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Woah…a trap that can potentially remove a profession mechanic altogether. It’s like if a trap could remove warrior’s adrenaline or guardians’s virtues.

Seems the score are all awfully close! What is the next tier 7 matchup going to be?

DR vs NSP vs HoD
DR vs NSP vs GoM
SF vs NSP vs HoD
SF vs NSP vs GoM

Place your bet!

Good job SF and GoM. I really had doubts that you could do it but you are proving me wrong.

Pizz.3698:

Sevenred.3890:

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Sevenred.3890:

That you blame your lack of numbers to explain how we could make this happen is downright laughable though.

What’s really laughable is that you think NSP is the reason we are in t6 as opposed to IoJ.

Eat as much ratings from NSP than you did on HoD and you’re in tier 6. You didn’t, you stay in tier 7. SF is clearly superior to NSP right now, I’m saying we fought tooth and nails this week and that made you stay in tier7.

You’re right, a projected +32 rating is clearly because of NSP’s hard work. Thx !

edit: we only gained 21 last week. I guess you guys are really working hard to keep us here.

Ah well, seems you are right. We are doing more poorly than last week. As much as you may think the world revolve around you, what itnerest me is NSP’s rating. And it’s true that right now we gain less rating than last week so I concede on that.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Sevenred.3890:

That you blame your lack of numbers to explain how we could make this happen is downright laughable though.

What’s really laughable is that you think NSP is the reason we are in t6 as opposed to IoJ.

Eat as much ratings from NSP than you did on HoD and you’re in tier 6. You didn’t, you stay in tier 7. SF is clearly superior to NSP right now, I’m saying we fought tooth and nails this week and that made you stay in tier7.

BlazeQ.1095:

Wait, I thought I was the n00b commander on NSP…

Oopsie, totally forgot your guild name! Sorry for that :s

Pizz.3698:

i know you guys think we have an endless supply of players and queues in everymap, but no, we dont even have a queue for EB. So it’s not because it’s not worth it, we just dont have the coverage to defend EB, SFBL and start capping in NSPBL and HoDBL. It’s currently a 1v1 instead of a 1v1v1, so it’S normal that you bave the highest numbers of points for all the 2nd place.

You may have different views than me on the current score, but the sheer fact that we are not losing ratings after all is a clear win for me.

That you blame your lack of numbers to explain how we could make this happen is downright laughable though.

SF is NOT moving up. NSP is performing too well against them this week. And before you all go “LAWLZZ we beat you to the ground all week”, check the other matchups. We have the highest second place total. In my book, that means SF does not dominate us.

Now if HoD had not taken the week off, who knows what would have happened….me thinks SF would have a run for their money but heh, I’m just a n00b commander with no 5v5 leet skillz

Out of all current NA matchups, HoD is the server with the least points. And from what I’m hearing, when they do field, they attack NSP borderland.

Out of all current NA matchups, NSP is the second place server with the most points.

Just food for thoughts.

Holy cow!
Makes me wonder how good we’d be if we actually brought the battles to the other servers instead of within ourselves. I’m glad this game has no friendly fire…

I can easily see why these forums can turn somebody into a supreme troll so quick. So much hate going on sometimes…

Ping.5739:

Bet 10g NSP keep doesnt have any buff on and the claimer is TFG.

Oh yeah I am right again! Almost believe Sevenred’s “put on buffs on the reset night” statement

Malchior, what’s your wiki-copy-paste explanation this time?

Ping.5739:

LMBO finally i see buffs now, gj TFG but I think the keep will be gone soon

You can send the 10g to Moontrance, our guild leader. We can use any donations. Thank you!

Omne.4603:

Pugs calling out WvW guilds, love it. As far as my guild goes, we have a couple hundred K influence spare, but like most other WvW guilds you typically don’t just pop your buffs all over the place especially if you think you might be switching maps and not sitting in keeps all night.

TFG tries to keep the buffs active on keep at all time, especially at reset and during weekend, but as Malchior noted, this drain our influence pool quite significantly. Throw in some guild golems and catapults in the bunch and it makes it really hard for us to get anything other than guild bounties right now. Working on treks…

Gratz to Os for being the first guild (I think?) to complete the guild challenge on NSP though!

Meanwhile, I do not appreciate being called out a “selfish guild” with a “stupid white wolf” banner by people who probably appreciated more guild content than I did because my guild decided to do its very best to help our situation in WvW. But hey, I’m all hear if there are any ideas on how to generate a steady 25k influence daily.

Ping.5739:

Please chill, I am not solely blaming TFG for doing this. I am blaming most of the wvw guilds on this server.

Please consider that even large guilds can run out of influence to build those buffs. Also, as you noted, very few NSP guilds run buffs and you just called out one of those few despite the fact we are giving our very best effort in that matter. As for this specific forum vs our community forum….well do you really think that anything remotely close to server strategy has its place on such a public forum?

If you want to follow up on this discussion, please do so via PM or on our community forum. Meanwhile, I don’t think your are approaching this problem/situation the right way if you want to make things change but this is just me…. I mean, very few NSP guild managers (which I am not anyway), read or post in this thread. However, they get the news issued from different channels including the one I pointed to you. Just food for thoughts.

If you find any offense in anything I’ve said up to now, I’m really sorry. My friends and guildmates can tell you I am not the one to bait or troll.

Ping.5739:

“And no, I won’t go there to express about it. There is a reason why this post exist.

Alright then. If you want to drag this into open forums so be it.

TFg claimed the keep on reset for a few weeks now. We do run all the buffs on reset. We take pride in building it and putting siege for defense in there. We try to run as much buffs as it is possible during the week. We switch guild claiming during the week with guilds actively running buffs to make sure that the keep is in the best defendable position possible. Props to Calisto and LOST who helped us on that.

The fact that you are happy that the keep fell hands absolutely disgust me but I felt necessary to offer you to voice your opinion on a medium more suitable for those matters.

naphack.9346:

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

naphack.9346:

hm NSP knows where to take points from

In my defence, I’ve been trying to hit SF as much as possible, but pesky HoD keep coming to my bl and taking towers, so i always have to go back and slap them a few times, and have to restart momentum on SF again…

hey, hey, I never criticised you for anything. I just admired your readiness to take the path of least resistance to lead your server to as many points as possible.
The system rewards you for punching someone who is already on the ground, so do it!

Yup. That’s a lesson we’ve learned from HoD and GoM

I started to play in WvW when DR stomped us ironically. Never been queued except for 5 to 10 minutes for EB on reset night.

When people say we have queues I cringe. because it’s just terribly false. I would LOVE to have at least occasionnal queues but no…NSP had learned to live with the outmanned buff, not queues.

Ping.5739:

Noroz.9527:

Hey SF, how come none of you are talking about your zerg yesterday on EB? The one that had no structure.

I was running with my guild, [AS], and we were only 7 people. We seriously screwed you guys over, repeatedly. We didn’t wipe you with only ourselves, but you guys have absolutely no structure when you got hit by us. You were like chickens with their heads cut off.

Haven’t seen any NSP talked about our unorganized zerg neither. Bad troll, please go back to school and retake it.

What Noroz said is true though. I’ve been more level-headed than most in this thread but really your EB crew was a failiure last night. It’s bad enough when you can’t use your number advantage wisely but it’s even worse when you start losing your tower (aka Ogrewatch) to an outmanned crew.

Alright then, how do you justify that SF is currently handling us our worst week score since BP and AR double teamed us?

I don’t want to go into the coordination/skills debate but it’s clear you can solve any problem in WvW with numbers. The thing is there is a point where you can’t use numbers any longer. I think it’s around tier 4.

In the meantime, why wouldn’t SF use this advantage against us?

Good job breaking my armor SF

I’m always amazed at how our small groups get under the skin of zergs. I do not say that pejoratively, I also run with the zerg. But really, take some, let some go…and please don’t generalize. We do have a number of highly skilled small groups on NSP…doesn’t mean we don’t have a zerg that will fight yours tooth and nail until the end. Even under…..challenging odds.

It’s not like all your posters had a perfect attitude either.

I don’t mind SF too much. I mean, they clearly will win any matchups vs HoD and us but I still like figthing them. My main issue is that repelling SF takes so much of our ressources that we can’t even think about HoD. That hylek camp? Pff, clearly too far from our front line.

Good fightings with SF in EB yesterday. We traded towers a couple of time. That type of fighting is really straining and not really what we like to do but heh….gotta do what you gotta do…

I’m really trying to understand what is the issue specifically with thieves. Thieves have the lowest HP pool and medium armor. What do you want more?

Sometimes I feel like you all want to punish thieves who trait for the one trick pony backstab gimmick and at the same time punish those who prefer to sacrifice damage for mobility. I mean come on, can’t have it both ways.

Really, either guardians or D/D elementalists are just a very bad matchup for thieves.

But I’ve taught even rangers and engineers on how to handle thieves. Find a friend who play thief and go train 1v1 in sPvP some. Depending on the type of thief, making distance with the thief is always a good solution.

FilthyRat.4652:

I was taking shots within an hour of each other and those were the number that were on each of the still doesn’t match the armies on T8.

You’ve asked me specifically to post tier 7 screenshots at any given time because you didn’t feel that tier 7 had the numbers that tier 8 can have. I posted screenshots of my playtime yesterday. Look, this is silly. Every server has their peak periods and their off periods. I’m just suggesting you may have selected a suitable time for your tier 8 screenshots and a non-suitable time for you tier 7 screenshots.

Well I can only say HoD and GoM caught NSP at a very bad time. GoM started attacking Jerrifer right in the middle on my golem rush so it divided us very quickly. With HoD taking Aldon’s side and the fact I had drained the keep supplies….let’s just say I’ve created a very bad scenario for us. Sorry NSP, I screwed up. We made it to SM lord room without opposition just to see HoD appear at I would guess an SM timer reset.

I was asked to post screenshots of what I saw in tier 7. those screenshots were taken on Wednesday April 3rd between 9PM and 10PM Eastern Time.

You will notice a significant difference with what has been posted.

KyoHanakaze.8145:

When you put it that way, then you’re probably right, but that is also a much different scenario than what was asked. I’m just saying that, with our current server strengths and populations, I doubt that any of us would really lose if put up against SF in their current state. As for T6, I wouldn’t know. I’d love for HoD to move up, though, just because I had a lot of fun fighting Darkhaven.

Are you saying we are not a fun matchup??

Jokes! Take care HoD. Let’s see what you can do without that Overlook next week

Dynnen.6405:

Sevenred.3890:

Removing AoE cap altogether is probably not the best solution. I mean, you all think about the elementalist perspective. Let me give you my thief perspective: Shadow Refuge + Zerg + No AoE cap = Invisible army just like before the end of culling.

You really want to get back to that?

And no one would aoe the kitten outta that stealth house I’m assuming =P

I’m sure you can think of broken situations and abuse of a 12 second stealthed army

So basically we go from:
- Remove AoE cap, to;
- Remove AoE cap on offensive skills only, to;
- No really we only want the elementalist to crush zergs, mesmers are too OP already

I really doubt that the solution you elaborate is as simple as you suggest to implement because it would require too much new limitations.

Work with what is already in place. Sieges do not have such a restrictive AoE limit. Why not work around those?

And to repeat myself, I really wouldn’t mind some sorts of zerg busting builds with no AoE cap, but this won’t be fun if I constantly have 25 stacks of confusion and perma-crippled on me which punish me because I’m remotely close of a 5-men zerg busting group even when I’m solo.

Azaruil.3406:

Sevenred.3890:

I’d be curious to know what new HoD recruits think about this tier 7 matchup? Can HoD or any other server compete in higher tiers or would we get blown out by each and every tier 8 servers?

Having played in the top two tiers for a few months, I can tell you that any server in T7 would get completely crushed. In large part because of the huge population differences.

Obviously I wasn’t speaking of Tier 1 and 2. I was interested in comparing our servers to those in tiers 5 to 8. But thanks for your input

The problem may not be the AOE cap rather than the siege. Give better damage to Arrow Carts and I guarantee the zerg will spread out every time.

lettucemode.3789:

Nuzt.7894:

Sevenred.3890:

Removing AoE cap altogether is probably not the best solution. I mean, you all think about the elementalist perspective. Let me give you my thief perspective: Shadow Refuge + Zerg + No AoE cap = Invisible army just like before the end of culling.

You really want to get back to that?

This is the only valid argument I have seen, I’m sure there would be a work around but I’ll admit I’m not sure how without nerfing AoE stealths.

Is it capped now? I’ve seen 12-15 people use a single shadow refuge before.

It is capped to 5 like any other AoE. What you think about is mesmer’s veil which is not capped.

Understand me, I’m all for having a niche build for elementalist as anti-zerg specialists. I wouldn’t mind that. But really there is enough QQ on thieves already. You remove the AoE cap and most of the forums will want to ban the thief class completely.

Removing AoE cap altogether is probably not the best solution. I mean, you all think about the elementalist perspective. Let me give you my thief perspective: Shadow Refuge + Zerg + No AoE cap = Invisible army just like before the end of culling.

You really want to get back to that?

I’m actually now eager to fight you. You present a case where tier 8 servers have a stronger presence than now tier 5 servers. Remember that NSP fought against BP and AR for several weeks and this matchup was considered the most balanced at the time.

I can understand that FC and ET recently had transfers, but how did SF fell to tier 8 if they never had any business there?

Calisto, we may have to practice our zerg busting techniques because from what I see, NSP now have the smallest zerg core of all servers

NA primetime starts at 2PM Eastern?
Post a screenshot of tier 8 at the same time of the day just for fun.

Look, I understand the point you are trying to make. I do not have any screenshots to prove mine right now. In fact I’ve never taken any screenshots of my battles but I may start.

The best way we would have to verify that though would be that SF gets out of tier 8. Don’t lose too much rankings and you may just do that soon.

FilthyRat.4652:

airstu.2579:

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I loled

Thats exactly what I did last night when I logged into HoD at 7pm eastern time and there was a zerg of 25 running around in EB and about 15-20 taking stuff back in HoD bl. There were others there but most were defending points that weren’t under attack while other stuff was getting taken. If that is the winning team in T7 during a peak hour then you guys will enjoy your move to T8 after ET moves up.

So once SF moves up with the lowest score in T7 and blows the other teams out of the water what will happen to the scores of those teams?

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7PM Eastern time in EB, only 25 HoD? Granted I’ve logged from 8PM to 11PM Eastern, I can tell you there was a lot more HoD than that. I can’t remember the exact time but HoD definetely tried a golem rush to SM with a lot more than 25 people while I was there. Commander guild name was “thinkerer” or something like it.

I’d be curious to know what new HoD recruits think about this tier 7 matchup? Can HoD or any other server compete in higher tiers or would we get blown out by each and every tier 8 servers?

Alright then, let’s keep this thread updated on our open transfer windows

Diabien.6197:

it says it costs 1800 gems to transfer to NSP

Hmmm….interesting. They might have reverted back to medium population servers only. If that is the case, only ET, FC and HoD would qualify I guess…

Not at home right now so I can’t test it. Any other feedbacks on this?

Still, people who don’t like the higher tiers playstyle might enjoy T7/T8. I do not expect much in terms of whole guild transfers but maybe some individuals might be tempted. I don’t think it will unbalance our matchup too much which is great

We are the Kings of the North!!

I can’t say much about our PVE zones. I do know that we are considered as a premium PVE server though. You can always see for yourselves by guesting. I think the daily temple run is around 5PM server time (that means 8PM Eastern time). Put on your magic find gear and try it

Why would you want to transfer to NSP instead of just guesting? Well first I think we have a great community. Os (WvW flagship guild) was kind enough to start a community website, shiverpeaks.com . Hopefully this website can be used as a tool to appreciate this game even more. A server vent is also coming up for better WvW communication.

Speaking of the WvW, we have a dedicated player base which always makes the battles fun. We’ve been in different tiers in the last months but we always had close matches. Just look at our history. Obviously there are reasons why we are now in tier 7 but I think we’re all enjoying the fights with HoD and GoM right now. If you don’t like being lost in big zerg fests, you may like this tier too. I’m not saying zerg battles never happens….we do get skill lags in our 3 ways battles for SM…but you will see that small scale fights can be rewarding and meaningful.

I’m not sure how our WvW population compares to our current matchups. I think HoD might be a little underpopulated. What I do know though is that we often see our Outmanned buff on. I’m eastern time. I can say that around 11PM I often get the outmanned buff. Same thing around 7-8 AM.

Aussi, à mentionner, les Cimefroides nordiques ont une assez forte présence francophone. Si vous êtes francophone et que vous cherchez à pouvoir jouer un peu en français, je peux vous assurer qu’il n’est pas nécessaire de joindre un serveur européen. Il nous fera plaisir de vous accueillir!

For those who did not understand the previous paragraph, that was french. NSP has quite a sizeable french community too.

So I guess this is it. Feel free to ask us any questions

More important stuff than talking about PAXA right now Calisto. We can actually recruit for free too so we can have bigger zergs to hunt down PAXA!

HoD did not get transfers yet, but transfers are going to be free next week if you choose a medium population server. HoD qualifies as medium along with FC and ET. I think everybody expects some transfers due to that fact.

My problem with this is that server population does not correspond with WvW population. Kied, how many times did you get to queue on NSP? It might happen once in a while (mostly at reset on only one map), but it clearly doesn’t match our server population.

I guess we (NSP players) have to bring back our PVE population to WvW if we don’t want to lose ground.

You sir, have my respect.
Play the game the way you like, not the way people tell you to.