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Did the game start with everything at launch? no it did not, they could be saving them for the same reason they save anything under development, waiting for the most opportune time, expansions, tech, etc
I can accept there being no mounts, this does not stop me from wanting them.
I am not only talking to you but others in this thread that have listed negative experiences from other games dealing with mounts.
Yes I know there are no mounts in this game, but there are cosmetic items that your player appears to ride on, and items that give speed boosts which tells me that Anet could very well add mounts to the game in their own way.
and again, my reasons do not have to be compelling to you in any way, they are not just personal desires as for one, I do not enjoy crafting, but I know many players do and some would craft them even if they didnt use them (completionists)
You are creating made up scenarios…the game already forces you to equip traveling weapons/utils/traits to get to events quickly, but even this is barely felt due to the wp system. So no you would not be forced to do anything.
This is a multiplayer game, you are subject to looking at undesirable characters all the time.
The more creative the community can get with the game, and the more they create outside of the game, the more the game is shown to new players, the more closely knit the community can become, all increasing revenue for ANet
Just saying you dont want to see mounts is just as selfish as banning pink dye from armor because you dont like the color, noone is forcing you to color your armor pink but you want to limit what everyone else can do because you dont like pink armor. You are free to feel this way, but I can guarantee that is not an attitude shared by Anet.
Discussion of how they can be implemented without adversely affecting the game IF they were to be added would be much more constructive, but yes I know, you just dont want them.
We can only present what we want and why and hope they are compelled in our favor.
The want part is evident, it is the why part beyond “They are really super cool” that is missing.
People in this very post have presented evidence, just because you personally dont see it kitten does not mean it hasnt been done.
Apparently many others have missed it as well. I see more than myself replying to your post saying there is no evidence other than a gimmick that happened on Halloween almost two years ago. BTW, the kite isn’t a mount. It isn’t evidence. It is a booster. I have yet to see anyone ride one.
Some people here have expressed disdain for even cosmetic mounts, which are ALREADY in the game—-this is evidence btw
Again, evidence of a gimmick they presented almost two years ago with Halloween. It is a toy for costume brawling. It is not a mount. Next.
The reference to WOW (an MMO) which GW2 also is, was to illustrate the evolving nature of the genre nothing more….your bias is not needed nor helpful
And I was using your comparison of WoW as a means to remind you and others that this is a different game and that it doesn’t matter what other games have done. That such comparisons are worthless and not needed nor helpful.
Can you atleast be genuine? Kites are boosters in the same way mounts in other games are speed boosters, you are playing semantics
Calling something a gimmick does not invalidate it as evidence
GW2 used/uses many conventions of past MMOs and tailored them to their game, it was not made on some island without any outside influence
Maybe you/they should actually read the posts you are replying to then?
I personally have stated Mounts would/could
+provide a time/gold/money sink
+revenue for Anet
+a new crafting experience
+even further character customization
+fun
+allows players the option to travel the map quickly, or more easily if speed is equal to speed boots plus movement skills without having to use the wp system , which can be immersion breaking for some, while at the same time not mandatory.
+adds to the level of creativity the community can express, in video, pictures, machinima
And I find it funny that many of the complaints are due to experience in other games, and how their mounts were implemented and yet all i hear is GW2 is not those games.
You are right, so stop basing your opinion of mounts in this game by those games then…as I feel many of those things can be fixed/done better by Anet
I’m pretty sure I did. From Merriam-Webster “making usually unjustified or excessive claims”. You have no idea if everyone not wanting mounts are airing personal grievances or not. Both unjustified and excessive.
I was , i thought, obviously speaking to the reply in this post, never mentioned speaking for all of anything, as many of the posts fit into my assessment, it is neither unjustified or excessive….
Really? I believe your exact words were:
people are just posting up personal grievances vs personal desires instead of having a real dialog about the best way to do mounts IF/when Anet decided to add them
“People are just posting up personal grievances” is not addressing the poster. In context of your sentence you are implying that people who do not want mounts are offering up their personal gripes about mounts versus people who want them. It isn’t directed at just the OP, it is a universal statement. It most certainly encompasses “all” of a group. So yes, unjustified and excessive.
Well the added Kites for one…broomstick etc. many could make an argument that Anet is testing the waters with these items
Assuming Anet wont add them is fair, but it is just that ….an assumption
As far as them not being in yet as evidence….how long did it take before WOW added flight to their game after launch?
I could probably make and argument to justify testing of almost anything in this game. But as Nerelith and others have adroitly explained, there is no evidence that mounts are coming to the game.
The examples you given, in my opinion, are hardly things I would consider as “testing the waters”. The kites and broom are gimmicky certainly. One even gives a speed boost. But so do boosters and skills. These two things are largely just cosmetic.
Again, Nerelith and many others have pointed out, until there are compelling arguments for mounts cosmetic or otherwise, they have no real reason to add them. Give them actual compelling arguments and even I will listen. “I want”, “I like them”,
“Gimme”, and “I’ll quit if I don’t get one” are not compelling arguments.Yes, it is a fair assumption. I was the one that said it. Along with the fact that there is no evidence and absolutely nothing to indicate that mounts are on the table.
By the way, the comparisons to WoW are old and stale. This isn’t WoW (thank goodness). I don’t want it to be WoW. It will never be WoW. Who cares what WoW did? Who cares about WoW’s implementations and timelines? If I wanted the things in WoW, I would play WoW.
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Yes I was speaking to the replies in this entire post, not for everyone everywhere, and even in the line you quoted it made no distinction between who had a grievance or desire….both of which have been expressed in this thread, again i apologize for confusing language,
and No, none of you have pointed out anything, what you deem compelling is not necessarily what Anet does and until you can confirm what they deem IS that argument is moot. We can only present what we want and why and hope they are compelled in our favor.
People in this very post have presented evidence, just because you personally dont see it kitten does not mean it hasnt been done.
Some people here have expressed disdain for even cosmetic mounts, which are ALREADY in the game—-this is evidence btw
The reference to WOW (an MMO) which GW2 also is, was to illustrate the evolving nature of the genre nothing more….your bias is not needed nor helpful
Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with a customer expressing a desire for an addition to a product they use. The fact that the company has already expressed a willingness to add similar elements to the game (for a price) seems to encourage the requests. There is no reason more appropriate, again in my opinion, for making a request of a service provider than, “this is something that I as a customer am willing to pay for.” Of course any company has the right to say no.
Nothing wrong, in my opinion, with other customers saying that they would not like to see the requested addition made. They don’t need any more reason than, “This is something that would bother me as a paying customer.” Of course any company has the right to say yes to the request despite these protests.
And they also have the right to either say no…. or ignore it.
They seem to be ignoring it.
I completely agree that they have the right to say no. I said as much in the post you quoted.
As to ignoring it, of course such would be their right, are they doing so ?…that remains to be seen. Anet has added mount-like (mechanically) things to the game in the past.
Anything that is not added to the game until next month, or the month after, or the month after that is something that is not in the game right now. That doesn’t mean that it is being ignored now or that it is purposefully being excluded from the game.
Of course One can ay that about anything, but is it likely? I can speculate, and say that Anet is planning and working On having Pokemon type battle pets, and Rideable Tank type mecha-warriors in open word for Open world PvP.
And Just because they haven’t said that they aren’t doesn’t mean they aren’t. Just because it’s not in this month, or next, or the month after that, doesn’t mean it won’t be added.
Like Mounts.
It just seems to me that 2 years after launch, 3 cosmetics only mounts…. How likely is it?
The only reason I pick a bone here is, that while you appear to present both sides, you really are pushing for mounts In a subtle way.
Instead of saying " they can choose to say yes, or no." you subtly finish with with
Of course any company has the right to say yes to the request despite these protests.
Just feels as if you want to focus on the possibility however remote, however unlikely, that Anet would say yes, in-spite of player objections, when Anet has done nothing to encourage these thoughts.
The thing is…it’s not that unlikely, especially considering Anet has not come out and said NO mounts ever.
You are just touting the fact that they have not been added yet as some measure that they will never be added.
In the genre that GW2 is in, and the type of game it is, that is a kittenumption as these games evolve over time. It took WOW how many years to give flight to their playerbase?
and by the way those mecha tank thingies for World pvp are Golems…
and like many have expressed in other games mounts were pretty much required to play the game in a timely fashion/keep up with your peers, in GW2 they would actually be optional (which i like) so only those that would enjoy them would be compelled to get them
Not wanting to SEE mounts is a personal desire/grievance akin to suffering brightly pink norn warriors…this is a multi-player game is it not?
I would like to know how mounts would adversely affect those that are against them
As far as lore, there are already npcs in the game that use animals to transport goods. Apparently GW2 has not progressed fully passed the beasts of burden as some of you claim, and I’ve not seen anyone advocate mounts be solely animal.
You dont know what is compelling to Anet, in fact the more people that voice their want for them, or even indifference, are the only reasons needed,
Anet are game developers, they constantly add and attempt to create a fun and enjoyable experience for their players as well as entice new ones.
Did they not impose Ascended gear? and with the waypoint system that this game has, it makes it PERFECT for mounts , because they would be truly optional at every level of the game.
You don’t know the workflow of Anet or how it would impact other content, could only mean less cosmetic updates for a while who knows? either way which content is more important than another is purely subjective. There are many things now, that people would rather have had that dev time spent towards mounts.
You are asking for us to compel you which is unnecessary.
If mounts would significantly increase the playerbase , barring tech difficulties, i think Anet would be compelled.
There is a fool-proof way to tell what is compelling for Anet. You make a compelling argument. And see if Anet provides mounts.
In 2 years, there have been maybe 3 cosmetics only mounts. That tells me the arguments provided have not been compelling.
And saying " you have no idea what anet might find compelling" is a cop-out.
You need to make a compelling argument for mounts and hope it’s good enough for Anet to put resources Into it, while overcoming player objection to same. Anet needs to be compelled, in spite of the fact that objection to mounts is passionately felt.
hey if yoiur argument is good enough, and Anet decides that we will have mounts, then the shoe is on the other foot, and we need to live with their decision, or find another game to play if we find it THAT odious.
But saying " hey we don’t know what they may find compelling" is not a compelling argument.
Until your side makes them, they will simply see all the arguments made by the anti-mount side, even when we didn’t have to make any other than:
" we agree with Anet’s current and consistent decision to not provide speed boost mounts, and we have reasons for not even wanting comsmetics only mounts."
This " Speed boost mounts with waypoints would make speed boost mounts trully optional." is disingenuous.
ANY type of speed boost will make mounts mandatory, even for those that do not want them, and cannot bare to look at them.
Try again….
Compelling reasons… Compelling enough for Anet.
Unless…. your ownly reasons are…
1. I think they would be cool.
2. I want it.By the way, we have heard these before, so has anet. and … still no mounts.
waits for compelling reasons
PS: We are not asking you to compel US. We are asking you to compel ANET. and no..simply saying " a lot of us want it" is Not compelling Anet.
I Know this because this has been a constant refrain for 2 years, and yet, there are still No speed boost mounts, and Only 3 cosmetics only mounts.
sits back, and waits for compelling reasons so Anet can review them, and ….. more than likely continue their policy of not providing speed boost mounts with approval.
First off, I never said mounts had to have a speed boost.
Secondly, I said YOU dont know what Anet finds compelling and I provided an example with the Ascended weapon /armor that was added to the game against arguably a lot of players wishes. This armor was unnecessary, provided measurable advantages and yet still is NOT mandatory to play the game.
Mounts even with speed boosts would not be mandatory in PVE maps due to the way point system (this is still a matter of implementation and not the mounts themselves)
Would provide another time,money,material sink for Players if they are crafted, and by this adding more revenue to Anet
Adds an extra layer of personalization for the playerbase, something proven to be important through the advent of dying armors and the many cosmetics available.
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You dont know what is compelling to Anet, in fact the more people that voice their want for them, or even indifference, are the only reasons needed,
Anet are game developers, they constantly add and attempt to create a fun and enjoyable experience for their players as well as entice new ones.
Did they not impose Ascended gear? and with the waypoint system that this game has, it makes it PERFECT for mounts , because they would be truly optional at every level of the game.
You don’t know the workflow of Anet or how it would impact other content, could only mean less cosmetic updates for a while who knows? either way which content is more important than another is purely subjective. There are many things now, that people would rather have had that dev time spent towards mounts.
You are asking for us to compel you which is unnecessary.
If mounts would significantly increase the playerbase , barring tech difficulties, i think Anet would be compelled.
There is a fool-proof way to tell what is compelling for Anet. You make a compelling argument. And see if Anet provides mounts.
In 2 years, there have been maybe 3 cosmetics only mounts. That tells me the arguments provided have not been compelling.
And saying " you have no idea what anet might find compelling" is a cop-out.
You need to make a compelling argument for mounts and hope it’s good enough for Anet to put resources Into it, while overcoming player objection to same. Anet needs to be compelled, in spite of the fact that objection to mounts is passionately felt.
hey if yoiur argument is good enough, and Anet decides that we will have mounts, then the shoe is on the other foot, and we need to live with their decision, or find another game to play if we find it THAT odious.
But saying " hey we don’t know what they may find compelling" is not a compelling argument.
Until your side makes them, they will simply see all the arguments made by the anti-mount side, even when we didn’t have to make any other than:
" we agree with Anet’s current and consistent decision to not provide speed boost mounts, and we have reasons for not even wanting comsmetics only mounts."
This " Speed boost mounts with waypoints would make speed boost mounts trully optional." is disingenuous.
ANY type of speed boost will make mounts mandatory, even for those that do not want them, and cannot bare to look at them.
Try again….
Compelling reasons… Compelling enough for Anet.
Unless…. your ownly reasons are…
1. I think they would be cool.
2. I want it.By the way, we have heard these before, so has anet. and … still no mounts.
waits for compelling reasons
PS: We are not asking you to compel US. We are asking you to compel ANET. and no..simply saying " a lot of us want it" is Not compelling Anet.
I Know this because this has been a constant refrain for 2 years, and yet, there are still No speed boost mounts, and Only 3 cosmetics only mounts.
sits back, and waits for compelling reasons so Anet can review them, and ….. more than likely continue their policy of not providing speed boost mounts with approval.
First off, I never said mounts had to have a speed boost.
Secondly, I said YOU dont know what Anet finds compelling and I provided an example with the Ascended weapon /armor that was added to the game against arguably a lot of players wishes. This armor was unnecessary, provided measurable advantages and yet still is NOT mandatory to play the game.
Mounts even with speed boosts would not be mandatory in PVE maps due to the way point system (this is still a matter of implementation and not the mounts themselves)
Would provide another time,money,material sink for Players if they are crafted, and by this adding more revenue to Anet
Adds an extra layer of personalization for the playerbase, something proven to be important through the advent of dying armors and the many cosmetics available.
in other words “I dont want” simply doesnt beat “I want” in a forum, people are just posting up personal grievances vs personal desires instead of having a real dialog about the best way to do mounts IF/when Anet decided to add them
Neither does “I want” beat “I don’t want”. Not wanting something in a game is as pertinent and viable as those things some people want.
Those that don’t want mounts in the game have no reason or motivation to have any kind of dialog about if/or when they may appear in the game because the don’t freakin’ want them. That sort of dialog is counterproductive to what they want which is to not have mounts.
It is also pretty pretentious and rude to claim that those that do not want mounts are airing their personal grievances while those who want them are expressing their personal desires. I have no “grievance” against mounts in games. It is just my personal desire to not want them in GW1 where I feel they have no place.
Pretty sure pretentious doesnt mean what you think it mean, as i clearly stated each side was on the same ground, sorry if my word choice was confusing.
I also clearly stated it was up to Anet, not either side having more clout than the other
Not wanting mounts is just as fine as wanting them, asserting your opinion as fact is the problem, and atleast personally, ive seen more people in favor of mounts be honest at the fact that they are indeed unnecessary and something they would enjoy if added to the game, and not standing behind scenarios of server stability or class travel balance etc…things that Anet would have surely resolved before implementation of mounts anyway
The Only reason we need is that we are perfectly content with Anet’s decision to not provide mounts.
The reason we do not have a dialogue about How best to go about having mounts is, because we do not want mounts under any set of circumstances.
No way, No how. It is our preference.
You say that we have equal clout. But, we do not.
You want Anet to use resources to give you what you want. All we want is the status-quo.
All it takes for us to get what we want is for Anet to just keep doing what it is doing.
For you to get mounts they need to take resources off One thing to put them On mounts, …and then impose it on a game population that is dead set against mounts.
For this to even be a considered,…you need to provide compelling reasons. And considering that in 2 years , we do not have a plethora of mounts…that kinda tells me that Anet has not seen compelling reasons for providing them.
So provide compelling reasons for mounts.
You dont know what is compelling to Anet, in fact the more people that voice their want for them, or even indifference, are the only reasons needed,
Anet are game developers, they constantly add and attempt to create a fun and enjoyable experience for their players as well as entice new ones.
Did they not impose Ascended gear? and with the waypoint system that this game has, it makes it PERFECT for mounts , because they would be truly optional at every level of the game.
You don’t know the workflow of Anet or how it would impact other content, could only mean less cosmetic updates for a while who knows? either way which content is more important than another is purely subjective. There are many things now, that people would rather have had that dev time spent towards mounts.
You are asking for us to compel you which is unnecessary.
If mounts would significantly increase the playerbase , barring tech difficulties, i think Anet would be compelled.
I’m pretty sure I did. From Merriam-Webster “making usually unjustified or excessive claims”. You have no idea if everyone not wanting mounts are airing personal grievances or not. Both unjustified and excessive.
I was , i thought, obviously speaking to the reply in this post, never mentioned speaking for all of anything, as many of the posts fit into my assessment, it is neither unjustified or excessive….
Of course, it is up to Anet whether or not mounts happen. No one said otherwise. However, it has been two years and there hasn’t even been an indication that mounts would EVER be included in the game. I would say it is a great educated and evidenced assumption on anyone thinking persons part that mounts are unlikely to ever happen. What could possibly make anyone believe that they WOULD add mounts? You may know a lot of people who want them but I know a lot of people who don’t. Many who are avidly opposed in fact. Why would they add something that would upset a large portion of the players who don’t want them?
Also, I agree that Anet would do what they had to in order to implement mounts if they were going to, but it changes many mechanics of the game not just travel. Not just in one zone but all.
So, in my opinion, it is completely fair for people to assume Anet doesn’t want mounts. When you have any kind of evidence that mounts are being considered, then make your claims that people have no clue what Anet wants. Until that time, those saying they think Anet doesn’t want mounts clearly have evidence on their side.
Well the added Kites for one…broomstick etc. many could make an argument that Anet is testing the waters with these items
Assuming Anet wont add them is fair, but it is just that ….an assumption
As far as them not being in yet as evidence….how long did it take before WOW added flight to their game after launch?
No thanks. I like being able to port to where I want if I’m the other side of the map. I don’t dance having to “run” across the world to get to where I want to go when an easy way is already being used.
Guess what? if mounts were added, you’d still be able to do this…
in other words “I dont want” simply doesnt beat “I want” in a forum, people are just posting up personal grievances vs personal desires instead of having a real dialog about the best way to do mounts IF/when Anet decided to add them
Neither does “I want” beat “I don’t want”. Not wanting something in a game is as pertinent and viable as those things some people want.
Those that don’t want mounts in the game have no reason or motivation to have any kind of dialog about if/or when they may appear in the game because the don’t freakin’ want them. That sort of dialog is counterproductive to what they want which is to not have mounts.
It is also pretty pretentious and rude to claim that those that do not want mounts are airing their personal grievances while those who want them are expressing their personal desires. I have no “grievance” against mounts in games. It is just my personal desire to not want them in GW1 where I feel they have no place.
Pretty sure pretentious doesnt mean what you think it mean, as i clearly stated each side was on the same ground, sorry if my word choice was confusing.
I also clearly stated it was up to Anet, not either side having more clout than the other
Not wanting mounts is just as fine as wanting them, asserting your opinion as fact is the problem, and atleast personally, ive seen more people in favor of mounts be honest at the fact that they are indeed unnecessary and something they would enjoy if added to the game, and not standing behind scenarios of server stability or class travel balance etc…things that Anet would have surely resolved before implementation of mounts anyway
Eh, I don’t understand how the naysayers can determine what is compelling to Anet or not…it’s one thing to say “I/we want it” is not compelling for yourself but to assume the position of Anet is pretty ridiculous, and as a company making changes and adding things to the game is what they do on a continual basis. So 2 years without mounts is not a precedent for “there will never or /should never be mounts”
How they will be implemented if/when added is the main issue
Your personal disdain for the visual clutter is on the same level as the “selfish” desires of those that want it for cosmetic or travel reasons.
Mounts taking away from “more” important content is also your opinion, as none of you even know if Anet has seperate teams for this kind of development which would make that point moot.
Class balance for speed is only pertinent in pvp, and in-combat mobility which could be a reasonable restriction for mounts.
The only thing the customers need to do is voice their want for something, Anet can determine if it is good for the game, reasonable, implementable etc.
It would be easy to learn from the long list of games that do have mounts, and see what worked and what didnt in order to find a nice grey area that can fit with Guild Wars 2
in other words “I dont want” simply doesnt beat “I want” in a forum, people are just posting up personal grievances vs personal desires instead of having a real dialog about the best way to do mounts IF/when Anet decided to add them
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