Guild Wars 2

Awww Trib. I hope that wasn’t me :P
The brutal reality is that many commanders actually actively avoid FoW and only go for it as a last resort, who wants to PvD a whole corner when there are probably tasty fights to be had.

In my opinion we are low on numbers ourselves, but FoW is taking it to the next level. There is literally no presence from you guys, have taken all your border with 5 guys at roughly 8-9pm when looking for some smallscale action. I honestly don’t think its going to get better, only worse. Sorry to say nice things about your oldest rivals but Vabbi actually put up a fight, FoW really doesn’t.

Problem is that there are ~4 tiny servers and match-ups are obviously in threes…do the math. You’re only hope is that either 1 server grows much larger or RoS and Fort Ranik gets much smaller. Is this going to happen in the short term? If you think not I would consider moving to where you will get the most enjoyment. ’Cos ultimately your own personal enjoyment is all that should matter.

RoS have made ourselves more organized and a more effective server and the results speak for themselves!
Think of RoS if you’re looking for an active WvW community where your individual actions really do make a difference.

- Are you a guild looking to make your name in WvW?
We are a good place to start, with lots of inter-guild cooperation & theory crafting, fiercely loyal WvW playerbase, opportunities for scrimms/GvG, Server Raid Schedule & no queues meaning you can get straight into the action.

- Are you a havoc/roaming group looking for less 2FPS blob fights and skilled smallscale fights?
Being a bronze league server there are far less map blobs and more variety in the numbers of the enemy groups you encounter. We regularly face some of the most experienced small scale groups in EU.

- Are you a player looking for a fresh start and/or a challenge where sheer numbers never ever win the fight.
Lootstick be boring, turtling in towers be boring too!

Feel free to whisper me if you want more context/information.

thelma.9824:

biglilstampie.2410:

p.s sorry to butt-in but my matchup thread is less interesting then this one!

I know the feeling, Vabbi has the most interesting matchup threads every week!

Thanks to all the Vabbi people I’ve met this week. It’s been a fun week and I feel like I’ve developed a special bond with some vabbits.. it’s because you have something or someone that belongs to m.. I mean, Jd

Yeah someone has taken our tasty bacon hostage!…
I don’t know who you are. I don’t know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don’t have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let our tasty meat go now, that’ll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don’t, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.

Loving all the ‘thanks for good fights’ comments and I’m putting my one in.

As always it’s been great, there’s definitely a love/hate relationship between all our servers that has flourished by fighting each other for months! Almost going to miss you guys

Good luck in the coming weeks, and we’ll see you on the flipside – exhausted of fighting all the big bully servers OR enthusiastic at all the skills we’ve learned and bigger servers we’ve beaten down.

Goodbye my old friends

Haha. Thanks kincaidia, I hate seeing irrational posts that don’t explain their point.

Liete; To remain competitive (and I assume you are as you don’t play to lose right?) you have to stick to one character.. It also encourages stale gameplay by having the same skills/build and this is why Anet must change it. How long before people who play hours every day stop doing so. These people encourage/inspire/command newer or less experienced players. This change creates a healthy active community in WvW!

Is being disadvantaged for enjoying all of the wonderful classes worth a virtually invisible ‘representation’?

Sorry for this wall of text, I’m clearly passionate about this change! :P

Neandramathal: stumbling across a big fight between the two other servers and jumping in is always good! Its often hard for both teams to spot the small group from the 3rd server too, and am always shocked how long I survive in those! We do need more fights like that, I live for the carnage

Ravenous: I think I deserve it after the trouble you’ve caused us this week!
(Ps. I like to be big spoon!)

ColinJohanson.2394:

Hey folks,

The addition of the bonus WXP for laurels/badges is simply intended to give WvW players an additional option they can spend their laurels/badges on, it is not intended to fix any issues with alts and WxP.

We’re aware of, and actively discussing the amount of progression we’ve added through WxP and the difficulty for playing multiple characters as a result. When we make changes to help address alts/WxP rank, we’ll make sure to specifically call out the change is to help address that issue.

Thank you Colin for a response on this issue. It was assumed or interpreted that this is why they were added, when all it did was increase the disparity between alts and mains, if the price of them was worth it (it is hard to get the right price for this, as too cheap is gonna create P2W cries, too expensive and no-one will buy them). Altoholics don’t have enough laurels to gear them up in ascended trinkets.

This boils down to character based wxp ranking.
Your team states that Wxp ranks were by character to allow different roles for different classes, for that have to worked you would have needed certain lines to lock out others or only have a finite amount of points to spend, because right now you can be a master of all. After implementation of Wxp you can’t go back because of how ‘good’ we have it. The only option we have left, which has been stated previously is Wxp rank be account bound, but the stat distribution character bound. The account-bound rank would be the aggregated Wxp earned. Is there a technical limitation which has stopped you from doing this?

The pushback from you guys is that just because your experienced in WvW with x class doesn’t mean your experienced with y class. But as ranks are hidden from teammates its not used as a gauge of experience, but instead used as buffs/abilities for time spent in wvw with said character.

tl;dr Thanks for response Colin, is the reason for not having implemented account based wxp a technical limitation? As i can’t think of a reason to not do it that way. If there is one, enlighten us Anet

People gonna hate on your videos. No-one likes to see themselves getting owned! And your hardly going to engage in fights that you have a slim/no chance of winning. That’s just poor play!

With re’ to having no resistance or a zerg of resistance when capping points. I feel the same; when I run in small groups (as neandramathal has pointed out, not often) i run into a 20+ group of vabs. When we’re running as a guild we normally just see 4 or 5 poor victims to roll over (for which i do feel guilty for!) and we PvD a lot of the map to entice people to group up and take us on.

The gripes we all have with ‘fairness’ and ‘2 servers ganging up’ is just perception.

Vabbi and FoW definitely have a love/hate relationship. And rightly or wrongly i’ll chase a vabbi longer than a wsr just to give them a cuddle!

tl;dr – these arguments come from both sides every matchup, Vabbians give me a hug <3

Oh and Ham, you’re a gossiping little spin doctor! Give me the scoop!

Fair point Korsbaek

Hamham.7504:

Raspberry OP, l2p. 30 Strawberry with the cream trait or gtfo.

Umm whats been going on here? I hope its just late night madness (or brain freeze) rather than that lobotomy we had scheduled!

Who eats lime jelly!

(edited for grammar)

I assume your referring to my earlier post? Lol someone must be a bit upset that 9 of us managed to hold your 20+ group for 40m.
And that’s a bit rich, seeing as your siege had us pinned in the camp just before that keep defense?
Also if we had that much siege we wouldn’t of been able to man it all!

Just posting to say nice fights at Pangloss and Vabbi Keep tonight! You didn’t give up, even though you probably got a nasty shock when you broke in and found 4 ballistas staring you down! Was quite a massacre. You repayed us in kind when the door went down again! Was just an empty gulf and two rows of ballistas firing at each other! Good times!

We have WvW guilds with +20 ppl but you wouldn’t see an organised stack that you might be used to (good group composition, spell effects filling the screen etc). Even if we did a GvG we wouldn’t have nearly as much practice as you!!
Try us for 1v1s, 3v3s and it might be a different story
I suppose it’s the gameplay exposure each ‘tier’ has.

@Tribio – Did you mean, respect or lack thereof on our parts? If you have an example where I have spoke out of turn, I’d be glad to make it clearer as I have no issues with our server population at all.
Talking about how Vabbi & Blacktide joining forces doesn’t really prove that having it as a 3way battle doesn’t work for us?

Strategically, of course I can applaud Vabbi’s actions; tis a sweet move and i would of done the same (This move should be happening more frequently, with everyone out for everyone, creating an exciting and dynamic battleground.) I perhaps wouldn’t of tried to cuddle up to FoW first and then try to justify their actions by pointing fingers at us when I’m playing as intended and has been balanced around. For all intensive purposes how was i supposed to know?

Actually having 2 different sets of enemies on the map is exactly what i want. From my point of view; it’s not about “kitten Vabbi in their BL” – it’s about what is the easiest to capture and hold at any given point to cumulatively give us the best points per tick.

Numbers when defending is another issue, for another time.

Wow, lot of anger spilling round here. Personal attacks and inferences of “power-tripping”.

YuGiOh, just because we didn’t accept this alliance, for which was never put to the server as a whole, but to a few select groups, you seem to be going apekitten. This Legends Of Woe seems to be a bit self-entitled if he has classed himself as “FoW liason” as he’s not prominent enough within the community for me to remember him! (Where was my vote; Hamham or Koas would win for sure! ^^ )

How would Mr. Pug ever know that this was in place, and if he were to take a supply camp you’d have reached the same conclusion you have now.
This futile proposal could never be enforced to a point where both sides were happy.

It is also outside the spirit of WvWvW (see 3 teams all versus each other). It’s fundamentally detrimental to FoW’s rating as it ‘stops’ access to a 1/3 of the map. An easier 3rd to take I might add. If the ‘alliance’ allowed you to hold your BL all week it would only erode our rating, because of previous scores.

If the role’s were reversed then I don’t think you’d be welcoming it with open arms.

I wanted to applaud you for what you’re trying to (no matter how impossible it is), but I am soured by the comments in this thread.
So go whisper to your friends at Arborstone and Blacktide, it seems you’ll make ‘friends’ with anyone just to do a little bit better.

Royce Melborn.3276:

Why isn’t your name up there YuGiOh?? kitten you all, why don’t you recognize the great YuGiOh?!! Life is so unfair und mean!!

lulz

I lol’d hard, i thought you were being serious like all the other ‘Look at me’s in this thread until i read the poster

Ooo free repairs! shame I missed the reset dash!
Let’s show ’em what we can do!

Haha. There is no truce in my eyes, just mutual respect of a skilled foe
Were you 1 of the 2 thieves causing carnage by Dawns when we were fighting BT last night, then had a little dance?

Ha Enjoyed this.
Puts to bed the ridiculous ‘numbers’ argument we hear in FoW on a regular basis. All we need is your can-do attitude!

Had some good fights with you guys, maybe see you in Vabbi BL Hills

Psychotic.3560:

I haven’t seen zerging this bad in months. All we seem to be doing is taking stuff and then abandoning it.

After the fight you are all going on about yesterday, there were only about 10 of us defending our own Borderlands, which is hilarious considering EB and BT Borderland had queues on 20 mins before hand.

All 3 servers have been doing the same thing since the patch, so were all going to be stuck down here for a long time (Note: we all deserve to be down here, don’t go inflating our ratings).

Starting to regret not transferring off now.

Good job! When i logged off we still had all of our Borderlands and more than 1/3 of EB. Something like the spartan 300 springs to mind.

If you look at the forums (which I’ve just started to lurk on) you can see that zerging in general has increased across all servers and players of higher tier servers have commented on it at length since the end to culling in WvW.
The grass is greener on the other side fits nicely here.

So to be self-deprecating over actually getting some traction against BT doesn’t sit well with my new enthusiasm and loyalty to FoW as a almost virgin WvWer!

I agree with Tribio. Doesn’t matter what tier you are on; last night it felt really organised and epic!
I have been more focused on PvE than WvW to date, and any attempts to get into WvW have resulted me being rolled by far superior numbers of Blacktide (who have categorically held most the map for some time).
Well i got my first real taste of WvW and loved it. That battle at SM was hectic enough, holding the courtyard with 2 bits of wall down for an hour or so and then the Vabbi started to move! Amazing and can’t wait to get on there later!

Thanks for the battle BT/Vab, and i will also see you at our next push!