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I’ve noticed with gw2 that it is a battle of proficient gamers vs casual gamers… the proficient gamers went through everything easily, they don’t think any of the dungeons are challenging, and they feel like the game has very little content… yet a bunch of casuals who will hit that point in a few months are sitting here telling them they play incorrectly? Since when is being the most efficient in your rotations and completing tasks, playing incorrectly?
It’s not proficient vs. casual, it’s time played. The “proficient” just have 10 times the amount of hours put in.
Why do people always confuse casual with bad? Casual just as much means players that only log in for 1-2 hours a day or possibly even gasp skip a day!
PS- I agree with most of your other points in this thread.
Wrong… proficient gamers don’t necessarily have to be hardcore, whether they play a ton or a little, they still do everything more quickly and more efficiently.
It might take a proficient gamer an hour to do something a casual would do in 3 hours. I don’t mean casual as in play time, I mean casual as in attitude… the whole “I am going tokittenaround, not really know what i’m doing, and just hit my spells in a way that seems to make sense to me”.
These people consume content more slowly, and because of their careless attitude they often don’t play as much. (People that aren’t passionate about a hobby often would invest less time in such a hobby)
Sheen, your making statements that have some validity to them, but your offering them in a very derogatory way. I wouldn’t associate “casual” gameplay as “careless” gameplay.
Sorry I’m not the type to sugarcoat reality. I think the sugarcoating and coddling of certain playstyles are the reason mmorpgs in this day and age lack so much challenge and content in the first place.
Well, again you associate “casual” with “careless”.
I consider myself a “casual” player, since I can’t really devote more than a few hours of gameplay on weekdays, but I also tend to blow through challenges because I don’t have as high a learning curve.
And i’ve already clarified I mean casual in attitude, not in time investment. So I don’t know why your mithril armor is in a bunch.
From the first post on it: "…yet a bunch of casuals who will hit that point in a few months are sitting here telling them they play incorrectly? "
No one is taking months to get to 80 because they are inept. A child or mentally challenged person could hit 80 in a month given the time to do it. Leveling isnt hard even if you die every 10 minutes, you’ll still hit 80 almost as fast as a normal player if that is your intent.
You will rarely find the “casual in attitude” players on the forums. Anyone who cares enough about a game to read about it online is putting in some effort. It is well known that forum goers for MMOs make up a small percentage of the total.
When I think of “grind” I think of slogging through Molten Core in 2005 for months to get one thing I needed and being presented week after week with Nightslayer Shoulders and kittening Thunderstrikes. Then repeating it in BWL, AQ ad nauseum.
You speak the truth, but that’s old school MMO grind. No (western) MMO has been like that for a long time, so when Anet said they were removing grind, I don’t think they were saying “The grind will not be as bad as say….2005 Molten Core.” 
I’ve noticed with gw2 that it is a battle of proficient gamers vs casual gamers… the proficient gamers went through everything easily, they don’t think any of the dungeons are challenging, and they feel like the game has very little content… yet a bunch of casuals who will hit that point in a few months are sitting here telling them they play incorrectly? Since when is being the most efficient in your rotations and completing tasks, playing incorrectly?
It’s not proficient vs. casual, it’s time played. The “proficient” just have 10 times the amount of hours put in.
Why do people always confuse casual with bad? Casual just as much means players that only log in for 1-2 hours a day or possibly even gasp skip a day!
PS- I agree with most of your other points in this thread.
Wrong… proficient gamers don’t necessarily have to be hardcore, whether they play a ton or a little, they still do everything more quickly and more efficiently.
It might take a proficient gamer an hour to do something a casual would do in 3 hours. I don’t mean casual as in play time, I mean casual as in attitude… the whole “I am going tokittenaround, not really know what i’m doing, and just hit my spells in a way that seems to make sense to me”.
These people consume content more slowly, and because of their careless attitude they often don’t play as much. (People that aren’t passionate about a hobby often would invest less time in such a hobby)
I still don’t understand why casual means idiot. That’s kind of how you describe it. To me a casual player is someone that doesn’t play the game like it’s another job and plays when they feel like or “casually”.
I’ve always considered myself a casual player even though I play most days for a couple hours and always read up on classes, rotations, etc.
To me, it would make more sense for you to say that GW2 is a battle between proficient players and bad players because that’s what you make casual out to be.
In my years of wow, the endless debate between hardcore and casual meant raiders vs. non-raiders. Over the years, that has changed to mean hardcore = good and casual = bad when in reality, it can very well just mean people who don’t raid or people who play less than 3 hours a day.
Anyway….semantics. /endthreadhijack :P
I’ve noticed with gw2 that it is a battle of proficient gamers vs casual gamers… the proficient gamers went through everything easily, they don’t think any of the dungeons are challenging, and they feel like the game has very little content… yet a bunch of casuals who will hit that point in a few months are sitting here telling them they play incorrectly? Since when is being the most efficient in your rotations and completing tasks, playing incorrectly?
It’s not proficient vs. casual, it’s time played. The “proficient” just have 10 times the amount of hours put in.
Why do people always confuse casual with bad? Casual just as much means players that only log in for 1-2 hours a day or possibly even gasp skip a day!
PS- I agree with most of your other points in this thread.
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