Guild Wars 2

Guild bank and buy the extra slots?

^ lol

they know what program the botters use =D. and I’d love to be able to make the cursor stand out more myself, I keep losing it because it blends right in.

Coltz.5617:

Gold sellers use botters to farm and sell/make gold. Hackers get accounts and sell to botters for money yes? So if specially empowered accounts is there, Won’t they be in higher demand for the gold sellers/ botters to know whats up? Im not talking about the minor 1 – 2 bots farming. Im talking about the (seems like ) a bot factory for purpose of gold selling. I’ve seen before a group of 16 bots running as one annihlating and dominating a whole area. Preventing DE’s and heart quests in that whole area.

Yeah I’ve seen huge groups too, it’s definitely getting ridiculous. I’m still failing to get the connection between hackers and botters. When you see the botters in game, the bots do tend to run in groups yes; however, this doesn’t mean that those people even know each other. They are using the same program, it’s going to run the same routes and do the same things, thus, it makes sense that complete strangers would end up forming large groups if they are all botting. This gives the illusion of working together perhaps, but it’s only that; an illusion.

These are just regular people and kids with the money who bought the program and let it run. Now where gold selling is concerned, obviously places that sell gold make use of many different bots gathering the items to sell to get the gold that they sell for money; it is the simplest explanation for how they gather the gold. However making the leap that because these people use so many bots and run a metaphorical crime syndicate they are capable of hacking you is a pretty big step. Ockhams Razor applied, you can’t make that assumption because there is no connecting fact.

Consider this, the gold sellers are making a profit off of the people buying gold. This is a fact, why put forth the effort for no gain? So there is profit being made. Any profit that they make is 100% profit, when people go to pvpbank or whatever else websites there are and buy like.. whatever, maybe 100 gold for 40 bucks or whatever the going rate is, that’s 40 bucks straight to these people with no cuts save for splitting up the profit amongst those involved. My point is, how much is a new copy of GW2? These people can go to the hassle of hacking your account, or they can just take a measly 60 U.S dollars and go buy a new serial code to get around their ban and start right back up again having only lost a drop in the bucket.

Banning botters wont stop gold selling, because they are making money off of the players. Banning the players that are buying gold wont stop them, because those people obviously have money to burn; thus, they too would just go buy another game. The only way to successfully put an end to it would be to do just like the real world.

When a person opens up a store and you don’t want them there, open up your own store and sell cheaper. If arena net starts selling gold cheaper than these guys, they lose profit and they go away. Will that happen? Probably not. Why? Because nobody really cares. People that made this game stop making money the minute you buy it, it’s free to play. Time is money, spending it on a game for the benefit of people you’ve already made the most out of you can expect is bad business. That’s why, more than likely, the team that the company has in charge of the game’s administration is likely exponentially smaller than the team that made it. They aren’t going to waste their money paying the wages of people to watch over this game when they make nothing from the people who play the game beyond that initial in store purchase.

Unless one of those people comes up with a way to detect and disconnect bot programs – it will continue to be a problem. In order to do that they’d need a copy of the program itself and a way to take it apart, and even then there would have to be a difference somewhere between the bots connection and yours to make it stand out. It’s just not going to happen, all we can do is keep reporting them.

But on topic, if people were made administrators it COULD work. But you’d have to choose wisely and closely monitor all of those people. Having already made the point that the team that’d be responsible for that is likely quite small, I don’t think they have the manpower to track the number of admins they’d need to make a dent in the problem.

Summers.1465:

I am sure I am one of many people who’s account’s have been hacked, and lost a tremendous amount of values. I myself lost
78 mystic coins
250 mithril ore
240 mithril ingots
160 orichialchum
50+ steel
50+ iron
2 100% explorable token’s
two plus gold
among many other thing’s stolen.

When I made a ticket about my account being hacked and asked if something could be done, i was told that my stuff could not be returned to me because they do not have a system in place. Then i asked what about in the future, they proceeded to say that even if they have a system in place in the future there is no telling if they can get my stuff back. Then I asked them to keep people in mind in the future when they implement the system so we can get our stuff back.

I also then continued to look at another thread of a person explaining his account got hacked, and merely got told to “move on”, and to forget about what happened. as a person who has spent over 200+ hour’s playing to get their stuff, I can say that is a major insult to your customer. So I feel I am not helping myself get my legendary I am helping some dirt bag with his gold farming, or to gear himself out, and Arena Net see’s no problem with people taking advantage of in this way.

Bro listen. How many mmo’s that are of this quality are free? I mean I get the frustration of any loss naturally, I sent a ticket in last week because I bought 10.00 of gems and exchanged for gold to work on crafting and a glitch on TP cost me like 60 silver. Was I frustrated? Sure. But it is a game. One of your posts talks about you spending your money for it. Yes, you bought it and it’s yours. So being yours you can now choose to play it or let this stop you. Totally your decision, but as frustrating as this situation is, what was required of you to pay to play it is just that initial 60 us dollar fee. Any other money you spent was your choice to spend.

Coltz.5617:

This seems like a bad idea. This means botters can perhaps target the specially empowered players and hack their accounts. They would have intel to proceed in their bottings etc. I don’t think A net would do this and endanger volunteer’s accounts.

Dude your cray. lol. A bot is just a program that does all your work for you. Using one does not mean that you magically have programming ability, and having program ability doesn’t immediately grand you the prowess you need to hack a person’s account. If you have any idea what they’d actually have to be able to do to get your account information, then you know that’s not going to happen.

The person who programmed the bot MIGHT have the know how, but what do they care if a person who bought their program gets banned? They have their money. But the guy using the bot can’t hurt you that way, believe me.

So here’s an idea, I’ve done some serious thinking about the tax in the trading post and why it’s there. Bare in mind that I’m far too lazy to put effort into looking up what it’s for before making this post, an admitted flaw I’m sure. But logically I’ve assumed that the tax is what pays for player rewards for tasks and map completion? I mean that makes sense to me, but with such a tax on so many players I think you have a way to deal with gold selling (like from pvp bank) pretty much at your finger tips; sell it yourself?

With as many players as there are, and the tax on the trading post; wherever that tax goes there must be thousands of gold waiting to go back into the games economy. Just set up your own gold selling system in game and you make a profit as the game makers. I mean you pretty much have one without realizing it, buy gems and do currency exchange. But if you made a system to buy gold direct cheaper it’d help you keep your profits and prevent third parties from mooching you.

Or perhaps that’s what pvpbank is anyway. Just an idea.

I reported the message that I got. I don’t see how they could ever hack you bro. I went to the site to check them out already, they sell all kind of crap for a bunch of mmo games. I’m confused at how legal it is, I mean they are making a profit, no doubt, on this product… On one hand I’m not sure it’s illegal and on the other hand I know they want you to report people selling gold but… then what are they going to do about it? I report botters too, yet I still see those same botters running around queendale in droves with their hundreds of bears in tow.

Also I know that there are people in WOW that sell their characters and equipment for money, so how is that any different than this?