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There must be more people who want more Shortbow oriented viable builds, but mainly that the shortbow doesn’t have to go condi dmg or bleed build just to have it viable, there’s people who like the shortbow as a weapon but despise bleed and condi builds for ranger.

No more buffs to LB, only buff Shortbow to compete. Buffing LB will further increase the gap between the viable build and the non viable one. Don’t let the ranger’s damage scale so badly with their sustain, it’s either crazy damage no sustain or high sustain no damage. Can we have a middle ground?

Jhughes.8341:

So I see the word “viable” being thrown around this thread a lot, and saying this I really hope it doesn’t come off as being a jerk. I think it’s safe to say no one in this thread (me included) plays at the highest levels of pvp? I’m talking like tog levels of pvp. Now with that being said there’s a multitude of “viable” specs that a ranger can run in average level pvp. Yes zerk lb deals crazy damage at ranged, just get close to it and bait out signet. Yes the condi bunker can hold a side node really well, 2v1 him with an ele or guardian. I have had a lot of success running Sb axe/dagger, so I don’t see why axe horn wouldn’t work as well? Axe stacks a ridiculous amount of might on our pets, which people neglect far to often. I’m not sure if you’ve seen the Na KotH ranger thread? But the person with the most title defenses is a Cele Lb- sword/axe ranger. At the average level of play.. There are plenty of specs to choose from.

Viable is an important word when it comes to PvP, either a build is viable or it’s not, amongst good players that is, going against bad players you can make bad builds work. Viable against good players and good builds. Are you only entitled to speak about balance if you play at the highest level of PvP? How about over 600 days of experience of the game, but still that doesn’t mean anything since I haven’t played at the highest level of PvP? Nobody is talking about average level PvP we are talking about PvP in general, having a build work fine in average PvP but not in highest level PvP it’s not called a viable build, that’s just a result of circumstances. Lol you base your entire reply on average level PvP, but we never mentioned average level PvP, we are talking about a viable build that should work in average level PvP, highest level PvP and lowest level PvP, don’t make this discussion into a discussion of circumstances, the truth is as Shortbow is forced to go condition damage, and if you don’t you lose sustain, but if you do you will have a lot of indirect damage, where 1 cleanse can remove all your effort, do you understand what I’m saying now? Not to be a jerk but you got completly lost in this thread, because it looks like you didn’t read the OP or didn’t understand it anyways.

TL;DR;
Rangers have only 2-3 viable specs.
Rangers always have to pick between damage and sustainability.
Rangers have gotten multiple undeserving nerfs.
If ANet wants to nerf somebody they should nerf the Engineer first.
Longbow was PvE oriented and turned PvP oriented within a patch.
Shortbow has always been PvP oriented but is starting to become unviable since it’s easy to counter it and also the damage is too dependant on bleed, without bleed no damage output at all.
I can hold my own as a ranger but I’m tired that my entire char is dependant on bleeds, and if you happen to have a cleanse as your utility then this spec that I am running is damageless, I can play it well and I kill people, but that’s just because I outskill them. I killed much more people with the LB build, but in my perspective the LB is a PvE weapon and I will not abandon my Shortbow.

Valentin.2073:

Do you know what happened to the latest TOG? Rangers who played on that tournament did not even use a glass cannon ranger but a condi survival build. Zerk longbow build is a troll build just like pu mesmers. You cant defend a node using it and any decent player that would get close to you could kill you in seconds. Lb attacks get highly punished on close range. I think i know more about rangers than you do. Trust me, no decent team would recruit a glass cannon longbow ranger.

Actually my friend, no offense, but I have played a longer time than you, and not only that, but I realize that based on your text that you are not very cunning about the ranger class, just because one watches tournaments doesn’t make one a skillful player. Lol somebody tries a build that is normally sub-par but it worked despite the odds(Even the lottery you can win it but low odds)

So I don’t agree with you, I don’t think you know what you are talking about and I really just got fed up with talking to you after you showed your real personality. So I decline your discussion, you can keep posting but don’t expect an answer. And I have some forum suggestions for people who think they are above everyone else.

Bye

P.S. I have played this game as double as long as you, just because you watch a few tournaments doesn’t make you a pro, in fact it makes you even worse because you have to watch and learn while other people create their own playstyles and teach themselves.

Valentin.2073:

OrangeMarmalade.6147:

Valentin.2073:

Longbow is a one trick pony weapon. I havent been beaten by a zerkbow ranger on my condi build. People who complain about it are just bad. There are so many ways to get up close on a zerkbow ranger and destroy him. Before the september patch, i used longbow as a utility weapon and not as dps. My burst came from my shortbow through quickening zephyr. I was even able to kill a warrio and a thief at the same time using both bows. I got 3 rangers right now, 1 lvl 80 full glass cannon ranger, 1 lvl 80 spirit condi bunker that i use when i command, and 1 lo lvl ranger that i use purely for pvp. I am so dedicated on playing this class that my server have trusted me to lead them using it.

I am not frustrated about our status on pvp because i know i can make the class work but it wouldnt hurt for anet to bring our morale back.

Don’t missunderstand my thread, Longbow rangers are nothing special, neither are they OP, this was not said even once in this thread. 99% of all Rangers I meet nowadays in PvP have a Longbow on, pointing to a FoTM spec. I’m not a noob ranger either, I have played Ranger for more than 600 days, most of those days the Shortbow was like it’s supposed to be, so why should I switch now. If there’s only 2 builds to a class, and one is great, but one is bad, shouldn’t the bad build be buffed in comparison so it can also be viable and an alternative.

Variety is what Ranger’s middle name should be, but seeing the past nerfs and the mindset ATM on some rangers, some rangers like that the ranger is basically a one trick pony ATM, either spirit ranger, LB ranger or condi ranger, and condi ranger is very weak in comparison, not bad but weak in COMPARISON.

Just because some rangers like the LB build or just because some rangers don’t play shortbow there’s no reason to keep it this weak in comparison, even though you don’t play it we need some variety to our class and ranger’s who don’t like to play mainstream should have their build also viable, all ranger’s should not be forced to go one build because it’s the most viable.

Let me spell it out for you, lb zerk ranger build is not viable. Pvp wise, we have 0 build viable build on high level plays. It’s the truth. We deserve more than this rapid fire buff. Our strongest build is still the condi bunker build but compared to other classes, that build falls short.

Actually I tested out the LB Zerk earlier today, it does crazy damage and it helps your team a lot, now I swiftly changed back because I didn’t like the playstyle of the Longbow, and I also don’t like playing FoTM specs and specs that everybody else plays. So you don’t need to spell out anything my friend, because you are wrong, LB zerk build is viable and is crazy if played correctly, but I’m not asking for a nerf to the LB build, but I’m asking for a build to the shortbow so it can be brought up to comparison. We don’t need anymore buffs on LB at all, we need buffs to shortbow and the toughness tree of Ranger’s. Some ranger’s are pathetic, just because they play LB build they want every other build of the ranger to be weak. Next stop – One trick ponies market! Variety variety variety

Valentin.2073:

Longbow is a one trick pony weapon. I havent been beaten by a zerkbow ranger on my condi build. People who complain about it are just bad. There are so many ways to get up close on a zerkbow ranger and destroy him. Before the september patch, i used longbow as a utility weapon and not as dps. My burst came from my shortbow through quickening zephyr. I was even able to kill a warrio and a thief at the same time using both bows. I got 3 rangers right now, 1 lvl 80 full glass cannon ranger, 1 lvl 80 spirit condi bunker that i use when i command, and 1 lo lvl ranger that i use purely for pvp. I am so dedicated on playing this class that my server have trusted me to lead them using it.

I am not frustrated about our status on pvp because i know i can make the class work but it wouldnt hurt for anet to bring our morale back.

Don’t missunderstand my thread, Longbow rangers are nothing special, neither are they OP, this was not said even once in this thread. 99% of all Rangers I meet nowadays in PvP have a Longbow on, pointing to a FoTM spec. I’m not a noob ranger either, I have played Ranger for more than 600 days, most of those days the Shortbow was like it’s supposed to be, so why should I switch now. If there’s only 2 builds to a class, and one is great, but one is bad, shouldn’t the bad build be buffed in comparison so it can also be viable and an alternative.

Variety is what Ranger’s middle name should be, but seeing the past nerfs and the mindset ATM on some rangers, some rangers like that the ranger is basically a one trick pony ATM, either spirit ranger, LB ranger or condi ranger, and condi ranger is very weak in comparison, not bad but weak in COMPARISON.

Just because some rangers like the LB build or just because some rangers don’t play shortbow there’s no reason to keep it this weak in comparison, even though you don’t play it we need some variety to our class and ranger’s who don’t like to play mainstream should have their build also viable, all ranger’s should not be forced to go one build because it’s the most viable.

Thing is Valentin, you can’t hear nowhere in our whole community now the words “Ranger is OP” and the one who would utter those words would surely be ridiculed by the PvP’ers.

Basically Ranger’s are a one way street now with all the latest updates, either we get with the system with the new FoTM specs or we continue to be subpar. I’d rather be sub-par than play a build that firstly every ranger plays, secondly isn’t even a fun playstyle.

Shortbow is the very defining weapon of PvP for rangers, since GW2 came out, don’t understand why Anet made such a 180 degree turn.

Rangers are funneled as of now, we only have what, 2 or at tops 3 viable builds for PvP that we can go, and it’s not even builds I’m comfortable with, why should I play the way I don’t want to play in order to be successful, doesn’t that go against what GW2 says? Just because Ranger players are mostly mature people who don’t complain 24/7 doesn’t mean we are viable or OP, it just means we have a lot of patience. And seriously, if a sub-par class gets nerfed then I don’t know what you should do to the OP builds of Engineer, Elementalist and Guardian, those classes have many OP builds, but yet attention is focused on us, I would have no problems getting a nerf that is called for, but right now we are such kitteneless class that we either play the funneled builds or we try our own builds and we get shot down so easily thanks to other builds. So how’s it going to be Anet, is the shortbow completly dead for PvP or will you let 1 build remain for the shortbow that is a little viable (Bleed) but in comparison to other PvP builds it’s completly useless.

Who are we? Rangers, what do we want? the PvP shortbow back, when do we want it? Now, before I delete my ranger (JK, but I’m seriously that frustrated because I can outskill players, yet their build owns me for them)

I don’t want to have to switch to the longbow because it’s considered viable, I can make the shortbow work but it takes a major effort on my part and I have to outskill my opponents.

@Solrik

If you are comfortable with being forced to play Longbow to be viable that’s okay with me, I can immobalize too, but it’s obvious you haven’t faced opponents who use stun breakers, because even though you stack 20 bleed stacks, your damage is indirect, and your arrows hurt nothing but the bleed they apply hurts, so let’s say somebody cleanses your bleeds and is a good enough player to evade and stunbreak your immob’s and he actually has damage on the contrary to you who only does indirect damage and is trying to stack up a bleed like you’re facing a raid boss, if you have played enough PvP, 1v1’s and 2v2’s and 3v3’s you would realize that the funnel the shortbow is going through only bottlenecks our skill, I want a little versatility with the shortbow. Now don’t get me wrong Solrik I am a good PvP player and I have no problems with PvP, I have played PvP with many different chars, and in comparison in my experience killing players with all other classes goes much faster than ranger. I’m not the type of player who wants to rely on bleeds or immob’s to be able to play. I can hold my own, but I’m tired of holding my own when I have to outskill my opponent x10 so Solrik, excuse me but it seems like you didn’t play 2 years ago.

It’s only fair if the LB build is strong that the shortbow can compare or even compete. But as of now, 1-2 builds the ranger has renders all other builds useless, and that’s not the way GW2 is supposed to be. Solrik even if you’re happy with the LB buff, the Shortbow orientation must be buffed in order to be able to compete, correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t one of the ground principles of GW2 is that you tailor your own character? A class can’t have only 1 viable build and the rest bad, in that case the bad build should be buffed to be able to compete to the viable build so players have a choice, if shortbow gets buffed Solrik you can still play LB if you like, but don’t try to affect the other players trying alternative builds

Hello.

Today I think I’m going to do my first GW2 forum topic if I remember correctly or at least for a very long time.

I played in beta, I always mained ranger. Ranger was my first 80 and a very fun class to begin with. Back 2 years ago, rangers were crazy and there were a lot of them in PvP. Everybody basically ran the same build. And everybody agreed that the Longbow was more PvE oriented than the Shortbow.

Shortbow-Axe/Warhorn build is very fun to play, very team oriented. But I have some problems though. Ranger got a well deserved nerf 2 years ago, (Back when you could spec at the first trait in beastmaster that you get quickness when you change pets) I was fine with the nerfs and all, I thought “This will separate the good rangers from the bad” Nowadays after countless nerfs against the ranger class many of which were undeserving, I have decided to make a thread here so you can discuss and say your opinions.

Now the shortbow is completly useless in 1v1’s in PvP unless you’re running a bleed build, you’re forced to play bleed build with shortbow if you want to be even the slightest viable, and even then 1 cleanse removes your bleeds wether it be 5 stacks or 20 stacks, making you start all over again. This is one problem, make cleanse clean out like max 5 bleeds not the whole stack because getting 20 bleeds applied takes time, coordination and timings, an opponent removing my applied damage in 1 click that took me over 10 clicks to achieve is kind of unbalanced.

Now the Longbow has also replaced the shortbow in PvP, back when I started playing Longbow was strictly PvE and it wasn’t even viable in PvP, why this sudden change of heart Anet, since the ranger class is so attractive for nerfs, how about we talk about the one class that does deserve a nerf for once? The Engineer? If ranger deserved all these nerfs then I have no idea how much you should nerf the Engineer, if you want an OP class that’s it.

I refuse to run Longbow, just because it’s FoTM or because it’s viable, because in my eyes it’s still a PvE weapon no matter how much you buff it.

Now us rangers we have to decide between high sustain and no damage, or high damage and no sustain, we’re being funneled. I like to play with Shortbow and Axe/Warhorn must I be weaker than all other rangers because of that choice? Since you made the Longbow PvP oriented, why not make the shortbow PvE oriented if that’s the take you’re going for. I love you Anet but this time you really messed up, nerfing a class that already is subpar. Heck I have even been thinking about speccing pet builds just because we’re so nerfed, imagine that, me relying on an AI just because the ranger is sub-par. I will equip shortbow Axe/Warhorn and I will never stop, and it’s your responsibility Anet as a smart developer to balance things out, because despite all the talk GW2 is a very balanced game, the most balanced amongst the MMORPG’s I should say, but you really made a blunder when you nerfed ranger to the ground and not only that, made the shortbow non viable in PvP, seriously why’s that.

Can we get a medium damage medium sustain build with shortbow or high damage medium sustain build with shortbow or must I do like all other rangers who let their weapons play for them (Equip the longbow) I’m getting very frustrated as I’m a loyal customer.

Regards
Aliya Arrowsong.

Moddo.7105:

OrangeMarmalade.6147:

I main ranger and I just have to say, what happened to ranger forums, did it turn into WoW forums? No one should be fired just because you don’t have enough skill to kill people in a game.

I’ll say it and I’ll say it proudly, aside from bugs I’m happy and comfortable with my damage output, doesn’t stop me from coming first in WvW and SPvP.

The way in which you type at the forums ranger brethren makes me think many player from WoW came to GW2. Which is something I do not want.

Well couple things, I main a thief and can kill any ranger anytime 1v1. No chance. Same on my eng and my mesmer and warrior. SB too much dependent on Cond. Well cond suck because you will be dead before you can do 1/2hp to me. Is it because I am so much more skilled than all rangers I have ever fought? Don’t think so. It has too do with 45% of dmg following me around in form of a pet.

And second thing how do you get first in WvW? Makes me wonder if you ever have been in WvW.

I have my own build which goes like 0/30/20/10/10

Which grants me additionally

Regeneration when my health hits 75%
Increases endurance regeneration by 50%
Me and my pet gain 2 seconds of protection when I dodge roll
And also I gain protection for 5 seconds when I take more than 20% of my hp in one hit.

I changed my amulet and glyphs aswell to have high power while having 49% crit chance. That isn’t counting my warhorn buff.

and it counters One shot thieves (faceroll thieves)

With a thief you just survive the initial blow which is ez mode considering all the protection I get from my spec and regeneration.

After I made up my own build, gear, glyphs, pets and Stat tweaking no one can take me either 1v1 or in team fights since I rock entangling roots and warhorn buff for my teammates, and my spec adept reduces the cooldown of both Quickening Zephyr and Lightning Reflexes and Entangling Vines/Roots.

Maybe you people are rocking the wrong build for you, remember the picture with GW2 was to specially tailoring your character.

agnostAnts.7065:

Maybe if the landlord had promised everyone on the fifth floor heated bathroom floors and fixing the bad seals the windows have, but then got them all garbage disposals. I mean yeah, I guess that’s nice and helpful, but what about the other, nicer stuff you said you were getting?

What if the “promised things” are just a matter of perception, and also you’re free to move out. WoW had so many bugs and inbalance at the start. All games have to start somewhere, they don’t start at perfection. Secondly, my apartment is topping PvP lists I guess, it’s up to the apartment renter to actually clean his apartment, but some apartments like to blame the landlord.

Agreed, have some respect for the people whose game you play, it’s like complaining at your landlord that the apartment is crap but then proceeding to live in it.

I main ranger and I just have to say, what happened to ranger forums, did it turn into WoW forums? No one should be fired just because you don’t have enough skill to kill people in a game.

I’ll say it and I’ll say it proudly, aside from bugs I’m happy and comfortable with my damage output, doesn’t stop me from coming first in WvW and SPvP.

The way in which you type at the forums ranger brethren makes me think many player from WoW came to GW2. Which is something I do not want.

What do you think of this guys?

Hey it’s me Orange again with another suggestion, you might know me from such threads as https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/In-Game-voice-chat-2/first#post471009 and Troy McLure :P

No but in all seriousness I think you should have a design, like a specific pet loadout for sPvP, (One might want a tanking pet on for dungeons but DPS pets in PvP and levelling) for Levelling and for Dungeon. Same with Traits and Adepts (Sometimes you may want more damage instead of more survivability in different sections of the game.) and Different Skillbars for different occasions, for example I don’t need Lightning Reflexes on my bar when I’m Levelling or doing a dungeon, for that situation I might use a more fitting skill.

Also just a little note, please let pet names stick, I know it’s a bug but fix it soon.

All in all, I’m very satisfied with this game, you did a great job ArenaNet and cheers for making the world’s best MMORPG at the moment. Crushing all competing MMO’s.

Simply implement the enabling and disabling of in-game voice chat so you can be more social and have more communication in events and/or groups and dungeons. Too much of a hassle to add everybody everytime on skype, but don’t want to be unorganised in some serious events.

I agree completly, some rangers are pretending it’s such a weak class, I play ranger as main and I’m very satisfied with my class, except the Shortbow nerf which was uncalled for and the SB + QZ bug, there is other classes that deserved a nerf more than rangers, but our class is far away from kitteny lads, it’s just that ranger scales better with skill, the more skilled you are the better you will be, every class is like that but ranger scales even more mesmer aswell. Well written OP.

Sorry for the double post, but my first post can’t be edited apparently. So here’s a slight repost with the actual picture.

My Ranger ; Aliya Arrowsong with her main pet Leo the Snow Leopard
I usually use – Scorpio my Lashtail Devourer, Azrael the black Jaguar and Nasiya my owl.
Edit ; The Thief standing next to me is my guildie proudly displaying our guild emblem.

Also stop exaggerating people, this sole nerf didn’t make Ranger unplayable, those who say that this completly destroyed the class can’t either play Ranger or they want it to be easy faceroll and not so skill dependant, this didn’t ruin our class, however we didn’t deserve this nerf, but if it remains it still didn’t kill our class.

Rangers were not OP neither were they Underpowered before the nerf, I was happy with Rangers just the way they were. Some people want to complain that something is OP so they won’t have to strain themselves so hard to beat it, but GW2 is a game of skill and I like that the Ranger doesn’t 2 shot classes, puts some skill in the recipe, but the SB nerf was uncalled for.

Bleed based Shortbow and Survival spec.

30 Wilderness Survival – Shared Anguish – Hide in plain sight – Empathic Bond

20 Skirmish – Pet’s prowess – Quick Draw

20 Marksman – Malicious training – Piercing arrows

Start every fight with Axe and Warhorn or have it out all the time out of combat, so you can pop Call of the wild anytime it’s off cooldown.

When seeing an enemy in the distance, use the Hunter’s Call and Call of the wild if you haven’t already, your axe should be glyphed with Superior Ice and the Warhorn should be Sigil of Rage. After that use your Winter’s bite and swap to your shortbow, start training down as you usually do, this build gives you better survivability and better abilities to counter people who get in your face.

The shortbow has sigil of superior earth on, which combined with standing behind the enemy stacking bleeds.

Lightning Reflexes, Signet of renewal, Healing spring, Quickening Zephyr and entangle.

My Ranger ; Aliya Arrowsong with her main pet Leo the Snow Leopard

I usually use – Scorpio my Lashtail Devourer, Leo, Azrael the black Jaguar and Nasiya my owl.

Edit ; The Thief standing next to me is my guildie proudly displaying our guild emblem.