Guild Wars 2

Vekthor.8914:

Shadowdawn.7946:

Vekthor.8914:

ShroudedKoyo.6081:

One of the most obvious reasons a war could start is due to Asura comments. Asura are almost always insulting the intelligence of others.

Insults are not a reason for a full scale war.

In fact, they are often the reasons for wars, though it mostly seems to England starting them because for that. Asura are not the smartest race. They don’t have much common sense, they meddle in things they think they understand and many other reasons besides. Even if someone’s ugly, the social convention is not to point it out. Doing so constantly would get on anyone’s nerves sooner or later. If I repeatedly told an Asura it inventions sucked, when they did, they Asura would not like that. I would probably end up getting punched sooner or later too. What Asura lack is politeness. While other races are smart enough not to point out things like that, Asura are not. That doesn’t seem very smart to me. And an Asura/Charr war would end up stale-mate, anyone who says different is probably an idiot, or very arrogant.

I repeat, wars aren’t started by insults from one population to another.

A full-scale war requires commitment from the governement, from the people, means huge life losses and full economical focus geared towards the war effort. The tow it brings on life and the economy is way too high for wars to be start for such a frivolous reason.

It can happen for isolated incidents, maybe regional conflicts, but not for a full-scale war. If the region in which said conflict takes place is essential to both country’s economies and strategy, then it might evolve into a diplomatic dispute, but war won’t happen unless both countries/governements have another reason to do so. As I said, wars are too heavy a burden for the people involved for starting so easilly for mere words.

This fact is even less likely to take place in Tyria under its current situation. Both the Charr and the Aura are facing the dragon menance and have their own issues within their borders (ash legion and scalonian ghosts and the inquest) to focus on acquiring yet another enemy, and, even moreso, one that is currently an ally in the fighting against perhaps the greatest menance to the world (the dragons).

So no, a war wouldn’t not start between the Aura and the Charr based solely on Aura (or anyone’s) comments, no matter how snarky they were.

You are confusing war with total war. Wars dont have to be huge conflicts involving millions. No race in Tyria would be able to fight a war you are imagining simply because there is no industry, government or conscription on that scale. Just look at the middle ages/early modern times, here conflicts were not between governments, but between rulers with ambition. Only a small part of the population was involved in the war effort, rulers using their private armies and producers to fight each other. A war in Tyria would be fought on a scale like this, if you look at the political organisation of the races (krewes, legions/warbands, tribes). Full-scale wars can be fought on the level of Tyria, just look at the Punic wars. We could call this a full-scale war, both parties wanted to eliminate the other, yet not the whole economy and population was involved.

I agree that starting a war over insults might seem extreme, but what I meant in my post is that insults can lead to fights, grudges etc. Asura and Charr both have warbands/krewes which would side with their own members, so revenge for something done by the other side isnt really unthinkable. Your post seems ignore what insults can lead to. No war was ever started over insults alone, but what evolves out of it. Besides insults can be the result of a more racist mindset (for example, we are smarter, therefore the others are lesser races), which as history has proven has lead to horrible events.

Again I did take into account that both races have more pressing matters to take care of in a previous post. That is why I argued that this kind of conflict is the one I think could be started in the shortest possible time, because no sane person would start another war with so many other threats much closer.

On Humans, Norn and Sylvari. I didnt factor them in because of several reasons. They also face threats which they have to overcome first, Risen, Nightmare court, Centaur, followers of Jormag, Dredge etc. Furthermore none of these races will probably have a chance if we take away all other races/threats and only our unified 5 remain. The technology/magic of the Charr and Asura would probably make short work out of them. Both Asura and Charr have the edge over them in these aspect and I dont think these 3 races have the numbers to negate this significant advantage.

Zyrusticae.7245:

Ryuujin.8236:

MajorShock.4023:

But I wondered “What if they unified under one banner and formed a larger more cohesive group?” and that led to “What if they then decided to declare war on the others races?”

If you’ve played the infintiy ball story arc:
You'd know that based on analysis of alternative future timelines, in 3 out of 5 of the timelines, the dragons won. In 2 out of the 5 timelines the Asuran player character formed a meta krewe to rival the inquest, invented steam golem technology and conquered all of tyria (Some of which can be seen leaking out of temporal rifts in metrica and lornar's pass)

This post pretty much ends the debate, if there really was one to begin with.

Asura are the superior race. All should bow down before their blatantly superior overlords.

Ah a friend of mine also used this from his personal story. But simply put there is only one PC in Tyria for the personal’s story sake. So untill Arenanet tells us which race>gender>decisions character is considered canon (something they will never do since its an mmo), we dont even know if another Asura would come up with that idea.

It depends, it is a valid point you make. Most but not all Asura state these valid observations more then once. The question is how often it is needed to state this fact. For example if you had a fat girlfriend would you keep making the valid observation she is fat? For is a valid observation truly an insult?

Also violence might not be the lack of intelligence. See the Charr personal story spoiler, although the player is smarter than his warband leader, he still has to hold a fight in a arena as part of leadership tradition. It is their culture and even Asura respond to competition with violence (inquest).

Yes but i kept it in the same spirit as your argument. Again an example, Napoleon is widely recognized as a military genius, yet the generals who fought him are mostly forgotten. So I could point out that your statement is incorrect too, for a genius doesnt always win against less intelligent people. It involves a lot of factors.

One of the most obvious reasons a war could start is due to Asura comments. Asura are almost always insulting the intelligence of others. Well this might be accepted in their culture it isnt in the cultures of other races. Insulting a Charr or Norn would most likely end in a punch in the face. Imagine walking next to a big eared midget constantly calling you stupid and devaluate everything you say. How would you react to something like that? I just saw a thread started by an Asura player for being called a rabbit. If being called a rabbit is bad enough to start a thread how will people react to being called stupid (and much worse)?

Using my previous arguments on a war (mostly fractured leadership or civil war) and the current situation in Tyria I would say some offensive insult could get out of hand. If in the pact for example a Asura would insult a Charr and a fight would break out, Charr would probably side with the insulted Charr and Asura with the attacked Asura. Its not important who would win that fight but the consequences could be quite severe. Asura would be offended if they lost for they see themselves as superior, if Charr lost… Well lets put it this way, after they were driven from Ascalon by humans they held a grudge for about a 1000 years.

Haha Whiran you illustrates my argument perfectly :p and it gave me a good laugh, have my +1. If I would be hot-headed I could take offense to your post, but I dont. However I can turn that argument around easily:
Charr = giant lion
Asura = small child
Giant lion > small child
Therefore, Asura would be eaten.

Im a Charr player myself, but all my best friends are Asura, which share most world domination for Asura views. This is why I sometimes lurk around the Asura forums just to see what gets posted here versus Charr forums. Ive had this war between Charr and Asura a couple of times with them and I just wanted to contribute my views on a Asura-Charr war on this forum, already posted on Charr one:

A war between the Charr and Asura would probably end in some sort of stalemate, seeing as how neither race has the capability for a sustained offensive over such a distance. In the Asura forums they are pretty sure why they would win due to golems, gates for travel (military advantage in moving armies) etc.

I would first like to shoot down the idea that asura would just win. Asura tech is mostly based on magic which in most of their inventions results in the more notable ‘save my lab from the rampaging monsters’ events. That tech is not really battle tested in most cases. Asura mostly preferring to keep their inventions from the competition AKA other Asura which prevents mass production like Charr in weaponry.
Golems could be used against the Charr, but most share about the same size as a Charr. Resulting in fighting an enemy roughly the same size, stronger but slower (its movements less fluid and lacking battle instinct). The question is what material golems are made of? (I cant remember if arenanet said that Charr are superior in forging to the other races). This would affect the Charr’s ability to destroy them.

Gates are another argument used by people on the Asura forum, but the only Asura gate in Charr lands is in the Black Citadel. It is seperated from the city by a bridge and a gate. One of the npc’s metioned the bridge could be blown up in case of attack (and possibly the gate, he didnt say), again depending on how strong the material/magic is. Making the nearest gate Ebonhawke or the Norn city, which are both quite a distance from the lands of the Iron Legion, not to mention Blood Legion lands further north-east.
Last argument against Asura is that they are too divided at the moment. They operate in a krew which is their first and foremost loyalty when a conflict arisis, even with other Asura. The council of Asura either doesnt really care leading the Asura or doesnt have the power. It lets the Asura fight amongst themselves, seeing as how they dont consider the inquest evil while most krews have a vendetta against them for stealing research.

Now for the Charr I can be a little shorter (sorry for the long post :p). At the moment most of their forces are tied up fighting the Flame legion and the Ascalonian ghosts. Not even able to take out Ebonhawke, which although supported by Kryta shouldnt be a match for the full might of 3 combined legions.
For leadership they have the problem of 3 legions who dont want any of the other to rule them. Fighting a war against the Asura would require good co-operation but the legions take care of their own interests first.
Lastly its the distance, which is huge. Logistical issues to supply a army at Rata Sum are one of the biggest problems. Not having gates like Asura or bordering an ocean to ship supplies from everything would have to be shipped over the Shiverpeaks. For example just food would be a huge issue, seeing as Charr only eat meat. Meat will most likely spoil over such a long distance, not to mention the large amounts that Charr require. So their supply trains would need to include cattle which would also have to be fed, since every region such a train would move trough would quickly be out of fodder.

This is just my view on a Charr and Asura war. I have named the arguments I think are of the greatest importance (again I think). But others undoubtly have other arguments to contribute to such a discussion. I would apologise for any spelling mistakes as I am not a native speaker.

tl;dr A Charr-Asura war would most likely end in a stalemate in which neither side would get the upper hand. (BTW I am a Charr player myself, im all for supporting our goals for world domination, but just being realistic :p)

A war between the Charr and Asura would probably end in some sort of stalemate, seeing as how neither race has the capability for a sustained offensive over such a distance. In the Asura forums they are pretty sure why they would win due to golems, gates for travel (military advantage in moving armies) etc.

I would first like to shoot down the idea that asura would win. Asura tech is mostly based on magic which in most of their inventions results in the more notable ‘save my lab from the rampaging monsters’ events. That tech is not really battle tested in most cases. Asura mostly preferring to keep their inventions from the competition AKA other Asura which prevents mass production like Charr in weaponry.
Golems could be used against the Charr, but most share about the same size as a Charr. Resulting in fighting an enemy roughly the same size, stronger but slower (its movements less fluid and lacking battle instinct). The question is what material golems are made of? (I cant remember if arenanet said that Charr are superior in forging to the other races). This would affect the Charr’s ability to destroy them.

Gates are another argument used by people on the Asura forum, but the only Asura gate in Charr lands is in the Black Citadel. It is seperated from the city by a bridge and a gate. One of the npc’s metioned the bridge could be blown up in case of attack (and possibly the gate, he didnt say), again depending on how strong the material/magic is. Making the nearest gate Ebonhawke or the Norn city, which are both quite a distance from the lands of the Iron Legion, not to mention Blood Legion lands further north-east.
Last argument against Asura is that they are too divided at the moment. They operate in a krew which is their first and foremost loyalty when a conflict arisis, even with other Asura. The council of Asura either doesnt really care leading the Asura or doesnt have the power. It lets the Asura fight amongst themselves, seeing as how they dont consider the inquest evil while most krews have a vendetta against them for stealing research.

Now for the Charr I can be a little shorter (sorry for the long post :p). At the moment most of their forces are tied up fighting the Flame legion and the Ascalonian ghosts. Not even able to take out Ebonhawke, which although supported by Kryta shouldnt be a match for the full might of 3 combined legions.
For leadership they have the problem of 3 legions who dont want any of the other to rule them. Fighting a war against the Asura would require good co-operation but the legions take care of their own interests first.
Lastly its the distance, which is huge. Logistical issues to supply a army at Rata Sum are one of the biggest problems. Not having gates like Asura or bordering an ocean to ship supplies from everything would have to be shipped over the Shiverpeaks. For example just food would be a huge issue, seeing as Charr only eat meat. Meat will most likely spoil over such a long distance, not to mention the large amounts that Charr require. So their supply trains would need to include cattle which would also have to be fed, since every region such a train would move trough would quickly be out of fodder.

This is just my view on a Charr and Asura war. I have named the arguments I think are of the greatest importance (again I think). But others undoubtly have other arguments to contribute to such a discussion. I would apologise for any spelling mistakes as I am not a native speaker.

tl;dr A Charr-Asura war would most likely end in a stalemate in which neither side would get the upper hand. (BTW I am a Charr player myself, im all for supporting our goals for world domination, but just being realistic :p)

Although the challenge to the dungeons are what makes them fun some are just too much. Doing Sorrow’s Embrace story mode was just great with a group of guild members. That is untill we reached Kudu and his gollems. The first gollem went ok but the second one spams attacks like there is no tomorrow. Coupled with healing on removing conditions it was enough to make people ragequit.

We fought him for an hour, trying out different tactics and trying to avoid conditions as much as possible. Even with only one condition on him he can still heal a decent amount and coupled with the damage he does (1,6k hits on lvl 80’s with 80 gear and traits) it was impossible. Dont try to say learn to dodge please. We dodged and healed as much as we could but those cooldowns are way higher then that 1,6 k spam attack he uses twice every 10 seconds.

In the end after dying over a dozen times to it we decided to call it quits. After 2 of our party just quit angry after having spent over 50 silver on repairs. Dont nerf dungeons, but please check some of the more crazy bosses. I liked the idea of free dungeon repairs, because its the reason most of our members hate dungeons. The costs far outway the gains.

Ive had the same problem. I bought for 1,5 gold worth of crafting materials. Never got my materials or my gold back, even after they took the tp offline and put it back up. That was 75% of my money.

I lost about 1,5 gold on the trading post an hour before they took it offline. Now its up but still no sight of the items I bought or the money I lost. Making money in this game already isnt that easy, but this is just annoying, that was 75% of all the money I had. >:(