Guild Wars 2

Lol, I believe it needs to be resdesigned as well, but in it’s current state, the argument is correct to a certain degree, no? It doesn’t change my argument that the nerf to Endure Pain was pretty big, and that something else needs to be buffed in order to compensate. Also, in all seriousness warrior falls off pretty hard when people know how to play against it. For example, thief can engage a warrior, take their invulnerabilities and quickly disengage to return and mop up the rest after the invulnerabilities run out. In any case, that is an aside, I agree warrior needs a rework, but what Anet did just made it hard to play warrior in this meta. They literally looked at all the meta skills, and nerfed every single one, LOL, completely crushing warrior (Arc Divider, Skull Bash, Headbutt, Endure Pain, and Healing Signet). This simply isn’t a good way to balance.

The true weakness of warrior is the lack of variability in the builds. You cannot run warrior without Endure Pain and Berserker’s Stance, and Endure Pain was hit hard, therefore, the warrior in general was hit pretty hard. No one can argue against the fact that warrior has little build diversity, and it it easy to anticipate what a warrior that engages on you will be running. Knowing that they will get an Endure Pain proc at 50% HP allows you to back off as soon as you hit 50%, and when they don’t have their other Endure Pain (if you pay attention to CDs) you can finish them off easy. Any good player knows how to kite which is the ultimate counter to warrior and because of these reasons they are fairly weak IMO, and I felt they were ok before this nerf personally. Take my viewpoints with a grain of salt though, I was a warrior main and I felt I played it quite decently, and will still play it decently regardless of the nerfs or not.

Pliss no more nerfs. In all seriousness though, I understand why those skills and traits were nerfed, but warrior is such a poorly executed class, no offence to Anet, that nerfing those traits were like taking the keystone from an arch. Hopefully better changes will be made in the future for all classes. :^/

I agree that ideally most passive procs should be removed, it doesn’t encourage good gameplay. I just feel like this was a major blow to warrior, although I haven’t done my research on other classes like elementalist.

Well, I agree with that as well but I still believe maintaining the 60 second CD on the traited Endure Pain on warrior is a huge contributing factor to their downfall this meta. I still believe the trait should be looked at, because in higher tier play warriors will not be very viable anymore, because people understand how to fight warriors at that level. Warrior will still probably be strong for lower tiers because people don’t understand the conventions of fighting warrior. Anyways, you have held me see something that has been bothering me since the patch in a new light, and I appreciate that! :^D

Also, they reduced the duration to 2 seconds, I understand the idea for this was to make Endure Pain more of an active thing rather than passive, but if that was the case they should have just reworked that trait honestly. I guess what I am trying to say is that this balance was poorly thought out, but you were correct in the CD argument.

Well we could go into the very specific situations of each skills and trait, including that Haste is not meta in thief builds for PvP, but I wanted to argue that this change seemed poorly though out, and I believe it shows through these recent changes.

It seems to me like a haphazard change that is one of the factors that pretty much destroyed warrior in this meta as of now.

Ah, you are correct, but this would lead me off into another tangent. The CD disparities are much longer, 30 seconds for the Endure Pains, and only 10 seconds for Haste. I think that since this skill is such a critical one for all meta warrior builds, I feel as if it should have been looked at more in depth. In the overarching argument though I have to admit you were right.

Take note that this is a PvP change only, and I meant to clarify that I meant PvP only, in case people may forget this was posted in the PvP forums. In line with this amendment, I mean that the PvP trait should be reworked in accordance with the changes to the Endure Pain in PvP only.

I don’t post much on the forums, but I saw something that I feel probably isn’t right and was maybe overlooked when balancing warrior. The Endure Pain skill for warrior was reduced to 30 seconds with a 2 second duration, but the warrior trait in the Defense line, Defy Pain, is still 60 seconds, even though it procs the warrior skill Endure Pain. I was wondering if this was intentional as I was under the assumption that since it actually procs the skill Endure Pain, that it would be fitting if this trait was on a 30 second CD like the reworked Endure Pain.

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Silver Kings and Golden Queens is looking for people who prefer to spend their time in one guild, and we have an active core of dedicated members. We would love to have you and expand our core if you are interested! We are active mainly at night in NA timezones, but we have a couple AU and EU people in our guild.

What we Offer:

-Dungeons! If you need a dungeon, let us know and we will try our best to help you out in it!

-Fractals run daily! If you are new to fractals, or are looking for a team to do them with, here in SKGQ we do all tiers daily and we are willing to help others out!

-Raids! We already have a people dedicated to creating gear in order to beat the raids, and if you are interested in doing this content, we can definitely work you into our groups if you are willing to put in the effort in learning the encounters and maximizing your potential! We raid Thur and Sat at 7:30 PM CST, and after guild missions on Friday! We do ask for meta builds, but if you have an idea let us know and we can try it out!

-sPvP! If you need a team to PvP with, we have a couple of people who are pretty serious about PvP, and if you are looking to be competitive or learn PvP, we can help! We have a couple of people who even made legendary!

-Guild missions! We do guild missions every Friday at 7:30 PM CST, raids follow after!
As a guild we do not really participate in WvW, so if you are ok with not really doing WvW as a guild, and do not mind repping us and not having a WvW guild, that is what all of our members do.

Guild Rules:

-99% rep: We believe interacting with each other on a daily basis helps the guild have a more tight-knit base, and this is what we want. If you need to rep a guild that does world boss, or to do missions if you cannot meet on our time, just let us know!

-No discrimination: Here at SKGQ we have people from all walks of life, and discrimination will not be tolerated. If you are caught breaking this rule, you will be kicked immediately from the guild.

-Maturity: While we do not have an age requirement, we expect all members to be mature and to act like adults. The guild can sometime be silly, but being mature is knowing the line between having fun and being just plain immature.

Voice Chat:

We use Teamspeak and Discord for Raids, PvP, and sometimes just to hang out! Details are provided on joining the guild. If SKGQ sounds like a guild you would like to join, feel free to contact me, Lionheart.7462, with an in-game e-mail!

Alternate Contacts:

Archangel Israafiyl

Archdemon Israafiyl

Having Heart of Thorns (the GW2 expansion) is recommended!

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