Guild Wars 2

I honestly doubt ANet will give a timeline when this will be fixed. Or even put it in patch notes when it is fixed because it is so much of a kitten up. (I actually typed kitten there :p)

Props to them if they make it widely known when it’s fixed.

Last in first out is still in place… along with some other craziness.

Currently you can move HIGH quantities of items if you simply sell in small increments.

Example:

Post 250 copper ore, at going sell price. Can take days to sell. Post 50 ore at a time and it sells within minutes.

You have to wait until that 50 ore sell though. Otherwise it appears the trading post ends up lumping your sells together. So if you post 50 ore 5 times it ends up taking just as long as posting once with 250 ore.

I assume this is why the servers wen’t down and BLTC is not accessible. ETA on when it will be up?

You sir are a hilarious troll. This is a video game, not real life. Freaking comedian! You are killing me! Take responsibilities for failures in a VIDEO GAME where you are here to have fun? Baaaahahahaha.

But I digress.

Your assumptions are paramount. I’m already very successful in this game (200g+ earned so far) , I’m just proposing a change that I see as annoying and from my perspective damaging to the game in the long run. An extension of a person’s attitude to challenges that he/she will face now and in the future? Again. Game =/= real life. You have no idea how old anyone are on these threads. They could be very well much older than you are, having more than likely vast more life experiences than you do. Unless you also are an aged, generally wise, individual. They could also be very much less younger than you are which is what appears you believe everyone are because they are suggesting things they see wrong with the game and proposing solutions. For reasons I can’t understand. Refute them all you want. Refute them until the day you die for all I care. I would suggest you leave your assumptions and quit relating games to real life.

Cantankerous ol’ coot.

Yes. I’m assuming. Does it make you upset or angry? Who cares? Exactly! Because it should be left out of discussions related to video games. Especially ones with a proposed solution instead of just whining and kittening.

My proposed 2-5 day timer before you can get your 5% back if your item doesn’t sell is basically a “time-out” / “punishment” for players who are reckless. They will not benefit from whatever they are trying to sell during that time and have to re-evaluate what they are going to post it at next time. I personally would lean more towards the 5 days to make it “stick” more.

Esrever.8613:

Keeping an item in there doesn’t do anything against the economy. If someone under cuts you and your item doesn’t sell, it just means your item doesn’t deserve to be that price. Having to pay something up front is reasonable for people to put items at prices that are reasonable for the buyers. If you want something sold and not lose money, sell at what people will buy it for.

I see no big problem here except people don’t like watching money just go but I like this system since it promotes lower prices for people buying.

It does hurt the economy. The players who end up having items stuck on the trading post even when they post something A REASONABLE PRICE but are undercut 30 times by 1 copper each they are not getting revenue from the item sell to put back into the economy. The item will be there FOREVER as people continue undercutting. Supply will > demand for every item in the game very soon.

5% is perfectly fine IF the item sells. If the item doesn’t sell it’s just a money sink not needed any way you end up dealing with it that will just frustrate players.

Just take yourself for example. Say you find an lvl 80 exotic weapon while playing (or you craft one). You go to the trading post and see that there are 200 of this weapon for sell, with 90% being within 10s of each other. So to make it sell you post anywhere from 1c-10s off the cheapest. 10s is a reasonable cut off the bottom price to get it sold. So you do that. Yet before it sells two people undercut you for the same price margin. One sells and then yours is second to be sold. Great! But then 10 more people do the same thing. All within a 24 hour period. Now you face leaving the item there or taking it off and eating the 5% charge. Either way you lose. Not because you priced the item “too high”, but because it’s a global market with a lot of competition. Should you be punished for this ?? NO!!! You can’t expect your average player to know the general going price for every item in the game at all times. Players will look at the current going and selling price and leave it at that.

Do you get upset? Maybe, maybe not. Do you get upset when it happens to 90% of your items. Probably. So what do you do next time? Post it for 15s, 20s, 50s? under the bottom price to make sure you don’t get screwed again. Probably. Take this x100 and you have items crash in price real quick which then = less potential revenue for ANet which is bad for the players.

Esrever.8613:

Well I think having the 5% commitment is a good thing since it makes people more incline to think before they post an item. It allows people to actually buy something for highest buying price instead of everything being dumped as high as people feel like.

In a global economy anyone dumping as high as they feel like doesn’t harm anything. Obviously the item won’t sell because there are dozens, hundreds, thousands, or more of that item with people competitively trying to sell.

Charging people for trying to sell items at a reasonable price (what most players would do) with the high likelihood of getting undercut and their items not selling (potentially forever) and then losing money if they take it off does harm the economy.

Esrever.8613:

People will buy the items if there is demand for it. If the demand overcomes the supply it doesn’t matter if people undercut because items will get sold.

If there isn’t a 5%, people will perpetually take items out and relist it lower and lowering the price anyways. I don’t see a problem unless you are trying to sell things with very low demand and supply increasing greatly.

Once again I’m not proposing to take the 5% out completely. Read OP – First few lines.

Wazabi.1439:

Jealousy and failure to admit that you are bad at something are quite often the hidden motivation that drives any cries for changes.

Now that I see this post from Wazabi I’ve classified him as a troll. He is trolling my thread that has somewhat to do with this as well.

Remember people. Wazabi = Troll

All this will do is continue to frustrate players. It is very reasonable to expect that an item you have will sell on the auction house if you put it up for what is currently the going price.

Once more players do the above and their items don’t sell. Frustration ensues. Now guess what happens when they realize they won’t get a refund if they pull that item off the trading post. They get mad. Especially since whatever profit they might have had is now “spent” because they got undercut. This especially goes for people crafting items to sell on the trading post for very minimal gains.

What would players normally do when taking items off the trading post would make it so they lose money? They will leave them up with “hope” that it will sell eventually. This will cause items to continually drop in prices with a very low bottom end. Why? Because no one wants their items to be on the auction house forever, or lose money if they take it off. So everyone will be posting items at what they consider “low” to get it moved. Thus perpetuating the drop in prices.

This happens to ALL items once more people reach max level and there is an overabundance of ALL items. Which is very bad for ANet. Profits they hope to have from players buying gems to convert to gold drops drastically. Would they rather have someone who really wants to craft a legendary weapon or what have you spend $20 dollars to help them achieve that goal, or someone spend $2 dollars to do it. Or not spend any money at all because everything is so cheap.

Now all the players who thoroughly enjoy using the trading post to make money have left the game as well because what they enjoy the most is destroyed. Resulting in more lost potential revenue.

Your position Wazabi I would consider is a very “hardcore” position. MMO games don’t make boat loads of money catering to the “hardcore”…

My proposal I feel is still very agreeable. As I said before punishing players for attempting to sell items for what the current market value is, whilst everyone will want to undercut or be screwed, is a bad idea.

I see your point. Touche. Later posts do clear that up though. So yeah.

Edited OP with suggestion first

zaerk.2305:

If you remove the 5% posting fee then people with more time can just continually 1c you, making it far worst trying to sell anything.

Also yes it should be first in, first out. I don’t know how aNet could make such a mistake.

Is anyone actually reading what I propose for a fix?!

I don’t want the free removed!!! /eyeroll

Wazabi.1439:

I didn’t want anything…just stating that these changes change nothing other than making it less painful for mistakes, while at the same time might be bad for the economy. No fee makes it easier to manipulate the market…but it is debatable that if the market is sufficiently active, it cannot be manipulated even without the fees. As for timed listing, doesn’t change the prime determinant of price…so you won’t get to sell your item at a higher price magically.

I’m saying this in the context that people are asking for change because they think the changes will allow them to sell for more.

If your context is about the cost of mistakes, then I agree that your proposal will make it less costly…but I believe that every mistake must be punished so that people can learn and adapt…and those that can’t…well…Darwin’s theory is all I can say.

How about ANet implementing a 5% posting fee for PURCHASE orders if your so about punishing players from trying to sell items for very reasonable prices but get undercut by 1 copper ten times?

All the 5% posting fee is currently doing in its current form is stifling players reasonable expectations to sell items for what they are worth without a possible gamble of having items stuck for DAYS because people are willing to sell for 10copper cheaper.

I think a 5% upfront cost is acceptable as long as the auctions are refundable within 2-5 days if they don’t sell.

There is also a MAJOR problem with how the trading post fulfills trades.

I can confirm both of these MAJOR problems. They are the same concept just changing buying and selling.

When you put in a purchase order for any item. If you post at the same price as the highest current purchase order YOUR order will be fulfilled FIRST, not LAST as one would expect.

Same with selling. If you post something for say 2gold, and it has been on the trading post for 2 days. If someone else comes along and posts the same item at 2gold THEIR item will sell first, even though yours has been on the trading post for TWO DAYS!!!!!

It should be first in first out, not last in first out. Ludicrous!

Or if you want, still have them last indefinitely, but after a set time you get a refund if you cancel them. Whatever that set time may be.

I know exactly the price of the items I’m selling. 551 successful sales say so. Of course the prices can change, that’s expected. I just want the opportunity to get my money OUT of the trading post without feeling like I’m getting screwed six ways ’till Sunday.

How about a compromise? Still have the posting fee but have auctions last for only a specific time instead of indefinitely.

**Edit to put my suggestion up first…

I suggest that the 5% posting fee remain. But after a set amount of time that ANet decides on (I suggest 2-5days) you can get your posting fee back so your items are not up on the trading post forever with people undercutting by 1copper.

Discuss.

I’ll start. The posting fee has totally halted all of my income from the trading post. A few days ago I could consistently sell items on the trading post within a day. Now that more items (especially higher level items) are being posted as people reach higher levels; the undercutting is heinous. Today I’ve posted items 10s under the lowest seller (in an attempt to get items to move) but within a few hours I have been undercut anywhere from two to ten times. Usually by 1 copper increments.

This is by all means fair. It’s a trading post after all and there is going to be competition. But when I had to pay 20silver to post this item, 10s for that item, 15s for this other item, 5s for that item over there… you get the picture. Stick it out and hope that my item sells after all the undercuts sell (unlikely in the current market if there are more than 10 undercuts) or take the item off the trading post, directly eating the cost of posting in the first place, and attempt to sell again. God forbid I get undercut after a second posting, or a third posting…

It has essentially “locked up” all of my money. For people who are big on markets and making money it has made me not want to play. If there was no posting fee I would still be playing a much as I was. I could take down my items, re-post them if I felt so inclined, or give them to the guild bank or to friends, or use them items myself ect… instead of feeling completely helpless because of the posting fee.

I used to buy 450gems for 1g12s. Now 450gems costs me ~1g90s. OP is herp ddeerrpp.

So prices for gems are not going to go down unless people start selling gems for gold??

I’m afraid they will just continue to go up and up and up then…

ANet has to make money I guess.

The GLOBAL economy depends on it!

But seriously. If we had server based trading posts you wouldn’t be competing with so many people to make this that much of an issue. In the GLOBAL market it’s just ludicrous.

We need a response on this one. If it really is last in first out it needs to change IMMEDIATELY

Also this is a problem somewhat related to this.

Any update on this Andrew?? 9/14/12 patch just hit and this didn’t get fixed

I was just looking at this and the Box of Berserker’s Barbaric Armor is the same thing. It takes 10 insignias to craft when if you made all the pieces separately it would take 6 insigias.

Needs to be fixed!

I just had this happen as well. I got to the end and the chest was already open…

I wonder if it has anything to do with 100% completing the zone before getting to the chest…