Guild Wars 2

No kitten, sherlock.
You dense son of a kitten.

If you have trouble playing against thieves just watch some thief gameplay or play as a thief a couple of times to learn their skills. You can anticipate them much easier then.

But still, this irrelevant post and the absolute ignorance the OP brought to the table are just staggering.

Thief is a High risk/High reward profession. You just need to be quick on your feet. I’m not gonna explain how to dodge, stealth and gtfo when you meet 2 warriors being a Thief, if you don’t know this you should leave Ranked/Unranked PvP alone until you learn how to pick your targets.

If you get caught in a 2vs1 against 2 warriors you made a mistake somewhere down the line. Deal with it and make sure you learn from it.

You actually said it yourself, you don’t know how to tactics….. So learn how to tactics before you start complaining how you got melted by 2 zerker warriors whilst you as being a Thief have a low health pool and very low toughness….

The logic in you is strong…..

I love this current meta. Granted, it took me some time getting used too. Playing Bunker Guardian has never been this much fun before. ‘Feel my Wrath’ brings so many fun mechanics into play. Quickness stomp/ress is so much fun and I love the number of clutch moments in a game of PvP nowadays.

The part I dislike about the current meta is the state Warrior is now in. I feel that the build diversity just took a dive. All I see is rampaging warriors jumping into the fray, such a shame although very effective.

I loved the meta before this one and felt kinda lost when everything got switched up last big patch. Now I feel like everything is slowly falling back into place.

I don’t get this. I play Bunker Guardian all the time in PvP and I don’t die that easily. I can hold out in any 1vs1 for almost infinite time. Just be smart with you cooldowns, procs and try to use Line of Sight to your advantage. Even against Burning Guards you can hold out a pretty kitten long time if you cleanse properly and know which skills to dodge and block. I just don’t get it xD Besides the support you provide is insane. Quickness stomps and Quickness Ress are extremely useful aswell and real game changers.

Don’t understand why they are Meta? Probably playing it wrong then. If my teammates aren’t total dense f***s without any sense of rotation ( which allot of people unfortunately still are) and we win the first major clash at Mid we win the match because I can just bunker down mid in any 1vs1 or 2vs1 until help arrives. If I see help won’t arrive anytime soon in a 2vs1 I simply rotate to a different point to help out.

Most of the time it isn’t even the build that’s not performing, it’s the person using it that just doesn’t use the build the right way. Most people just panic when they get a little damage on theirselves and proc every virtue they have, every shout they have and even proc Shelter. See 2 guys incoming you know you can’t hold and you dying would bring your team in a bad spot? rotate. Just standing at mid and see your team getting into a 2vs3 or 3vs4? rotate and support.

Besides, Bunker isn’t about being melted down yourself. It’s about preventing that your teammates get melted down so they can do their thing. Ofcourse you are no use to them dead though. Bunker Guardian is all about getting your team through clutch moments that make or break the match.

I might be making assumptions here about your lack of map awareness or insight in what the role of a Bunker Guardian actually is, just trying to get my point across. Not actually accusing you of being a bad player. For all I know you might be Tage xD

Well, in PvP I actually prefer Shield over Focus as a Bunker Guardian due to the CC and prot. It’s extremely useful for keeping points protected, interrupting foes and protecting teammates from stomps.

I have to agree with people that it’s offensive capabilities are extremely limited, but I like what Anet has done with the current Shield for Guardian.

In PvE is doesn’t have much use, I agree with that. So don’t use it. I use it in PvP for some fun and I like the visual aesthetics so I use it in PvE aswell.

People crying about it’s effectiveness are using it wrong. Just don’t use it in PvE if you don’t want to, PvE isn’t that hard so if you do like shield just roll with it. Everything suits casual PvE. For offensive PvP fighting as said, it’s doesnt offer any benefits over Focus. As a Bunker it does.

Shield is fine the way it is, changing it with more damage would just make it better then Focus which shouldn’t be done. Adding more healing or boons to it would be ridiculous since it already offers some interesting gameplay.

Aeolus.3615:

Btw wich weapons are u using? mace/focus?

I’m using Staff + Mace/shield.
I feel like knocking people off point with SoA and knocking people over whilst they are stomping is more useful in teamfights then those 5 extra blocks and the blind you get from Focus. Atleast it suits my playstyle more.

Hi fellow Guardians and other class peasants reading this,

I would just like to point out that I love playing Bunker Guardian in PvP even more then before. The new burst potential of other classes makes timing Aegis, evades and blocks so much more important and fun if done right. Nothing feels better then negating an entire burst.
If played right I can hold out for a decent amount of time against two players and hold them until assistance arrives.
In a 1vs1 people just can’t get me off a point.
In group fights I can actually help in clutch moments which due to the more bursty nature of my fellow teammates can be a major game changer for map control.

Before this new meta you could just pull off not dying an entire Ranked match, which was boring. With this new meta I have to pay allot more attention to other players and enemies. Loving it.

And the Elite ‘Feel my Wrath’…. I mean… wooooowww. This thing packs quite a punch. Scr*w the invulnerability the other Go-To-Elite gives. This elite shout just helps your teammates so much. I feel sooo happy when I see a quickness stomp pulled off.
Just wanted to throw some positivity out here. I think that the Guardian is extremely valuable in Ranked PvP now.

Loving the new PvP Meta for Guardian although it keeps me away from playing other classes due to the whole ‘Hit first or be killed’ mentality.

Cheers peeps.

My experiences have been a little mixed. I used to like the more slow-paced gameplay pre-patch. I’ve played with Necro and Warrior so far. Necro has always been abysmal so no change there. Warrior however did have certain roles it was good at like the Shoutbow for holding points and support, which opened up more options for other teammates. I feel the roles people can take have been limited to 2 roles, condi or power. The damage everybody can dish out is just absurd in my opinion. You can argue that it now requires more skill and I agree, but the balance is just gone.

Maybe it’s just a matter of letting it sink in and adjust and accept PvP is a completely different animal now. I for one hope it’s not.

Kagamiku.9731:

The funny thing is condition builds do so much condition damage that you instantly die to them. Shatter mesmers putting 20stacks of confusion on torment on you is nothing short of ridiculous.

This has been my experience aswell. It’s just cray cray.

Morwath.9817:

Condi builds? I see everywhere ‘you instantly die’ burst specs.

Hopefully more people have that experience, would mean I’m wrong. Praise to Balthazar.

Hello fellow PvP’ers,

I got into PvP 4 months ago, I’m now around 600 matches in with my Guardian, Necro and Warrior. I was finally used to running Power Necro, GS/LB zerker and MediGuard/Altruistic Bunker. Finally knowing what types of builds I could kill, stalemate or had to run from. I always detested running or playing against condi builds, I’m more of a raw power kind of player.

This is where my Topic title comes into play. I’ve played around 20 matches since yesterday’s patch and almost everywhere I look in PvP I see condi builds. This is making my stomach itch with a burning hatred that will slowly consume my soul if this continues. Now I know that the damage has been increased across the board, surviving with a zerker warrior is now actually a big challenge with a big payoff if you can nuke someone down. This goes for everything and everyone I guess.

Now I believe there will be a couple of balance patches coming up, happens sometimes after such a huge gamechanging patch like yesterday.

I would hate it if condi builds are gonna become prominent in PvP’s meta, which definitely seems like it. It might actually keep me away from PvP. It’s just not my style of gameplay that I would like to be involved in.

Are my concerns about PvP fair, or will there continue to be a decent balance like pre-patch?

You will always have smack talk in Multiplayer games haha, it’s not something you can just solve with a 1vs1 system.

It would offer a fun dynamic to the game although it would have to be carefully thought-out. Like, go to a pretty secluded place and/or have some sort of mini arena appear on the spot. Maximum of 3 mini arena’s at a time in one map, something like that would kick *ss.

If Anet would want to put something like this into the game they might first create a system to save your builds, like they had in GW1. That would make it much easier to access 1vs1 builds and setups, but that’s a whole other topic hehe.

This dude……

I actually find the balance pretty ok at the moment, just learn what you can take with your class and build and what you need to disengage from. Hell, when I see a turret engi or a D/P Thief or any heavy condi hitter I just rotate to another point with my GS/LB zerker Warrior.

The OP is a prime example of a guy who can’t take the fact that he might just not be as good in PvP as he lets himself to believe. Shame on him that he needs to vent on a official forum…..

If you are having trouble fighting Meditation Guardians this video will help, what might also help is try playing with one for awhile. When you have played with a certain class and build you will get to know it’s weaknesses. Go back to your favorite class and now you know how to fight them Tadaaaaa

I have to say I’m getting more and more irritated by the fact that noobies (Let’s just call ‘m that for the sake of keeping it classy xD) are ruining my PvP experience. I’m all for this ‘keeping the community together’ talk, but maybe the reason PvP population is abysmal could be due to the fact that ranked solo queue players actually get horrible gameplay in ranked PvP.

It’s hard getting a decent group together for structured PvP and the queue for that is horrible aswell.

Never mind the fact that I have to wait a solid 3 minutes for a ranked match, I can actually live with that. The thing that I’m having difficulty with is the experience I get after waiting these 3 minutes. Getting teamed up with 1, 2 or even 3 horrible PvP’ers is not really fun. Granted, the opposing team should have the same problems. It does make Ranked PvP a nightmare for me, and I still actually sometimes enjoy it.

I actually used to be a PvE noobie myself when I got into the PvP-scene, got my *ss kicked in Unranked so I first practiced in Custom Arena’s. Maybe this should be a requirement for new PvP’ers?

Win 15 matched custom, Win 15 matches Unranked before they unlock Ranked Arena or something like that, shouldn’t be to sperating for the community right?

I love how PvP works when there are actually 10 decent players in a Ranked Match, that does not happen often enough though. It only logical there will always be skill gaps when the PvP population is abysmal, but maybe they would be a little smaller with a certain way of not letting new PvP’ers just roll into Ranked Arena without actually ever experiencing PvP at all.

Let’s end on a positive note though, when PvP works, it works brilliantly. Besides that I believe that the devs are aware of this and maybe even experience it themselves sometimes. Fingers crossed they figure out a way to make everybody happy, noobies and veterans alike.

Same happens on my end. Everything was working fine 12 hours ago, now I get the Error Code 7:1000:7006:462

Dael Badwell, hmmm. I’ll allow it with a 7,5/10
I like your front name but dislike the last name a little due to the word ‘Bad’, it’s a little unoriginal.

My Guardian’s name is Alistairion.
Orphan from a noble family that was brutally murdered, he grew up in the streets. Never forgetting his families last name, although never wearing it because the pain is, even after all these years, too much to bear.
He strives to uphold justice and exact his own justice when needed, always dignified and fair.