Guild Wars 2

Also, can someone point out to me where in the Manifesto they say that they will never have vertical item progression? I think the part that most people focus on is where Collin talks about grind, and in that he’s talking about combat mechanics, not items. Also I need to reread the golden rule post but off the top of my head they don’t talk about never having vertical item progression. Could be wrong, I’m rereading it now.

edit: Ok I just read the golden rule post again and I found nothing that jumped out to me that was anti vertical progression. Maybe the respect the player bit, but I feel like that’s a bit of a stretch.

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Why should I have to have a certain type of gear to do a dungeon? Because WoW does?

But you don’t, Fractals sounds like it will be clear of agony and thus the need for ascended gear until the deeper levels. Which means you can still do Fractals with whatever gear you have. The only purpose going deeper serves is to cater to people who want a greater degree of challenge in their dungeons. This is what I think people are forgetting here, this isn’t a system that flat out prevents you from doing content unless you have the gear for it.

Ah, so the poopsockers get better gear than me now. I’ll just play WoW if I want to be harassed by someone with 15 more stat points than me.

How about we just add gearscore and get it over with?

But we have no reason to believe that deeper levels give better gear. Also there’s no need for name calling here. I’m trying to understand your point of view, and explain mine.

Talloc.6835:

Why should I have to have a certain type of gear to do a dungeon? Because WoW does?

But you don’t, Fractals sounds like it will be clear of agony and thus the need for ascended gear until the deeper levels. Which means you can still do Fractals with whatever gear you have. The only purpose going deeper serves is to cater to people who want a greater degree of challenge in their dungeons. This is what I think people are forgetting here, this isn’t a system that flat out prevents you from doing content unless you have the gear for it.

Would it still be offensive to you if Ascended items were just ever a single tier of gear and the only thing that they ever added after this were new types of infusions that only had an impact on the deeper more challenging parts of dungeons (assuming that they use the Fractals model of increasing difficulty)?

@Tyr Ok, I get that but the increase in power seems so tiny it doesn’t seem like it would matter. So what if I have a barely perceptible power increase over you with a few bonuses that only apply in the deeper bits of dungeons that you don’t even do?

Here is where my confusion over this outrage is. Fractals is a dungeon which is designed to increase in difficulty after subsequent runs. Meaning that you run it, get all your rewards and goodies and all that good stuff. Then you’re taken back to the start and have the option to run it again, but this time it will be a bit harder than before. As far as we know, nothing about the rewards change, it’s just difficulty that’s going up here. So as far as I can tell, going deeper in is nothing but bragging rights. It’s a challenge for the people who want it and are willing to put in the extra effort for it and it’s still a cool new dungeon everyone else can still play through. I really do not see how this is so offensive.