us. =) No matter what the overall score is. Anyways 90% of it is achieved by man vs. dooring at nights. It’s basically a joke.

We have just as bad queues at FS as you have – if not worse. Come and see if you don’t believe. Try to queue at peaktime, like saturday evening, you won’t get in, ever. Also we, at FS, were better than you. We won fair and by far this weekend. It doesn’t matter which alliances were in or not, is there clipping or not (it works for you too, you know?). We were simply better. And that is enough for me and for many others. We know we can win against you if we want to. We know who is the best out there. Overall score, achieved by nightcapping, is nothing but a joke – sure it gives you a “victory”, but it has nothing to do whether you’re actually the best server or not.

Nowadays I think you’re mostly a man vs. door -server. At daytimes you are mediocre, 90% of your points comes from man vs. dooring at night. That pretty much sums it up. Ye, I do have respect for some guilds on your server, but servers as a whole, not really. Mostly mediocre. Without your nightcapping “strategy” you would be at spot #5 or so. =)

Ljungen.6781:

… but in DAOC atleast on my server we had a gentlemen´s agreement not to raid relics at nighttime

This, so this. I really wish Vizu would understand/evaluate what all this does to the WvW COMMUNITY overall (on those servers Vizu is fighting with).

It’s been ages since DAOC. So basically, for the new generation of players, GW 2 is the first “proper” WvW -game they see. It means that for majority of players this is the first time they experience the WvW as a form of PvP. The current situation is severely demoralizing the new population interested in WvW, it drives them away from WvW – and fast. They feel WvW against Vizu is unbalanced, they feel cheated, they feel like they can’t win, they feel whatever they do is in vain. They don’t want to buy upgrades since it’s seems to be waste of silver. Vizu just man vs. doors everything to ground at nights. Morale drops rapidly and no one just bothers..

This hurts the COMMUNITY overall. And everyone who understands WvW knows that community is the hearth of WvW. In the end that is what gives good fights, memorable alliances and rivals alike. So.. do you want to show what WvW can be for the next generation? Or do you want to drive them away from the WvW for good.

DAOC veterans/guilds understand how the overall score goes and don’t really sweat that much about it.. they just enjoy the fights at daytime and are done with it. The overall score means really nothing, no need to look at it that much. Actually I think most serious WvW guilds/players on FS would prefer to fight two Vizus. It’d give them much much more interesting fights at daytime.

Yea, well its kind of fun actually. At daytime we at FS are usually leading if we look at the points gained per tick. Few hours ago we were still number one even in total points.

After out manning us 5 to 1 at late hours they have everything, they upgrade everything, they defend everything, they have all the orbs. Then the next day comes – and suddenly, at 1:1 man power ratio, they’re unable to defend what they have (even when completely upgraded and fortified) and they loose ground on all battlefronts to a point where the may actually be the server who gets the LEAST amounts of points per tick. Makes sense? Proves something about the actual skill of the players on this server.

I don’t think that much of Vizu in overall anymore. I used to think they were dedicated and good at WvW, but after seeing how things REALLY are during this weekend.. not anymore. They loose more or less at daytimes, man vs. door at nights. That pretty much sums it up. Overall I find it rather hilarious. After playing WvW for the whole weekend almost nonstop, I know who the REAL winners are – and that is enough for me. Those overall scores are really nothing but a joke, a result of holding the 99% of the map for 6h when rest of the Europe is asleep.

Overall the best thing to do is simply enjoy of whatever resistance Vizu is able to give us at daytime/evening and be done with it. No point staring the overall score, it doesn’t really tell us anything.

I don’t really know or care whether there are foreign (to EU) time-zone players on Vizunah or not, but I know overall they don’t seem to be nothing but a rather mediocre WvW -server which is high on the list only because of the night-time capping, nothing else. Take that away from them, and you’re looking at them being #4-5 or so in EU (behind Riverside and Desolation by far). At daytimes they put up barely a fight (excluding few guilds who run organized groups behind enemy lines or focus on one(!) keep). We (at FS) can easily cap all your full upgraded keeps and orbs when daytime comes, it’s like not even fun guys.. where are you all?

Does this night-zerg “strategy” get you a win? Yes, every time. You’ll win every 2 week rotation you’re in due to this – not by skill, but because of out manning us at least 5 to 1 at nights. This gets you around 10-15k points per night ahead (even with 15min/tick -change). Yes, we can (and will) catch some of that back at daytime, due to our superior daytime play, but in the end it won’t balance out and you’ll “win” the first place.

I’m not mad or anything. It’s a “war” and your strategy gives you the victory. I’m just feeling a bit puzzled. I mean guys? I was expecting much more from you than this? Where are all your daytime players? All I see is mindless zerging and running around (albeit in big numbers). Where is your overall strategy covering all four maps? Are you even playing at daytime? Are you just waiting for night to come to get all the easy points for free? At 3-4 am it’s relatively quiet (you still have more players than we do and we are loosing ground). Clock hits 5 am or so, and there is huge, and I really mean HUGE, jump in the number of Vizu players. That is what gives you the points and the first place currently, nothing else.

Dude, this is why there are there are three worlds fighting each other instead of just two. It makes things interesting =)

Ness.3846:

Kainz.7905:

Hats off to Vizunah for their success and dedication!

However, the current situation will lead to an end where everyone else in your battlegroup (EU places 2 and 3) will eventually abandon WvW. Players will get bored seeing the whole map capped over and over again by your night-zergs, and thus no one wants to invest anything to WvW because it’s all in vain. …….

Ok dude, see you on GW3

Sorry, but the majority of the players of Vizunah, are French people and not Canadian as you seem to claim him. Because most part of the players playing at night, are him also after noon and in the evening.

Only Vizunah includes many of the big guild RvR FR having formed an alliance.

Uhm, dude read my post again please. I never stated nor claimed there are foreign players in your server. Please, read what I wrote if you quote me and reply to my post. Thank you.

Hats off to Vizunah for their success and dedication!

However, the current situation will lead to an end where everyone else in your battlegroup (EU places 2 and 3) will eventually abandon WvW. Players will get bored seeing the whole map capped over and over again by your night-zergs, and thus no one wants to invest anything to WvW because it’s all in vain. No one takes WvW seriously because no matter what they do, they can’t change the end result. There is no enthusiasm, there is no strive for victory, morale to fight is zero. This kills WvW community completely on servers you’re fighting with. Eventually you end up fighting randoms doing monthlies/jumping puzzles and perhaps some small WvW guilds (unless they transfer away in hopes of more fair fights – fights they feel they can win).

The problem is there simply aren’t enough WvW oriented players to play at night times. We have to sleep you know, we have to go to work, we have to live outside of the game. You seem to have players like these, and that is good – for you, but very bad for the WvW community. And the community is the hearth and soul of good, enjoyable WvW. There were lot of new potential players who were very interested in WvW as a PvP format. Large part of them have now turned away from it due to the system and situation being what it is. They feel like it’s not fair, they’re frustrated, they can’t win no matter how good they are or how much they invest into the game. They just have to sleep at nights.

Unless we get players from other time-zones (yes we need those, even if you apparently don’t), the situation won’t change. Another solution would be you spreading out more evenly, so that the the night-time players are more evenly distributed among servers. Or perhaps defend and build up your defenses, instead of man vs. dooring the whole WvW map just because you can. I don’t know – shrug – but the current situation is… well I don’t really see any good or positive sides in it. I doubt it’s that fun or challenging for you either?