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- Ingame Mail Cash on Delivery, would enable safe transactions (trade) outside the Trading Post, and therefore without the commissions.
They removed direct person to person trading purposely. I don’t see them implementing it in this round-about-way when they want you to use the trading post.
Haha, yeah I know how unlikely it is. Regardless, I listed it because it is something I feel is missing.
The biggest thing PvP needs is other modes. I know why Anet did what they did (they didn’t want to divide the playerbase and wanted to make the game easier to follow as an esport) but it’s not working. It’s not hold the interest of all or even most PvPers. It holds MY interest and I’m not a PvPer, so there’s something definitely wrong. lol
I couldn’t agree more
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Some of my favorite pvp arenas in GW1 were AB, FA, and JQ. These revolved around taking points, defending points, and retaking those points if lost. (Arguable for FA depending on side, but lets face it for Kurzick, you cap the amber, kill the turtle and fix the door. For Luxon, you defend the turtle, cap the amber, and break down the door. Still capping and defending here) Perhaps this makes me a -non-true’ pvper, but meh.
I do agree that GW2 needs some additional modes. I’d be perfectly content if they would take a page out of the old GW1 book for arena modes: RA, GVG, HA.
That’s why I wrote that taste “can differ”, and I’m happy to see that! I never played GW1 so I’m probably overlooking some details about the maps, but I understand the general point you are making. I’m very happy that you agree with me on the need for additional modes.
this game PvP is dead.
faceroll balances dosent helping her.
What would help is constructive, polite and well written critique
It’s not difficult at all, look at GW1, sooo many modes. These guys will have a lot to answer for when games like Wildstar get released, now maybe the combat at it’s core won’t be as polished or well refined as GW2 but omg the modes! From 2v2 to 40v40! That’s practically everything this game has then tripled. I love wvw in this game but recently unless 20 of my guys are on I don’t go in because falling with a random zerg is no fun, and I really don’t like the spvp format either, its too hard fought, where is the fun?
Give me 2v2,3v3,5v5 DM and 10v10 to 40v40 objective game and I will play all day long.
The point is, if there is another game, similar but inferior but with more content to keep me busy… Well I know where I would end up.
Again, I never played GW1 so I cannot fully relate, but all the modes you speak of would be amazing to play. I can really relate to the lack of will to play unless a large number of guildmates/friends are online. In terms of Wildstar, I’m very sceptical to how these games presumably will compete, given that they are both (GW2 & Wildstar) owned by NCsoft. It would be in NCsoft’s best interest to diversify their games, and their gaming experiences, so maybe that would be the very reason that they are reluctant to make a guild versus guild pvp mode (assuming one will get it in Wildstar instead).
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Title: My personal views on the future of PVP in GW2, and other desired game aspects
Preface: I do not intend to get infracted for this post. (Move the topic if needed, but it is meant as a civil discussion.) This is merely a very active player posting his opinions about the current state of PVP and hopes for the future of PVP, all respectful and in accordance with https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/rules. I also apologise in advance for this long rant. In my defence, this is my 9th forum post, and I have over 1850 hours played.
About PVP: First of all, Anet has made a great game, with great pvp. This is in no way intended to belittle that. I only seek to point out possible improvements as I see them. As I see it, all the pvp modes (spvp & wvw) of this game revolve around defending points: rings (spvp) or towers with rings in them (wvw).
What a true pvp’er really seeks in a game can differ, but in my opinion it is confrontation, or a way to directly show or measure skill. This is all in favor of PVP modes that make offense or assualt the superior choice.
The way this game currently works, such behavior is not properly rewarded, and thus not the logical thing to do, in order to win. I hope that this will either change in the future, or that game modes where it is more true will be made available.
Example – Spvp: The winning team is the team that plays strategically best in capping and defending points, and not necessarily the team with the players that are the best in combat.
Example – WvW: The winning server is the server that plays strategically best in capping and defending keeps/towers, running supply, and not necessarily the server with the players that are the best in combat. The winning server is also an arrowcart .
Simply put: I want to see a game mode where more individual skill is needed, where better teamplay is needed, and where deaths matter more. Now, this may sound like a difficult task, but what I ask for is actually very simple:
I could for example take the form of a simple 5v5 deathmatch, where there are no respawns until one team is wiped out or a timer goes down (and then either a winning point is counted, or a draw – if equal number of players are alive when timer ends). Then there could be multiple rounds, with best out of 5 rounds, or similar.
Similarily, one could do exactly the same, but at a guild level, 25v25, which is probably the most desired feature amongst active players, that the game does not currently have.
I would very much like to see some simpler spvp modes also. An example would be a simple point A to point capture the flag, which would promote coordinated teamplay, with spiking, control and tanking. Currently Spvp has the orb, but I seek a more pure capture the flag mode, where one absolutely has to retrieve or capture the flag, as that is the only key to victory. Yes, I’m reminiscing
My main point about pvp is that given that I, with my limited creativity, can come up with something like this, I hope that you, Anet, can dedicate some resources to something like this, and come up with better (or more ideas). I also hope I clearly demonstrate which type of PVP gameplay it is that I miss.
I don’t know if you are aware, but most PVP’ers are content starved (atleast the hardcore ones I know). I would gladly pay for more PVP content, and not minor tweaks on existing content (of the type we are seeing currently). I do not mean to belittle your efforts with this, since they are extremely appreciated! I just really need that Guild versus Guild
Earlier my friends suggested an asuran anti-siege device for wvw, that would disable the use of siege within a certain range. As I see it, holding a tower becomes easier and easier, which makes for more and more dull gameplay (in my opinion), so any step in the other direction development wise would be extremely appreciated.
Other game aspects / suggestions:
- Inspecting other characters equipment, necessary for serious guilds wvw/pve, and pug pve.
- Ingame Mail Cash on Delivery, would enable safe transactions (trade) outside the Trading Post, and therefore without the commissions.
- Revamping some legenary skins, personally I dislike the metallic / flat look of the Bifrost for example.
- An action bar on the right hand side of the screen (maybe 5 slots?), as an optional part of the interface – for food, oils, and gear (for quicker use, gearswap).
Other than that, you are doing everything correctly, and that is alot, so congratulations =)
Warning: I might edit this when I wake up again, to make it even longer, especially the last section
PLEASE KEEP THE REPLIES CIVIL
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referring to post https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Game-Improvement-Suggestions/page/17#post542326
quoted below directly(with “start quote” and “end quote” written) from original thread as seen in link above (since three level nested quotation disappears):
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Do something about WVW..
quote from https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Night-Capping-and-YOU/page/23
Players should not be punished or unable to experience and view the same content as everyone else because they play at a different time. They too are paying customers.
This is not saying that we are against any adjustment to scoring, or against developing another mechanic to improve the capping system. This is simply saying that we will not be changing WvW based on some players’ idea of off time hours.
- Players need more rewards for WvW.
- Players need to be given opportunities to break out of their base when they are trapped in by a wall of arrow carts.
- Guilds need a better reason to claim and HOLD objectives.
- Commanders need to be rewarded for their success and need to be able to reward their followers in turn.
- And so and and so forth.
Sadly you are missing the main issue. Imagine playing on my server, where the night population in WvW is non existent, and during peak hours it’s full with queues (like most servers I presume). Now, if you can only play during peak like me, then you will usually get in with a minimal amount of patience, and experience fairly balanced teams. However, if you still want to play on my server, but you can only play during off-peak due to physical location, work hours and so on, then you’ll be met with 0 potential points in an unbalanced game with hardly any other players on your team – which means the exact opposite “experience”. I would probably never play WvW if I had to play off-peak.
Now to my main point, the reason I said that you are missing the main issue is that you are essentially just trying to incentivize players to play during the night (off-peak). Most people don’t really have that luxurious option. So it’s not really going to fix the problem itself.
The problem itself is that although a lvl1 versus lvl80 in WvW should be slightly unbalanced, Server 1 versus Server 2 versus Server 3 should be balanced at all times in terms of “server strength” in order for it to be enjoyable to people playing off-peak. What this means is that as I see it, you have a few options:
1 Either scale the potential points up for the server that is outnumbered so that the effect of night capping is much smaller
2 Or reduce the minimum amount of players to the server with the least players (so that it is actually balanced).
3 Or increase the difference between maximum players of servers during peak to even out the effect of night capping
4 Or simply make the outmanned buff so that players become more powerful, and can give some meaningful resistance during off-peak.
I do however agree that options 2 and 3 are quite bad choices. My personal favourite is 4, if it is implemented correctly: for example higher attack/health but not healing or something clever like that. There should also be other options that I can’t think of right now.
PS: I love you ANET.
Other than that,
*Legendary defenders in WVW should hit all pets.
*Give elementalist back a very small cooldown on the downed ability Vapor Form, to prevent it from being used unintentionally due to lag (trying to press ability 2 while alive, then dieing and using Vapor Form unintetionally instead). A good cooldown would be 0.5-1sec, which would not affect balance.
*Air attunement trait (25trait points) Electric Discharge should now longer hit yellow/neutral monsters. It is very frustrating when one switches to Air attunement to run away from a zerg, but Electric Discharge hits a neutral monster – which puts you in combat and reduces runspeed (which gets you killed).
*Clipping in WVW………………………………. need I say more?
*One should be able to sort the guild rooster by account name.
I’ll be back with more some other time, since I care about this game
oh, the forum code needs some review: notice the top saying “JonPeters.5630:
Matt Witter.6982:” it should say “Loke.1429:
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Do something about WVW..
quote from https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Night-Capping-and-YOU/page/23
Players should not be punished or unable to experience and view the same content as everyone else because they play at a different time. They too are paying customers.
This is not saying that we are against any adjustment to scoring, or against developing another mechanic to improve the capping system. This is simply saying that we will not be changing WvW based on some players’ idea of off time hours.
- Players need more rewards for WvW.
- Players need to be given opportunities to break out of their base when they are trapped in by a wall of arrow carts.
- Guilds need a better reason to claim and HOLD objectives.
- Commanders need to be rewarded for their success and need to be able to reward their followers in turn.
- And so and and so forth.
Sadly you are missing the main issue. Imagine playing on my server, where the night population in WvW is non existent, and during peak hours it’s full with queues (like most servers I presume). Now, if you can only play during peak like me, then you will usually get in with a minimal amount of patience, and experience fairly balanced teams. However, if you still want to play on my server, but you can only play during off-peak due to physical location, work hours and so on, then you’ll be met with 0 potential points in an unbalanced game with hardly any other players on your team – which means the exact opposite “experience”. I would probably never play WvW if I had to play off-peak.
Now to my main point, the reason I said that you are missing the main issue is that you are essentially just trying to incentivize players to play during the night (off-peak). Most people don’t really have that luxurious option. So it’s not really going to fix the problem itself.
The problem itself is that although a lvl1 versus lvl80 in WvW should be slightly unbalanced, Server 1 versus Server 2 versus Server 3 should be balanced at all times in terms of “server strength” in order for it to be enjoyable to people playing off-peak. What this means is that as I see it, you have a few options:
1 Either scale the potential points up for the server that is outnumbered so that the effect of night capping is much smaller
2 Or reduce the minimum amount of players to the server with the least players (so that it is actually balanced).
3 Or increase the difference between maximum players of servers during peak to even out the effect of night capping
4 Or simply make the outmanned buff so that players become more powerful, and can give some meaningful resistance during off-peak.
I do however agree that options 2 and 3 are quite bad choices. My personal favourite is 4, if it is implemented correctly: for example higher attack/health but not healing or something clever like that. There should also be other options that I can’t think of right now.
PS: I love you ANET.
Other than that,
*Legendary defenders in WVW should hit all pets.
*Give elementalist back a very small cooldown on the downed ability Vapor Form, to prevent it from being used unintentionally due to lag (trying to press ability 2 while alive, then dieing and using Vapor Form unintetionally instead). A good cooldown would be 0.5-1sec, which would not affect balance.
*Air attunement trait (25trait points) Electric Discharge should now longer hit yellow/neutral monsters. It is very frustrating when one switches to Air attunement to run away from a zerg, but Electric Discharge hits a neutral monster – which puts you in combat and reduces runspeed (which gets you killed).
*Clipping in WVW………………………………. need I say more?
*One should be able to sort the guild rooster by account name.
I’ll be back with more some other time, since I care about this game
oh, the forum code needs some review: notice the top saying “JonPeters.5630:
Matt Witter.6982:” it should say “Loke.1429:
Matt Witter.6982:”