Guild Wars 2

obsituus.5981:

To those saying the game will fail due to not granting gear that is significantly more powerful as a reward… GW1 is still around. Want to rethink that argument?

Second, why is it fair that those with more time to play should be able to facestomp those with less time to play? More time =/= more skill. The best PVPer in the world might only have 5 hours a week to play and in that time they simply can’t “progress” their gear so they get facerolled by people that are far less capable but are better geared because they can play 5+ hours a day. In a competitive PvP system rewarding people with uber gear that makes them near impossible to beat by those in lesser gear is absolute crap and always has been.

Third, did NONE of you that complain about this concept follow the development of this game, or pay any attention to GW1? ANet said it would be this way from the beginning so if you came here expecting a typical MMO gear progression system, that is YOUR fault and the devs should not change the game to appease you since it is targeted at those of who are fine with cosmetic rewards and titles and like to PvP against people on an level playing field.

Finally, yes, “fun” is more than enough reason to play a game and those of you begging for a gear treadmill of ever increasing stats are truly the minority. As I mentioned above, this game was not targeted toward you, ever, so get over it. Also, if you don’t believe it is possible to have a game where people do PvP for fun, just look at DAoC and what happened AFTER they released the Trials of Atlantis expansion. In vanilla and the first expansion all you needed was the time to get to 50 and some time to farm gold so you could get the best possible gear CRAFTED for you, and then you had no more gear progression left to do and all that was left was PvP. When they released ToA that brought in mandatory PvE and gear progression to compete in PvP, people left the game in droves… so badly, in fact, that they later released servers with no ToA content to try and win people back.

This has nothing to do with being a “fanboy” either and has everything to do with actually following the development of the game and coming to play it specifically BECAUSE it has no gear treadmill and competitive PvP is all done on a level playing field with no gear advantage.

Remember that time everyone was having a friendly discussion about gear/reward/treadmill PVP philosophy and then you had to come in ranting and raving like a lunatic and half of which you were crapping on about nobody even brought up in this thread?

Sin.8174:

I love GW’s pvp and the way it’s handled. People will either adapt to a new system, or go back to something they’re used to. In my opinion, those who love pvp for the pvp mindset of skill v skill, will stick around.

I understand your point, but this is an awfully cavalier attitude to have towards PVP, a subset of gameplay which is largely driven by the number of participants, right?

We can say “if you don’t like it, go play something else” but in the end, if there aren’t enough people to participate, then pretty soon you are running around a barren landscape with nobody else to fight because they are all playing something else : )

Lucky.3870:

Killidrix.7093:

With that being said, I feel it’s short-sighted and ignorant to think that everyone should subscribe to the same motivations that you do.

However only one of the two things can happen at once, you can’t have both things at the same time. That means everyone has to go with one thing or another eventually, whether they like it or not. Maybe, that’s why we have PvP and WvW.

I agree, it’s just unfortunate that people come here asking if there are any PVP rewards, and are met with:

Ahh so not really interested in PVP, just in the unfair advanatge so you can win. Gotcha.

I like how some people define what is “fun” and “rewarding” and attempt to pass it off as though everyone should hold to the same definition, or they are some kind of low life lol…

I consider myself a goal oriented individual, when I log into a game like WoW to PVP, I know that I want to get “x” amount of honor to get that next piece of gear, so I queue up and PVP to win so I can get it faster.

The simple fact that I look forward to being rewarded with a more powerful piece of gear upon attaining my goal doesn’t mean that I don’t enjoy the PVP, or that I am only PVP’ing so I can widen a gear gap, I just like to have a goal to help keep me going.

The reality is that there are many different people who want many different things out of PVP. Sure, some want the gear gap for dubious reasons, but some just like having something to shoot for, some like hanging in vent with friends talking while PVPing together, some might like to PVP to master their class or the game.

With that being said, I feel it’s short-sighted and ignorant to think that everyone should subscribe to the same motivations that you do.