Guild Wars 2

Yep I play a tank/bunker ranger and while we have ok condi removal we don’t have FAST condi removal and classes that reapply conditions at a super fast pace will own us, the conditions slice through like butter.

I feel as a tank ranger I can solo this boss and I tend to do AMAZING against him in a group. I use Axe/Horn and a GS and frankly I never feel scared it comes down to gameplay, skill and doing the right thing and making the right choices. People who want to run in and blast away without any thought will get killed rather fast.

Atherakhia.4086:

The class is still a waste of time in my opinion. The problems with the class are at it’s very core and will likely never be resolved or acknowledged.

The Pets are still an enormous liability in PvP and Dungeon based PvE. AE’s still do too much damage to them, they account for far too much of the ranger’s damage, and they still don’t scale properly based off gear which means you will only slightly improve because of the handicap whereas your pet will see next to no changes once 80,

The class still has no utility for PvE or PvP to get prime group placement. If you ask around, most will tell you they only want you for helping with crowd control, which even an elementalist can do, or for your healing well. That’s it.

The class still has no real burst damage which means its role in structured PvP is also quite limited because you aren’t a good roamer or a good train class. You have no good AE’s, you have very few real escapes, and the tools you have to keep people snared/rooted, while plentiful, are easily countered and invalidated by other classes.

The class still has FAR too many useless skills and traits. About 1/4th the skills for this class have no functional use whatsoever. A further 25% more have such limited use they are almost never used because you won’t find yourself in the scenario to use them with enough forethought to actually have them activated. Then you have others that are just so good (and by ‘so good’ for a ranger is really stretching the term) that you can’t go without using them in any situation. Things like QZ or SotH.

Then to top it all off, the trait trees make next to no real sense and are completley unorganized. There’s no way to spec the class in different playstyles. There are some traits that you almost need regardless of build because of how poorly designed the class is (EB for example) whic greatly limit how you can build the class in PvP.

So while any improvement to this class is met with much satisfaction and joy, the fact that all of the changes this class just got were quality of life changes that all classes got and nothing really specific to this class says that while the class as a whole did improve, it’s placement among the other classes hasn’t shifted and we are still fighting for last place with Engineers and Necromancers.

I don’t think you are wrong in every statement but you go FAR too far in some of your statements.

1)Pets in dungeons are liabilities? What pets are you using, some of them are so fragile I don’t bother taking but I have had pets do me wonders and yes some might die but you swap em use the ability etc and try to get some dmg out of em. Yes I wish they were better but they aren’t a Liability.

2)Viable builds. I play a ranger tank, I have primarily power toughness vit and some healing, with protection almost always on and regen on and my other tricks i can handle almost any fight. (that doesn’t mean u stand and swing etc, it means dodges, blocks, kiting etc)

Decently Evil.9648:

Hey Thief,

Doing fractals? Use Shadow refuge!

Not assassins signet or haste.

Please and thank you thief.

-Sincerely Don’t-tell-other-classes-what-to-do-concentrate-on-your-own-class.

P.S. I’m only joking (Kind of)

I realize you are only joking but I find this is the WORST attitude that I have constantly seen in EVERY MMO.

1)Healing spring is the best heal us rangers have bar non.
1a)In a dungeon when you need to use teamwork it is even better.
2)TEAMWORK, if i see someone going into a dungeon run with a ME FIRST Glass Cannon build I groan, because that person will be doing nothing but asking for people to get them up all the time rather then do actual damage and will most likely have no idea how to work with the team.
3)Someone saying "don’t tell me how to play my class (once again the person who made the quote stated it as a joke but there are others who don’t) shows the utmost form of ignorance.
You don’t need to play another class to know when certain things are required to be done by other classes. Teamwork is not class specific.
4)Finally to assume you being 80 in a class know that class so well that no one else can give you tips or advice to me just shows stupidity.

Victory.2879:

I’m actually using the prot spirit on my ranger in wvw atm- if they got a buff I’d be a much happier bunny but being able to sometimes provide a team or area with damage reduction for a few seconds actually can make a difference.

Proper use of traits and bows will do more damage than waving your GS around and at the same time I’m not being squished by any decent warrior that unloads on u.

Risen are a joke- speed buffed or not they generally don’t reach you if u put a pet in the way and use LB/SB skills – and by the time they reach you they are generally just ready to pop their loot at your feet as they die.

The real nasties are kraken on the new area, which eat pets for breakfast and rangers shortly after- can’t imagine what they must be like to try on a melee ranger.

Personally I’ll stick to around 1600 toughness unbuffed and to keeping out of reach of melee players.

Having said that in pve it can be fun sometimes to swop weapons etc around and smash away on mobs..but then i can do that on my guardian and warrior so don’t feel much need on ranger:-)

I am a tank ranger I use Gs + Axe+WH and the karka (not kraken) are a joke, in fact as a tank ranger focusing on survival healing etc etc being as tough as i can I can tank anything in the game pretty much. Is it the best tank out there? Perhaps not but i suits my playstyle and I love it.

My main goal these days has been the pleasure i get doing a dungeon and someone scoffing at me being a ranger tank until i prove it to them, the satisfaction is quite nice.

On a side note and a question for you guys, what do you think is better Vit or Healing.

I am of 2 minds, Vit gives you the hps to live longer but higher healing with regen and healing and whatnot can perhaps counter a smaller hp with more hp healed in the long run.

I am trying to juggle the numbers but i am finding it hard to figure out the true levels of healing as it applies to regen and healing from healing spring.

ie if losing 2k hp is worth having maybe 50 more regen a tick etc…

Saviolakos.6473:

What Trait path you have, Zaqir?

I only play WvWvW and sometimes do some dungeon runs. I went on toughness too, not healing though. I made a kinda balanced set up so i have 2k+ toughness, 3k armor but also 3k+ power, 40%+ crit rate….a kind of hybrid build. I prefer using longbow as it helps a lot in WvWvW and axe/warhorn. I feel the same with you, although I do feel that rangers need some kind of boost to reach the other classes.
TBH, I never regret changing my set up from full power to toughness/survivnig more style, as I stay alive longer in pvp now and I’m not a glass cannon. I buff my allies as much as I can with my warhorn, using my healing spring that helps them remove conditions so I do feel that I am doing something and I don’t feel so useless.

Most of my stuff has soldier stuff on it but my accessories etc

I go 30 in power
30 in toughness
10 in vit

So I am a ranger, fully exod out and I am gonna say I love my class and build. Can things be improved for us as a whole, yes big time but I am playing my ranger in a way I don’t see anyone else play.
I am a Soldier/Cleric geared Tankiest of the tank ranger. 2.2k power. 2k toughness 1.5k vit. 500 healing 3k power 3k armor 20k hp etc. Greatsword and axe/wh

I love it.

I dont do the most dmg, however with my high power and my pets and smart play I find that I can do A TON of dmg in the time it takes for your glass cannon to take me down.

I dodge = Protection
Natural toughness = reduced dmg
I get hit = Regen
Conditions? =Gone no problem usually.
100 blades you say? = I go invuln..have fun with that.

I don’t need to do 8k + each swing, cause trust me you aint doing 8k to me.
Get me to 25% hp, 33% tougher

In PVP I do well one on one. Am I a god among mortals? Nope somepeople are just good some classes can hit and run and play the attrition game better but I never feel outclassed.

In PVE I surprise many folks, just yesterday my guild wanted to do Honor of the Waves path 3. I never had done it, I was told it was very unfriendly to melee, the gargantuan boss and the werewolf svanir dude would destroy melee.

I told them to give me a chance, i went in and the gargantuan guy? PFFFT 2k hits? Slow slow swings? I stayed melee the whole time not a worry never dropped below 15k.

Svanir wolf guy, took a bit more bob and weave but that is what combat is all about, it aint WoW stand and swing for 30 minutes. I never went lower then 5k and was able to recover.

My guildies were stunned. I was proud I could do it.

I am not saying EVERYONE become ranger tanks, it is not for most people. I have a blast doing it but I think people should think outside the box.

Every fight is not a DPS race of how many thousands of damage we are not doing vs other classes.

Anyway I hope we do get viable buffs across the board but I never feel like a pity case and while everyone is dying 5 or 6 times a boss, I am still swinging away.