Guild Wars 2

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@Julie.Yann & @FatRaKoon
I think you both have solid points on why it is effective

I think Julie.Yann has explained the core mechanics that make it strong and FatRaKoon has touched on how Cele has taken that power to the next level. Seems to me that you two essentially agree … unless I’m missing some.

@SilTheLimitless
Go sit at the kids-who-don’t-read table with the other two … or read and notice I agreed to baselining quite a few posts back now. Baselining two traits even.

You’re so far back on the posts that you’re replying to it’s not even funny at this point …

If you think I was cherry-picking, then please find something I didn’t touch on … though, sorry, that does require you to read.

I put forth a good deal of effort to try to not miss any points … hence my bloody walls of text that Juba is complaining about.

Well by me saying that I was done, i thought i gave the impression that i was done. But since you replied to me still, i just wanted to clear some things up on your reply. So no, i did not read anything else, because as I said before, i was done. But my bad if i hurt your feelings or anything. It’s not a thing where i intentionally meant to drag this on, as we all started sounding like broken records. Regardless though, this “argument” seems to have ended. No reason to continue it or anything any further, and don’t mind me if i’ve come across as a kitten. Easily carried away.

Anyway though, good day to you

Your comparisons between warriors and mesmers are very, very poor. The fact that you’re comparing them to begin with just shows your lack insight on warriors. Quality doesnt equal quantity. You can keep listing ways that warriors can build adrenaline, but fact remains compared to the ways mesmers can produce clones, there is no comparison to begin with. All mesmers builds have the things you’ve listed for clones, all warriors do not have what you’ve listed. You even listed a few that makes you seem desperate. Keep bringing this up if you like, but it’s not helping your case. Fact is you can’t compare classes based on their class mechanics alone. Not sure why you keep doing it. Once again, not helping your case. Also being snared, dazed, crippled, blinded, blocked, simply dodged, porting, stunned. Yes we do have a number of stuff that really kills our adrenaline burst skills.

High hp and more defence only gets you so far, against big burst it’s all the same. Damage mitigation through stealths, teleports, blinds, and blocks are much more valuable. I wouldn’t mind giving up some of our hp in turn for some protection.

You’re only cherry picking points you know you have something to say about. Give me another pvp build other than shoutbow that uses utilities that are considered offensive in pvp/wvw. Choosing to not remember me saying that 3 stances can be kited easily, it’s not making you look great. Now before you say some of other classes utilities can be kited, no, they can still retaliate thanks to the range of their skills. Guardians too may be kited, however their utilities don’t work in a way where they need to be kited.

And regarding your constant reference to electrolytes. No i have not seen the movie, nor was my comment related to anything to do with it or being compared to it. Yours just felt random, so i thought hey this looks fun, why not throw something random in too and boom tomatoes.

Now look, I am done with making any points, as i’ve said, we see things differently, and that’s fine. But if you’re gonna compare things, at least gain some proper insight on the class involved and compare them fairly, not just grabbing a few things here and there that look good on paper.

Once again beating around the bush. Just like in every one of your other posts in this threat. I tried to give it to you straightforward, but i now see youre being quite immature too. Once again comparing mesmers clones to warriors adrenaline. Very smart of you. Cause mesmers have such limited ways of creating clones. Regardless, this isnt a warrior vs mesmer topic. Your bullet points were silly too. You even had to involve a shoutbow trait, you seem desperate. In 2 other points they directly link to the burst skill itself, which once again once dodged, then what? what about the 25%? it’s a trait aimed at double melee builds, common sense why it’s there. And finally your last bullet point, most classes have a 10% damage increase minor trait. We get a master trait that not everyone uses and could either work for against us (lack of boons, waste of trait).

And ok sure, weaponswap is indeed 10 sec not 15-20 sec. Then i shall also tell you fast hands exists, not doesnt exist. Whoa, im a genius.

“Warrior has more than offensive abilities as utilities. In fact, most competitive builds use more of the defensive Warrior utilities than the offensive ones” most? haha, shoutbow alone counts as most now? Most of the other builds will run triple stances which can be kited for their duration.

Point i’m making is, i’ve read both sides of the argument. And based on the points that have been made, and your replies. It just doesn’t seem like certain things are sinking in. (oh look i can be immature too) And i am basing that you haven’t played warrior that long based on your argument. Maybe you lack insight on warriors not experience

To end this, warriors need it to just stand a chance, not necessarily in pve though. Remember “Warriors” not shoutbows. This doesnt seem like it’s going anywhere, but im done anyway.

…or you can keep telling me that a tomato is a vegetable (ha we’re so funny!)

First of all, you really don’t seem like someone that plays a warrior. If you had for at least a decent amount of time, then you’d know the answer as to why Fast Hands is necessary for the warrior class. But just because you seem like the stubborn type who’s not considering all aspects of why Warriors need it.

Utilities and class mechanics. What do warriors have? just another offensive skill within the burst skill. Each and every other class has the utilities to survive without the need of a 5 sec weapon cd. Here, if you’d like fast hands to be removed, on whatever class you play try swapping weapons only every 15-20 cd. You’ll see how naked you’ll feel.

Another thing, warriors have really telegraphed moves, once you dodge them (which is rather easy) they’re open to be heavily punished as they’ll have nothing to lean back on. And that’s what our class mechanic is, skills that can easily be dodged.

You say “The fact that Illusionary Persona isn’t used by all Mesmer builds points out how it isn’t nearly as powerful for the class as Fast Hands” so what? theyre different classes. Give us frickin shatters, more utilities or what not to be more active, and we can give up fast hands. I noticed based on previous pages, long and detailed thing didn’t convince you. So i’ve tried keeping it as simple as I could. If you still can’t see why fast hands is a necessity for warriors, then we just see things differently, and you should worry more about your own class.