Guild Wars 2

nvm apparently some people can get back in now,

Sooooo, i log on today and find that there are lots of people including myself that cannot join the WvW servers, unfortunately for us it doesn’t appear to be stopping our rival servers joining…… we are currently sitting on Zero points.

naphack.9346:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Luke.8295:

Yawn…..wake up and everything is green, figures…….

Well it is springtime.

Heh…
Looking over to my own matchup, I am afraid, spring time started here too

Yea – Anet need to fix Spring time is ridiculous, and have they solved world famine yet? i’m sure it was raised in a post like aaaages ago!

slackers…..

Yawn…..wake up and everything is green, figures…….

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

Who is the HoD Responsible for taking my bay and garrison while i was busy with SF?

My finger slipped and dropped a golem….

Manoa.5897:

Luke.8295:

Manoa.5897:

Luke.8295:

Oh they didn’t “change” the system they “adjusted” it ah I see now!

I don’t think anyone for a minute was suggesting you move a guild from T1-6 into Tier 8, but moving SF up high enough to give them some competition is sure the right thing to do for all parties concerned, and move everyone else down one place.

Nothankyouverymuch. ANet did what they had to do to help the Glicko Ghetto and close the gap between T8 and T7. It’s a bandaid fix until they come up with a permanent solution to the entire ranking system. No further rating adjustments should be made unless another Glicko Ghetto issue is seen in one of the tiers. And sorry, T7 just doesn’t seem to be experiencing Glicko Ghetto right now. Now if we find ourselves stuck in this tier for an extended period of time and are winning by large margins for the majority of the time, then let’s talk.

To make further rating adjustments to just SF just because you’re unhappy we’re here is unfair to the other servers in the ladder and robs us of the opportunity to learn/grow as a server. The Glicko Ghetto is resolved (for now)…the rest of our rating progression should be on our own steam.

Didn’t you get bored of dominating underpopulated servers in T8? dont get me wrong I take nothing away from you guys you show up to WvW in force week in week out and that deserves respect but surely you would like some competition in terms of numbers? all Anet seem to have done is “moved the problem” it isn’t a fix of any sorts not even short term. SF are still in exactly the same position as before, but HoD and NSP are now in the position of ET and FC.

Yes, we did get bored dominating underpopulated servers in T8. Hence why we’re seeing a WvW resurgence on our server now that we’re in T7 and are seeing a LOT of names that we haven’t seen in a long time.

But you guys are by no means “underpopulated” and are nowhere near the position that ET and FC were when we were in T8. We were winning by 200K margins (on average) in that tier. That is not happening here. You guys are more of a challenge than pre-server transfer ET and FC and are FAR more populated. Also, and your ratings are not beaten so down into the dirt like ET and FC, so I hightly doubt your scores will be a huge rating drag for whoever ends up in the first place spot. This ain’t no Glicko Ghetto.

HoD had transfers open at the same time as ET & FC I have no doubt that NSP have similar numbers to us.

Its not happening here yet, and to anyone that says “do something about it” its a joke, there is nothing any amount of skill can do vs huge zergs in every BL. (ask your buddies ET&FC)

As I mentioned before Attack/defend 1 keep/tower and get faced by huge defense while 2-3 other towers/keeps are being zerged down. With the numbers HoD & NSP have we cannot be in 3 places at once. I’m bored of repeating myself, you know what i mean even if you do not chose to admit it.

I hope the system works and SF move up and out to servers that are of similar population to theirs. Why we need to “wait” for weeks to allow this to happen “naturally” is beyond me. However remember that T6 teams do not have to follow suit and if their ratings stay above yours in the “honeymoon period” of T7 you will end up in the exact same situation as T8, where week on week you dominate but your rating will become stagnant. (Flaws of the system) as HoD & NSP rating will decline down to nothing, thus just expanding the boundary of the ghetto to T7 as well.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Luke.8295:

Manoa.5897:

Luke.8295:

Oh they didn’t “change” the system they “adjusted” it ah I see now!

I don’t think anyone for a minute was suggesting you move a guild from T1-6 into Tier 8, but moving SF up high enough to give them some competition is sure the right thing to do for all parties concerned, and move everyone else down one place.

Nothankyouverymuch. ANet did what they had to do to help the Glicko Ghetto and close the gap between T8 and T7. It’s a bandaid fix until they come up with a permanent solution to the entire ranking system. No further rating adjustments should be made unless another Glicko Ghetto issue is seen in one of the tiers. And sorry, T7 just doesn’t seem to be experiencing Glicko Ghetto right now. Now if we find ourselves stuck in this tier for an extended period of time and are winning by large margins for the majority of the time, then let’s talk.

To make further rating adjustments to just SF just because you’re unhappy we’re here is unfair to the other servers in the ladder and robs us of the opportunity to learn/grow as a server. The Glicko Ghetto is resolved (for now)…the rest of our rating progression should be on our own steam.

Didn’t you get bored of dominating underpopulated servers in T8? dont get me wrong I take nothing away from you guys you show up to WvW in force week in week out and that deserves respect but surely you would like some competition in terms of numbers? all Anet seem to have done is “moved the problem” it isn’t a fix of any sorts not even short term. SF are still in exactly the same position as before, but HoD and NSP are now in the position of ET and FC.

Hell yeah we got bored….There were times we would log into the game, everything be green on EB, and nothing be contested and maybe only have like 5 people on the map just running around doing dailys etc.

It was unbelievably boring….But heres the thing, if we wanted to move out of T8 we had to hold every single thing we could for as long as we could…You see someone already explained this once, but essentially the higher your score week in week out…Well the higher you need to keep scoring if you want to build rating…It created a vicious cycle on T8, which was that we had to try and blow up the score week in and week out, which made it no fun for anyone.

Instead of helping remedy the situation by posting about it, all we got was 50 million people in Tiers 1-7 complaining about our threads, that complained about the problem….

Not speaking to anyone here in particular, but THERE WERE people in T7 saying they were gonna roll/stomp/own us if they moved us out of T8. Now (assumption incoming) I am sure some of those people are the same ones saying “get SF into T6 and away from us, its no fun etc etc”….

How FUN do you think it was for ET/FC??? How fun do you think it was for them when ANET intervened after 3 months of ROFLstomping to give them free server transfers, and then for them to have to on one hand: beg for help, and on the other realize that if that help worked, then SF would be prolonged for a stay in T8 due to the aforementioned rating (flawed) system. You see, what do you think would have happened in glicko if after 2 months of 200k plus wins, that margin tightned a bit? I will tell you what, SF would have dropped significantly in the ratings, all because ANET messed with the system….

I did not get my degree in Glicko-ology like some people on this forum, but I can tell you the true crime committed by ANET was not boosting the ratings to move us out of T8…It was 1: ignoring the problem in T8 for so long after admitting that free transfers compounded said problem, and 2: implementing free transfers to T8 knowing full-well it would further promote the cycle to continue…

THAT is the real reason they HAD to adjust the system….So you all can lay the ownness of the situation at the feet of those that are truly responsible, we just play the game against the teams they lay in front of us.

Lastly, and I say this with as much respect/motivation as possible…ET/FC were much more heavily outmanned than you people and they last MONTHS (3 or so) against us, sure they complained but who wouldnt given the situation….It hasn’t even been ONE WEEK yet and you guys are breaking the forums with complaints….

Again, respectfully as possible in light of the suggestion: man the kitten up, and do something about it, stop relying on ANET to fix your problems, ANET fixing problems in the past has led to this current situation!!!

No-one is disputing that something had to be changed, that is not the issue, but like I have said before they have now just moved the problem to T7. It wasn’t fair on ET/FC so why is it fair on HoD/NSP?

naphack.9346:

Luke.8295:

Manoa.5897:

Luke.8295:

Oh they didn’t “change” the system they “adjusted” it ah I see now!

I don’t think anyone for a minute was suggesting you move a guild from T1-6 into Tier 8, but moving SF up high enough to give them some competition is sure the right thing to do for all parties concerned, and move everyone else down one place.

Nothankyouverymuch. ANet did what they had to do to help the Glicko Ghetto and close the gap between T8 and T7. It’s a bandaid fix until they come up with a permanent solution to the entire ranking system. No further rating adjustments should be made unless another Glicko Ghetto issue is seen in one of the tiers. And sorry, T7 just doesn’t seem to be experiencing Glicko Ghetto right now. Now if we find ourselves stuck in this tier for an extended period of time and are winning by large margins for the majority of the time, then let’s talk.

To make further rating adjustments to just SF just because you’re unhappy we’re here is unfair to the other servers in the ladder and robs us of the opportunity to learn/grow as a server. The Glicko Ghetto is resolved (for now)…the rest of our rating progression should be on our own steam.

Didn’t you get bored of dominating underpopulated servers in T8? dont get me wrong I take nothing away from you guys you show up to WvW in force week in week out and that deserves respect but surely you would like some competition in terms of numbers? all Anet seem to have done is “moved the problem” it isn’t a fix of any sorts not even short term. SF are still in exactly the same position as before, but HoD and NSP are now in the position of ET and FC.

They didn’t move any problem. It’s not like you guys got 400 less points than SF and SF just can’t make progress anymore by beating you.
WHen will you learn, the problem was not the matchup being a landslide victory for SF but the problem was SF actually LOSING point for beating the living daylight out of ET and FC.
If SF simply beat ET and SF while steadily gaining points, ANet would not have cared in the slightest.

You don’t think the same thing is going to happen?

Manoa.5897:

Luke.8295:

Oh they didn’t “change” the system they “adjusted” it ah I see now!

I don’t think anyone for a minute was suggesting you move a guild from T1-6 into Tier 8, but moving SF up high enough to give them some competition is sure the right thing to do for all parties concerned, and move everyone else down one place.

Nothankyouverymuch. ANet did what they had to do to help the Glicko Ghetto and close the gap between T8 and T7. It’s a bandaid fix until they come up with a permanent solution to the entire ranking system. No further rating adjustments should be made unless another Glicko Ghetto issue is seen in one of the tiers. And sorry, T7 just doesn’t seem to be experiencing Glicko Ghetto right now. Now if we find ourselves stuck in this tier for an extended period of time and are winning by large margins for the majority of the time, then let’s talk.

To make further rating adjustments to just SF just because you’re unhappy we’re here is unfair to the other servers in the ladder and robs us of the opportunity to learn/grow as a server. The Glicko Ghetto is resolved (for now)…the rest of our rating progression should be on our own steam.

Didn’t you get bored of dominating underpopulated servers in T8? dont get me wrong I take nothing away from you guys you show up to WvW in force week in week out and that deserves respect but surely you would like some competition in terms of numbers? all Anet seem to have done is “moved the problem” it isn’t a fix of any sorts not even short term. SF are still in exactly the same position as before, but HoD and NSP are now in the position of ET and FC.

naphack.9346:

Syeria.4812:

naphack.9346:

Anet can not simply ignore the system, they put into place, that’s something, you need to understand. Servers had to fight their way through weaker tiers from the beginning and other servers had to sit through thrashings from the beginning. That’s the reality of WvW and it has always been that way. There is no way to make “fixed” matches. Matches will arrange themselves over time, so if you do not intend on playing a matchup, please do us a favor and do not blame Anet for your lack of fighting spirit.

Except that’s not quite true. Anet can adjust the system in any way they see fit. In fact, the only reason SF moved up a tier is because Anet made such an adjustment. With the final scores from last week (without adjustments) SF finished the week losing 30.5 rank points to fall to 957.680 (behind GoM’s 1020.609). However, prior to the new matchups being calculated, Anet made an adjustment (I believe they added 300 rank points to each of ET and FC) which caused SF to move into T7. Quite literally, Anet moved SF out of T8 and into T7, and there’s no reason why they couldn’t make any other move they so choose if they deem it to be in the best interest of the game.

They did not change the system as it is. They just made the most minimal adjustment to it which would solve the issue and push SF out of T8.
If you read closely, he demanded something like “move SF to a higher tier, no matter what”, which, honestly, is just a change to the whole system.
Adding points to SF, so they get moved to t6 would have done nothing, as I stated in the post which got criticized so sharply by him.
GOM would have dropped to T8 and been stuck there forever due to ET and SF still having 500 points, IOJ would have dropped to T7 and possibly done the same to you, SF does right now. Maybe, maybe not, do not know about that one.
But no matter what, that guy basically said “our matchup was fine, so why change it?” without realizing, the only way to keep that matchup while getting SF out of T8 would have been swapping a server from above T7 with SF. Now let’s think for a moment. If you were in a T6 server…
And suddenly got moved to a T8 server…
Because some kid in a T7 server deemed it necessary to keep their matchup at all costs…
How would you feel?
SF rising will send some ripples through the system and loosen up some stale matchups. In what way is that bad? It’s a big opportunity! Get out there, get as many points as possible and once SF kicks the behinds of the T6 guys, your server gets to move up!
Show some spirit!
no guts, no glory!

Oh they didn’t “change” the system they “adjusted” it ah I see now!

I don’t think anyone for a minute was suggesting you move a guild from T1-6 into Tier 8, but moving SF up high enough to give them some competition is sure the right thing to do for all parties concerned, and move everyone else down one place.

Syeria.4812:

naphack.9346:

Anet can not simply ignore the system, they put into place, that’s something, you need to understand. Servers had to fight their way through weaker tiers from the beginning and other servers had to sit through thrashings from the beginning. That’s the reality of WvW and it has always been that way. There is no way to make “fixed” matches. Matches will arrange themselves over time, so if you do not intend on playing a matchup, please do us a favor and do not blame Anet for your lack of fighting spirit.

Except that’s not quite true. Anet can adjust the system in any way they see fit. In fact, the only reason SF moved up a tier is because Anet made such an adjustment. With the final scores from last week (without adjustments) SF finished the week losing 30.5 rank points to fall to 957.680 (behind GoM’s 1020.609). However, prior to the new matchups being calculated, Anet made an adjustment (I believe they added 300 rank points to each of ET and FC) which caused SF to move into T7. Quite literally, Anet moved SF out of T8 and into T7, and there’s no reason why they couldn’t make any other move they so choose if they deem it to be in the best interest of the game.

My point exactly – a little more thought from Anet would have gone a long way. Or alternatively another adjustment now they have seen the impact of this one. (I’m all for learning by doing)

naphack.9346:

All I read here is whining. Either get some balls(just ask the Yaks for advice, if you wanna learn how to ball up against superior numbers. From what I heard, they take great pride in their defense) or go to PvE, which will serve three purposes:
1) You get to have some fun, even if the mobs outnumber you, too!
2) SF will move up faster
3) less whining on the forums

A classic “I can’t think of any intelegent to counter your well put arguement so i’ll just tell you to stop whining” post

TallDan.6350:

@ Gilkin: Please don’t leave us, I have been doing a lot of borderlands defence with no commanders to follow and almost no other players on at times, and caps aside you are one of the few commanders I will follow at all, because your fun, don’t be down helps us have fun.

People who say agg are all that ET have are basically talking rubbish we have many fine players and guilds and I don’t run with zergs but have lots of fun and score lots of points for the team.

I love you guys at GoM and and FC both of your servers have many fine players and GoM have some pretty fun tactics which I have had a lot of fun adapting to.

Keep up the good work to all the players in T8, going to start a T8 love fest. I think all 3 of our servers are awesome and won’t listen to anyone who bad mouths any of us :p

Dan you are too tall (Love fest over!)

naphack.9346:

Luke.8295:

Entropy.4732:

SilencedScream.2167:

dank.3680:

They are simply frustrated they couldn’t find ANY small group action coming from SF.

I will reiterate this sentiment.
Despite my multiple posts about boycotting this week, I’ve found it very hard to stay away from WvW (I’ve played -just- WvW for about eight hours this week)… but I’ve yet to have -any- encounter with SF that had less than twenty-five.

Like a post I said earlier – I imagine that a lot of your players have skill; but amidst all the zerging, I’ve yet to be able to confirm this. I’m not looking for a 5HoD vs 1SP fight – but when my group of twelve -only- runs into 25+, skill no longer becomes a factor. It’s all about numbers.

Again (and I’m doing this for all my posts, because I don’t want this to be taken in a bad light), I’m not saying your players aren’t skillful. I’m saying that, because of your numbers, I can’t tell if they are.

I agree with this completely. SF’s tactics of strength by numbers gets boring fast. I’ve played a lot this week, but I gotta say I had much more fun with the GoM, HoD match up. I’m not trying to say SF are bad players, only that their tactics are dull and lead to blob zerg stalemates. GoM and HoD have a more intellectual, strategic approach to WvW, sending off small groups of 5-8 to cap camps, create distractions, hunt yaks, cap NPC’s, etc. With GoM, NSP, & HoD when Hylek or Dredge were up it seemed imperative to grab them because every extra NPC player could be the difference in the smaller, more balanced clashes. Skill use and exact placement of siege seemed to matter much more. With SF, when I notice Hylek up I’m like, “Oh… guess we COULD go cap them although it won’t really matter much.” Plus 5 v 5 fights really allow you to sense a player’s psychological approach to combat. And I do have to say that HoD and GoM rarely camped our spawn points. They always allowed us the ability to defend our keeps. Fighting SF is like fighting a giant slug that lurks on your doorstep and eats your garbage. They are always there, always a massive zerg, always camping spawn. Plus, as this thread proves, I don’t like their general attitude on the forums. Too much bluster, bragging, and trash talk. I look forward to SF’s departure from our tier so we can get back to more balanced and enjoyable WvW.

Amen,

Anet should have just put SF in T1 and let them work their way down instead of ruining one of the most fun and balanced tiers in WvW.

That would however go against the system, anet created.
Matchups are decided by points. That can not change. However, giving SF +2k points does not change anything with the fundamental problem of T8. ET ans FC would still have 500 points and GOM would be trapped in the Glicko Ghetto, while IOJ would take the green spot in T7.
What do you want to accomplish by that?
There was no way to preserve your little T7 matchup either way besides messing with the system VERY badly. Fixing T8 would have dropped GOM either way.

Just fixing whats broken(FC’s and ET’s ridiculously low points in this case) and letting the system rearrange itself was the most logical thing to do.
And I am pretty sure, the bragging of you T7 guys about how SF would lose either way, motivated ANet into some “what if…” kind of thinking, so they just went ahead and kicked SF into T7 to see whether you guys can live up to your words.

Anet should pay more attention to server populations, they shunted them up, it should have probably been a little further to some of the other servers who actually have a very high population instead of making T7 the same as T8 for the next 3-4 weeks (or however long it takes to move SF up)

And please get a grip with this “see if you guys can live up to your words” there is no skill to this, it just purely being out numbered. If you had only enough players to defend 1 BL and you were attacked with higher numbers of opposing forces in 3 different BL’s, you would be fighting a losing battle. So even if you managed to defend your keep/tower/camp you would lose 2.

GoM/NSP/HoD had similar populations, (possibly slightly higher than that of ED/FC) You move GoM into T8 what do you get? a fairly balanced match up. You move SF into T7 what do you get? the same as T8 has been for months.

Leaving things as they were was not the right thing to do, but now both HoD & NSP have to sit and wait for SF to move up before its even worth playing WvW again.

I would say that HoD & NSP could fight it out for 2nd place, but that is irrelevant as its more like 2nd place is given to the Server who SF decide not to Zerg.

Entropy.4732:

SilencedScream.2167:

dank.3680:

They are simply frustrated they couldn’t find ANY small group action coming from SF.

I will reiterate this sentiment.
Despite my multiple posts about boycotting this week, I’ve found it very hard to stay away from WvW (I’ve played -just- WvW for about eight hours this week)… but I’ve yet to have -any- encounter with SF that had less than twenty-five.

Like a post I said earlier – I imagine that a lot of your players have skill; but amidst all the zerging, I’ve yet to be able to confirm this. I’m not looking for a 5HoD vs 1SP fight – but when my group of twelve -only- runs into 25+, skill no longer becomes a factor. It’s all about numbers.

Again (and I’m doing this for all my posts, because I don’t want this to be taken in a bad light), I’m not saying your players aren’t skillful. I’m saying that, because of your numbers, I can’t tell if they are.

I agree with this completely. SF’s tactics of strength by numbers gets boring fast. I’ve played a lot this week, but I gotta say I had much more fun with the GoM, HoD match up. I’m not trying to say SF are bad players, only that their tactics are dull and lead to blob zerg stalemates. GoM and HoD have a more intellectual, strategic approach to WvW, sending off small groups of 5-8 to cap camps, create distractions, hunt yaks, cap NPC’s, etc. With GoM, NSP, & HoD when Hylek or Dredge were up it seemed imperative to grab them because every extra NPC player could be the difference in the smaller, more balanced clashes. Skill use and exact placement of siege seemed to matter much more. With SF, when I notice Hylek up I’m like, “Oh… guess we COULD go cap them although it won’t really matter much.” Plus 5 v 5 fights really allow you to sense a player’s psychological approach to combat. And I do have to say that HoD and GoM rarely camped our spawn points. They always allowed us the ability to defend our keeps. Fighting SF is like fighting a giant slug that lurks on your doorstep and eats your garbage. They are always there, always a massive zerg, always camping spawn. Plus, as this thread proves, I don’t like their general attitude on the forums. Too much bluster, bragging, and trash talk. I look forward to SF’s departure from our tier so we can get back to more balanced and enjoyable WvW.

Amen,

Anet should have just put SF in T1 and let them work their way down instead of ruining one of the most fun and balanced tiers in WvW.

AFK for a Month

WvW = Higher population/WvW activity > Anything

Its not a T8 owning 2 T7 Servers, its just a Very High populated Server showing that it has more people online in WvW around the clock that 2 medium/high servers. Yes SF have been stuck in T8 due to some glitches with how scores are worked out etc. They will climb until they reach servers of similar population, skill has nothing to do with it until that happens.

All this WvW system does it filter down the lowest population servers to the bottom, until they reach a tier where there population matches that of the other servers, The only true match ups are between the top teirs where their WvW populations are maxed out (aka queing for most if not all BL’s)

Ruprect.7260:

Convenant.7092:

Please make it so when a player is revived from downed state; he has 50% less stats.

Lol, for how long? This would make them completely useless, it would make downed state useless, you might as well just die.
I like the idea of making it harder to get out of downed state with maybe less than 40k hp and 50% damage reduction, and definitely harder to get back up. I would also make this for PvP and WvW only, it is fine the way it is for PvE.

Yea agree there would be no point in penalizing the player once they are revived it just makes them useless and no-one would revive them, you may as well just remove downed from the game if that was implemented.

I am a fan of the downed mechanic, I think it keeps battles running longer and adds an element of decision making to the battle field.

Ruprect.7260:

Convenant.7092:

Please make it so when a player is revived from downed state; he has 50% less stats.

Lol, for how long? This would make them completely useless, it would make downed state useless, you might as well just die.
I like the idea of making it harder to get out of downed state with maybe less than 40k hp and 50% damage reduction, and definitely harder to get back up. I would also make this for PvP and WvW only, it is fine the way it is for PvE.

Yea agree there would be no point in penalizing the player once they are revived it just makes them useless and no-one would revive them, you may as well just remove downed from the game if that was implemented.

I am a fan of the downed mechanic, I think it keeps battles running longer and adds an element of decision making to the battle field.

So you basically saying you want a small group of out-manned defenders to be able to push back a big zerg?

Surely then the game would flip on its head and it would be first players to cap the unguarded towers/keeps/castle @ the reset win the match as no-one could ever assault them.

Re-enforcing is totally worth it as well as building siege, but you have to be expected to bring some numbers along to enable you to effectively push back a large zerg.

When you are on defense, I would say you would want at least 40-50% of the numbers beating @ the door, to ensure that you put up a fight, any less than that and it is
inevitable that the defenses will fall eventually.

Communication across BL is key, if you are under attack and your allies allow you to be out-manned in a Tower/Keep that they intend on keeping for 20 minutes, then you need a commander that knows how to lead.

Having said that it might be that while a huge zerg is beating on 1 tower for 20 minutes in 1 BL, your team has taken 2-3 towers + a keep in another BL. Its all about the greater good sometimes.

SF are not good enough for T7, they only dominated T8 due to population issues of the other 2 servers, and they will see the gap closing each week as ET & FC now have some more troops.