Guild Wars 2

Just to open what I expect will be a contraversial Topic.
I mention this as the emphasis of so many comments seems to
relie upon an expectation and understanding that guild wars the game is an
essentually PvP thing.

Lets consider.
the land mass, vegitation animal types dedicated to PvE vs PvP 5 to 1 say.
Armour types avalible PvE loads, drop craft dungeon racial PvP ……
detailed art work PvE shed loads PvP bland
number of events PvE lots and different scales PvP small number and simple
cities 5 in PvE complex many NPC toons with story actions
none PvP 3 or 4 simple castles really out lines , placed in reflections 2/3 toons
seasonal PvE has PvP hasnt

with each of the above and many many more examples
Dungeons jumping puzzles heart tasks cathedral dragon events crafting blah blah blah

you can see that the scale, complexity, detail is much much more in PvE

Anet has spent money and staff time creating this. why both with making
a complex PvE world so much more than PvP if it means nothing ?
not a part of the game

at a wild guess they have dedicated 70 % plus of their budget to PvE and used the elements created for PvE to roll out and populate the PvP aspect.
there is no doubt that PvP game design has many difficult challanges.
the AI for the few toons in WvW will not have been an easy task.
game balance…. oh and a set of armour

but 70% or more on PvE and then ignore it all ( v conservative estimate )

sadly the PvE part is badly Broken and getting worse with each fix.
BUT
to call this a PvP game ( which i admit it may well end up being )
is to have your eyes closed.

If i was a person who funded the game development and found that they had spent the vast majority of my money (their budget) on a redundant beautiful gothic excess called PvE
that had no part in the GAME was useless
(and that at the moment it is driving players ( customers )
away frustrated , annoyed , disappointed and bored
and with them my profits )

I would be upset. Very Upset.

so PvP yes but only in part

you can of course choose to play only that bit.
I hope and pray we all enjoy all the game
or that bit which is good and fun for you.
PvP or PvE or Both.

just the latest Guild daily maessage from my guild of 300 ish members

get your butss to those events. we need Influence
DELICIOUS INFLUENCE MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

his words exactly. his expresion and emphasis not mine. he obviously understands the mechanic.
this guild does not run any events for members.
a small core do there own thing and spend the rep.

oh and the events are the small ones that you do as you trugg along.
NO living world here.

they will access the new guild rushes and other stuff but most members whose butts he is refering will not and are locked out of the content. not that they dont want to do it.

If you like fun
then this game isnt for you.

a small player base oh i so agree.

core 20 members of each guild max
some of the pro type PvP guilds
and the devs (who are really very very pleased with themselves)
and thats it folks

OH as this is a suggestion here are some first and rough thoughts

1) if it is or was Fun leave it alone it aint broke dont fix it
2) remove coersion from your game model. (stick and carrot)
3) Put the Event that is “war” back in the Guild
4) stop trying to make people play like you think they should and
see what is enjoyed in your game and build on the good.
5) sort out access to among other things dungeons.
6) provide a source of information about ongoing or iminant group events,
then toons can travel and join in if they want to. Heralds would be a nice model.
7) the events as they stand are samey and boring , make them attractive in themselves
no bribes please. If taking down a huge Dragon isnt cool enough the massive chest
needed to get me to do it just says YOU FAILED.
8) set up some form of wintersgrasp. sorry it so plegerisum and who wants a WoW clone
but for me and many it worked was fun and i wanted to do it reward or no it made
me smile when i saw it start and i could join in the fun. “Event” to you dev’s.
9) No more currencies, Laurels the latest to make players do your boring stuff.
If it was Fun or part of the world or pathos I would have done it anyway because
i would have wanted too. I like to have FUN and play a Game. Most players do.
How many currencies have you got now anyway………

just an addendum
FUN is thing players do spontaniously in a game because they want to and repeat as it
brought a smile , a memory, a reward, progress awe or pleasure. It was enjoyed and made you want to do it again and may be share the experiance with your freinds. Guess what …
You will never believe it …. come let me show you…. this is sooo cool….
hey when can we do this again I loved it….. must tell my freind to get this game its great … they dont know what they are missing…. we did …… last time i am really looking forward to see what…..
enough said
by the way “I did an event last night” is not the same

second
The War back in the Guild
why not only give Guild XP for guild organised events. if its not guild organised no XP
no XP for random play solo or group by members.
Just Dungeons Fractals WvW major world group events what ever Guilds are supposed to do.
This would mean that if a guild wanted to grow and gain guild advantages then they
would have to, that is have to do events. Guild would go to war or die.
they could no longer reliy on huge role calls of none involved players and farming them for rep but doing nothing. No WAR in sight as they get rep for nothing.
Total none events as they are mostly now.
if the few just selfserved then the guild would grow but very slowly however large the numbers as they would have taken part in no event they would get NO rep.
If on the other hand they oranised WvW run guild fractals then they would be rewarded with lots of rep.
Now you Have GUILDS making things happen wanting things to happen.
and if you sort out the other stuff then making Guilds fun and worth it.
and You have your GUILD WARS.

PS i really hope you sort yourselves out as this has the possibilty of beening a great game.
really cool and fun. there is so obviously great creative talent here.
Good luck.

Thx for the comments

Marnick.4305 its got nothing to do with my boss or his car.
nore is it political.

The Devs would say its GUILD WARS.
but it isnt working, they know it.

Players were playing the game their own way.
Having Fun. Deveolping Toons, kit and exploring

Devs dont like it, so they nerf and force and lock out.
Molding or is it manipulating

whole chunks of the game now are redundant
aka Magic Find, so its not listed. delibratly hidden

Guilds dont work
so they are trying to force players to behave.
to do what the guilds fail at.
and to make sure you do as they say
all benefit is taken away.
YOU will do EVENTS. or get nothing.

Dungeons arnt working either so the recent changes
you can get into any fractal, because no one was.
Story mode is a farce. with so few having done it
and taking months to complete.
not while you leveled your Toon.
as they obviously expected. ( aka the mail shot)

BUT as i said Guilds dont work they serve a tiny number
they dont do dungeon runs or any other event.

So group Events are Failing
Not Guild Wars then

But instead of sorting the guilds out they have
chosen to bully and lie and misrepresent.
manipulating the game so you will conform
You will do events
you will only get nice kit IF you do events

It isnt the game that was reviewed
I find it very sad.

fun has left the building

this game atm has a very nasty spirit within

New and more appropriate name for progarm.

WHY
because that is what it is.
guilds which dont work and are like banks in the real world.
many people put their resources in “REP”. but a small number spend it and have access to big tab and other bits. The “officers” are expected to run / organise events stuff for members but they dont. they run with their freinds who along with them benifit. there is no down side for them. so grab members take their and sit back.

Advice as a player look for a guild that spends on the buffs you like and has some part of their bank open to you with some stuff that may help you. because like the banks they take your money and dont lend but are all over you if you dont put in rep. i have been contacted twice by the guilds i have been in both times about why im not representing. ie collecting for them the rep they want like a good farm animal.

second the DEV’s they farm you for their Vision. its not yours and its not fun.
they want a living story. see latest forum stuff. YOU will do events. Indeed its the only way. all PvE has been nerfed so that they force you to do EVENTS.

30 hours top end magic find gear + food. one yellow. thats it one. OH do a dragon spend 15 mins spamming keys and Lo yellows. I have concidered making a legendary but i will not live long enough, I jest not , this program is so rigged that the resources i could get playing cant be got in a life time. 30 hours = 1 ecto and a gold may be, think of the input for a single GIFT recipe. and LOL. i watched youtube and in sept 2012 the drop rates were SO SO different. 2 yellows and 4 or 5 400 level mats plus an unid and a gold in 30 mins and just to add insult the Trading prices were much lower.

ITS not the same game Folks that was released. and YOU will play like they say or else.
else is die of boredom

It so reminds me of EVE, they had world events, guilds but if you wernt in a large pirate guild you could not play and it died.

Wow wintersgrasp worked because it was easy to know it was on. anyone could just join in. it was a group and you each did your own thing, v little structure. there was no downside to playing or not. WvW is just not like that, and your personally hunted it has a mean and nasty side that wintersgrasp did not. i found wintersgrasp fun.

Dungeons. You know i have kept the mail about each dongeon in mail box but they laugh and dispise me. you just cant get groups . two level 80’s and 2 level 70’s and so far even with regular trys i have done one Story. just one. WOULD just love to do daily fractal, but that is even a poorer joke. spam lions arch ot LFG all you like just occasionaly you will find a group too go.

so to sumerize
Guilds farm you for REP and give next to nothing in return.
they serve the founding members and close freinds only.

Devs want you to play their game do what they want and forget FUN.
they farm you as an number Amy.4536 John.2547 you ar a unit in their ART.
their little economic units, falling into place or big brother WILL PUNISH YOU. you are to be farmed not farm you are to serve not be served
you will give FUN for the few but you will do as your told or else.

DO any of you know what Serve means.
or FUN

Its a Game a Game. bought to have fun and forget BANKS and greedy people and TYRANNY and DESPOTs.
but you seem to be becoming all the above.
the game has no end game a grind too long for a human life to complete
boreing and mean.

so much is good in this game but there is no color in the game play
devs are just a bunch of manipulative mega egos
and none of you seem to know what FUN is or what a GAME is

it feels like we are all being organised into a great big parade and like the red square tableau from the 80’s. to be sent to slaugter for the interests of a few special peolpe who know best. while the country and the people starve and suffer. its all eye candy and it makes you fat and sick , sweet at first but it has no nurishment.

so give us a meal and not a tiny pretty sweet.
stop telling players and manipulating them. make it FUN and ACCESSABLE
and they will do it
try that as a stratergy, i promise it will work

put a game back in GUILD WARS
remove the Farming people and put farming back in
Get rid of DR and make dungeons accessable.
Make it a living world not one that take the life out of the players.

Fractals for most players i expect they are a joke. You need a group. there is the problem. Guilds have some core members who look after themselves and farm the rest for REP. having been a member of 10 or so guilds ive not found one that runs events of any sort. I spec asked for active guilds and always got apositive reply. LOL.
if you LFG fractals in lions arch you will not get a reaply 9 times out of 10. if you LFM 2 for fractals you will be inundated with players. this says a lot i think. these players dont know fractals and arnt usually kitted up 4 it SO the runs almost always fail. BUT they Really really would like to play Fractals. STORY mode is a similar story FRUSTRATION FRUSTRATION ….. guilds dont work as they are basicly a selfish. the game is made 4 large groups and for some this works. but most are left out in the cold. Anet seems to have been trying to socially engineer people with pressure to group up or lose. DR seems to be leading people to the big chests, kill jormag do a fractal clear a cathedarl in ORR, but again the vast majority are out in the cold unless your lucky and see a map shout.
I personally am as you may have noticed v frustrated and am waiting another MMO as the dev team can play with them selves and the few core guild members while the rest of us whome the game ill serves move on. may be if they make guilds dependant on being useful to their members then GW2 might become playable and have some endgame. But at this moment its full of frustration and is broken, I accept for the few it works well you few carry on on your lonely sinking boat.
DR on Chests in fractals what a laugh.

have just wasted 2 hours trying to complete first dungeon in story mode with 4 others only the warrior lasted the rest were dead or down most of the time. we were completly stopped by the twins and after dozens of trys gave up in dispare. i have copleted this run a few times before never easy but do able. not now. will have to change kit to have a hope.
all vit and tough.
will not be doing monthly as with out " balanced , experienced and well kitted group will not be fun just cost loads to repair.
i spent a huge proportion of my time rez ing other characters well that was fun.
welcome back the tank and the healer.

to start i really liked aspect of the game. none competative over resources which encourages helping and supporting other players in difficulty, team work. skills as i have explored i have been helped regularly and worked for short priods as an adhock team particullarly in events.
but i have found it difficult to get into dungeons had to wait for others and ask to join.
so though i have 69% tiria done and 80char with others following most crafting 200 and above cooking 400. i have only done story in ascalon and no explorable in any. have tryed WvW wandered lonly as a cloud collected some ore and got bored. am in a guild 300+ members who said we do + it all+ ???? the only contact i have had is why is that char not representing when i was helping a friend start his own guild and get a bank slot so i reped for the time we grouped up. do you not understand the lessons from WoW and eve both of which i played extensivly. was on eve coucil. but they dont listen. group group group but people are people and young people espessially. camping, weired in game actions as in all these combat games, gear scores, selfish guilds that serve only a very few and farm the good will of the many. I really do hope thatt you dont distroy this game. I do hope that you devs grow up and remain children in awe and excitment but look at any school play ground for most it was a trial with bullies and being picked last why oh why continue that nasty ethos in a game ?