Guild Wars 2

You seem to be under the impression that I need to explain anything. I don’t work for A.Net and even if I was I’m under no obligation to entertain you with an explanation… however since I am being charitable…

There are multiple problems with a fast spammable route and no DR attached to it.

1. Too many tokens per day: Prior to DR’s implementation you could earn between 400-600 tokens a day if you had enough time on your hands. Considering that an entire exotic set costs 1380 tokens that means you could have an entire set within the space of a weekend. Your ‘end game’ would essentially be over in 3 days time. After all why would you need to buy or craft any other set? You already have a full set of exotics and on the off hand that you do need another set, well you can just spend another weekend running fast spammable dungeon routes until you get it.

2. Time spent vs reward gained: I’ve said it and you confirmed it, there are some dungeon routes out there (CoF path 1 comes to mind) that are fast and spammable. Essentially you’re earning superior rewards with minimal time/effort investment. My opinion is that if you want the best gear you should put in a significant amount of effort to earn it. Constantly running fast, spammable dungeon routes is not even comparable to someone who runs all the paths of a particular dungeon and actually works for his exotics. Now I’m not saying you don’t deserve the best gear, but what I am saying is that you shouldn’t get it faster than people who are putting in more effort than you are.

3. No other routes would be done at all: Without DR the only dungeons being run at all would be the fast spammable routes. Forget any other explorable mode paths, why spend 40+ minutes running a second more challenging path for a better reward when you can just run the easy route over and over and over again. Path 2 for most dungeons is considered one of the better paths simply because the reward is greater and the effort required is moderate however 90% of the time before DR no one ran it because path 1 was easy, fast and whatever reward you earned in path 2 could be easily outdone by running path 1 twice or even three times.

Those are just three reasons that I can think of off the top of my head, all of them quite valid.

Also nice attempt to jab at my RL situation. FYI just because I say you can run 4 dungeons a day doesn’t mean I do. Like you I also have a job, unlike you I don’t complain when something doesn’t work the exact way I want it to because I actually grew up without a massive sense of entitlement.

You want the best rewards for minimal/no effort, and that simply is not how MMOs work.

That first part already contradicts everything you’ve been doing the moment you started posting here. For someone that doesn’t need to “entertain” anyone, you sure do try to include a lot of wit and coy into your responses, attempting to show a sense of apathy, clearly lacking however from your continuous responses.

1. You can farm and craft an exotic set in a day. So just remove crafting altogether then? It’s waaaay faster than 3 days. Not only that, you don’t need 4 other people to do it. It looks horrible, but it is the “best” you can get. Endgame would be over in a day if you did. Just remove crafting altogether then?

2. Again, crafting comes to mind. It’s a lot less time, so it seems you’d have a problem with anyone in a crafted set of gear. In fact, it’s purchasable with rl money if converting gems to gold. That could be done in sheer minutes. God forbid you see anyone in any of those sets, I guess. Their time spent vs. reward gained is out of this world.

3. I actually am not going to disagree here. But that is a design flaw in my opinion. If other paths are more challenging, they should have better rewards. Path 2 and 3 should give better rewards than path 1.

And there you go again contradicting yourself. You grew up with a massive sense of entitlement, but you’d have a problem if DR did not exist. Not sure how it would affect you, other than other people maybe getting things faster than you. You clearly have problems with that as an underlying theme in your messages. Why do you care what other people have?

And again, God forbid you run into someone with a crafted set. That’s clearly not how MMOs work.

Kynmarcher.2184:

but quoted me

I only quoted you because of your hideous analogy in comparing this game to a pizza.

Perhaps I worded my post wrong when I said you needed to take a break from farming, but I stand by everything else I’ve said which is that DR is hurting bots and that the wild assumptions from people saying it doesn’t cannot hold up in an argument.

There are optimal ways for you to farm for tokens so use them if that’s what you -really- want. Four runs per day for 180 tokens per dungeon provided that you don’t complete any run in under 30 minutes. Stop whinging because you took the fast spammable route and as a result your reward is being cut by anti-botting mechanisms.

And you’re still unable to explain what the problem is with a “fast spammable route”. You can’t say it’s gold cause you clearly said it’s not needed, so what’s the problem with it? At this point, no matter what you say it will contradict something else you said. It’s like you’re disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing. And some of us are actually employed, and don’t have time to run 4 dungeons a day like you. Not “whinging”. Just stating the obvious that this system is a poor solution to what, according to you, is a non-existent problem Since gold is something you don’t need, right?.

I run the dungeons for the gear for my characters. I actually like the skins and they actually have the stats I need. If it didn’t give all those other things, I’d still run them for the skins. This game advertised itself as cosmetic upgrades, so why is it such a big deal and cut down on tokens from the runs? You keep talking about the “farm” being the problem, and keep saying I can’t “farm” as well, and this and that about the “farm”. In defense of those who actually do it for the gold, Doesn’t it contradict yourself to speak of “farm” in a negative manner when you yourself stated the things you can buy with the gold are not -needed-? So why care if others have them? In fact, why care what gold farmers are doing if what you can buy isn’t -needed-?

Then you said you read all the posts, but quoted me and told me to take a break from “farming” too much. So again, 50 minutes of playing time with 6 hours of time in between in one day is “too much”? Elaborate then your definition of “too much”.

Kynmarcher.2184:

Xaenca.5361:

The way it feels with DR is like you order a pizza. The delivery guy brings you one slice and tells you he MIGHT just give you another slice maybe tomorrow or a chance of another slice if you go eat some breadsticks in between slices… But you paid for the pizza…

That’s not even close to being accurate.

You paid $60 for the game and you got all the content the game provided. You’re not losing access to any content because you’re not rich (granted you’re not going to be buying full T3 cultural gear without gold but that’s one set of armor, and you don’t even really -need- it). You’re not paying for a subscription, you’re not even paying additional cash for new content when it releases (save for when it’s actually a boxed/digital expansion). That in no way compares to getting a slice of pizza (1/10 of the content) when you’ve paid for the entire pizza (all of the content).

DR affects everyone in the game and it’s there for a good reason. It still combats bots, despite wild assumptions made by posters in this thread and if it’s working why get rid of it? Because you can’t farm as efficiently? If it bugs you that much that you can’t farm as well as you used to after you’ve already done some farming take a break. Don’t ask A.Net to make the game worse (by encouraging gold sellers) just so you all can have a better farm session.

If you read my post you’d realize that I ran the place twice, and I had a 6 hour break in between… Jesus man, what more of a break do I need in between two runs? Also, that your post assumes everyone enjoys all the other content the game provides. It’s not even worth responding when I know you didn’t read half of what people were talking about, yet can throw things like “wild assumptions” in to your post when you’re the one assuming things…

I agree. A lot of skins are pretty sweet except for their colors not matching mine. Woild love to see this happen.

My opinion on bots is the same as those who posted before me. DR affects everyone, not just bots. And agreeing with previous posts, it affects players more than bots as bots don’t care as they can just keep making accounts with whatever they earned from selling gold. Anti-bot solutions should not affect the active playerbase as DR so blatantly does.

The way it feels with DR is like you order a pizza. The delivery guy brings you one slice and tells you he MIGHT just give you another slice maybe tomorrow or a chance of another slice if you go eat some breadsticks in between slices… But you paid for the pizza…

That was to Kal btw not Goat who had at least something intelligible to say.

From that post I assume you’re someone who cares when other people amass things out of your reach which makes the boo hoo part kind of ironic. I don’t. If you have 10 million gold, then good for you. However way you got it is irrelevant to me, I just want to do what I want to do and if it gets me to that point then fine. if not, fine. But don’t punish me for doing it.

Not to mention it deters from the community driving aspect of parties. Let’s say I run something once. Then I get into another party and did it again. We have a blast and they want to do it again cause we had a good time… I, on the other hand am afraid DR is about to hit me so I decline. Group now thinks I’m a jerk for leaving when I wouldn’t havr even thought of leaving otherwise.

CureForLiving.5360:

Yeah the design philosophy goes something like: “the game shouldn’t a second job, it should be fun. Farming is not fun.”

Unfortunately this doesn’t go over very well with most MMO players who seem to really really like grinds.

But then, in no way does DR go anywhere near the notion of fun, no matter what you’re doing. Normally, peoples’ rl jobs force them to do things they don’t necessarily want to do at one point or another. DR does that to you. You can’t keep doing things you actually enjoy, you need to stop and go do something that you may not enjoy to get rid of the DR. So it’s more like a second job with DR.

But then wouldnt people just leave and rejoin?

Once a day isn’t enough.

It’s like they’re on some warpath to limit what you can do with your time. What’s next? You can only play for 1 hour a day before you get locked out?

Long story short, I had 30 minutes free so I ran cof 1 for the first time of the day and got 60 tokens. 6 hours later, I only had 20 minutes so options on what to do being limited I ran it again on a different character… Got 30 for first time on it. I never understood the reasoning behind DR to begin with, but that’s just unacceptable when you have work and just wanna do something quick and have that kick in on your 2nd run of the day. You said it wouldn’t affect casual players… Elaborate then how that makes sense. Players should be free to do what they want with their time and no matter how much of it as they please, not punished if they enjoy certain things and do them a lot… If twice a day is a lot…..

The way I see it, a pug is someone I’m not associated with. I don’t avoid pugs because I think they’re trash or can’t complete the task at hand. Most pugs are actually skilled enough to do so. It’s more that the lack of association makes it possible that they won’t try to or stick around when things don’t work out. Someone you’re associated with is more likely to cooperate and do those things.

This would make sense if you actually got something for winning or being in a higher tier… Which you don’t…

Don’t think you can claim others as emo in a negative manner when you complainas much as you do.

kefro.9312:

wvwvw is going 24/7, but the points will go on 2 or 3 night with 500/600 points per tick so after some days is useless to even join in wvwvw.
The true score is what you see at weekend day time when the numbers are balanced. After that is just pure player vs doors if you are happy with that cause you win even when it was proved you were much worse when the players number is balanced… good for you.

You started a thread about this where no one agreed with you. Posting the exact same thing on other threads won’t change that. Sorry to be frank. Just saying.

Omg my server can’t win. Why play this game if it won’t spoon feed me bragging rights? This game will die if this doesn’t change!…… Lots of this 24/7.

Title. Currently buffs affect those closest to you whether you’re in party or not, even when those in your party are in range of them. It would promote more interesting team dynamics imo. Thoughts?

Did it ever occur to you that on the weekends it also means the better guilds can’t get in because of the q? As others stated there’s pretty much qs all week long for all three servers. Speaking on numbers when each BL has player caps… Our 70 whatever people 3 to 1s your 70 something people? Absurd.