Guild Wars 2

Intro – I’ve played ranger since the first beta week-end and I’m still playing it even in tPvP (even if it’s less useful compared with other professions).

Cons – It has been said a lot of negative things about rangers, and as I’m going deeper in this profession (and as I’m learning deeper others), a lot of other silly things pop out.

Examples:
Thief Signets of Power tier 1 major trait – when activating a signet, gain 5 stacks of might for 5 seconds;
Necromancer Signet Power tier 2 major trait – when activating a signet, gain 3 stacks of might for 10 seconds;
Ranger Beastmaster’s Might tier 2 major trait – when activating a signet, gain 1 stack of might.
(not to mention Ele’s Spell Slinger, War’s Short Temper, etc… but these traits are a little bit different)

Necromancer Signet of Undeath utility (traitable with Signet Mastery) – 180-s cd, cast 2-s, revive permanentely 3 downed allies (imo, this is the most OP ress utility considering cd, cast time, number of ressed allies, permanently or not… check ress utility for guardian and mesmer, for example);
Ranger Search and rescue utility (traitable with Shout Mastery) – the most silly ranger utility: the pet will act exactly as a player, so it isn’t an “istant” ress (and often, if pet has been knocked back, stunned or whatever, it doesn’t continue to ress);
Ranger Spirit of Nature elite (non traitable) – 240-s cd, revive permanentely nearby downed allies (it means that if your spirit doesn’t move thanks to Spirits Unbound, you can’t move it where needed; moreover, the spirit can be killed).

Etc, etc, etc…

I’m mostly disappointed by the spirit build, since even with Vigorous Spirits trait they survive only up to four-non-critted hits or up to two-critted-hits with auto attacks (half attacks are required if they aren’t traited).

Suggestions – since the spirits don’t provide that OP buffs (except, maybe, for Frost Spirit), it would be cool if they were similar to guardian spirit weapons: they would have a shorter duration, but they would be invulnerable, so a buffer ranger would have more sense than now has.

I like Saghani and the choice of Inuit (since I love Inuit culture), but I wouldn’t have chosen Japanese as a reference language for Norn – although mixing two languages is cool.

I have two Norn:

Saskia (simply means saxon woman) Silvermane – Ranger, follower of the Wolf
Mjöll (fresh snow) Hunnveig (young bear cub) – Guardian, follower of the Bear

Blude.6812:

some groups do not want Rangers because some consider the ranger a hinderence rather than a help and all the other classes are more valuable to the group as whole.

They’re just stupid, since when I do dungeons, I have almost always the aggro on me (I lost it only if I die, and it bounces between me and my bf’s thief). So… the ranger is a GOOD dps ^-^ (and I have condi build)

Fractals are the best content in GW2 till now! (and I like the game, in the complex, so…)
I simply love the Blizzard Storm and the Sealed Giant!

The only flaw, maybe, is the lack of waypoints, but we’ve managed to do it 2 times w/o any big problem.

Great job with Fractals, seriously!

You’ve made my day better… Thanks

bwillb.2165:

Rfreak.6591:

because it takes 0.25 to summon 3 clones, survive a moa morph and cast the shatters (which are evoidable by simply strafing into them) and do the flurry which sticks you in place right?

Who said it takes 0.25seconds? He gets one clone up, then gets hit with the insanely OP Moa (which is another mesmer skill, by the way). The moa ends at 0:24, he starts attacking again at 0:26, the playback slows down drastically to show what’s going on, and the target is downed at 0:30. Total time needed (not counting the time he was Moa’d since that would screw up anyone) to cause the burst that kerishan quoted: about 2-3 seconds.

Rfreak.6591:

do you actually want to compare a whole, avoidable, killable, hard to pull, setup to a simple auto-positioning-skill clik?

Oh, do mesmers have a skill that automatically positions them? The first part of your comparison was obviously describing the thief with a specific perfectly timed combo to perform, not the faceroll mesmer, but I don’t know what the second part could be…

and

bwillb.2165:

Rfreak.6591:

@bwillb

Did we ever mention backstab?

We are refering to thieves damage/effort in general, which are already enough to prove what we are discussing

This whole thread was about the looming backstab nerf…
What thief skill can come anywhere near that mesmer burst other than backstab?

Fortunately someone who still uses his brain to analize a reply/vid and doesn’t see only what he wants to see. I admire you.

Btw I agree with Kerishan, ofc.

Edit: Just noticed that.

ilJumperMT.4871:

I play shatter mesmer in tpvp.

Bursting in shatter mesmer is constant and has only 10 second cooldown. Using sigil of energy and dodge rolling to create clones you can spam more mind wrecks.

The video you posted does not even do the maximun damage. You can chain Mirror Images and Decoy to use Cry of Frustration during channel of Blurred Frenzy, after Mindwreck hits.

So… Just stop defending other classes (mesmer in this case) and pointing like crying kids ONLY to thieves.

Lol, you have ALL a lot of toughness and vitality – "Ah, I have Xk tough, and XXk health, I’m ultra strong and ultra tough, I’ve been hit for 20k damge (are you serious? XD), thieves need a nerf, bla bla bla "

I seriously want a screen of your phantasmagorical stats, cause actually I HAVE such a high tough and vitality, and RARELY I die for thieves. And IF they hit me, they do 8k, MAX 12k with BS. So c’mon, less chit-chats, more facts.

Some ppl just here for ego trips. There are not even a handful of people in this thread that actuly want to get the thief balanced. They just dont want to miss their instagibs.

I don’t want miss anything, since I’m not a thief. I’m only objective and I can say that in every MMO everyone complains about rogue classes, because everyone gets nerd-enraged if they are backstabbed in few seconds.

tagnut.8621:

Most of the thief players i know admit they are very overpowered – and its one of the reasons so many have switched to them.

A nerf – a big one – would be most welcome by 90% of the community.

’Cause 90% of community is frustrated and blind and can only point at thieves whereas there are a lot of other things to fix to make the sPvP more balanced.

bwillb.2165:

crewthief.8649:

Malkavian.3751:

> Designs class around high damage, low survivability
> Nerfs skills and damage repeatability
> Class becomes useless. Can role a warrior and do just as much (or more) damage with much higher survivability. Why play a class with mediocre damage AND low survivability?

Thieves do not have low survivability. If you do, you’re doing it wrong.

Thieves do have low survivability. If you can’t kill a thief, you’re doing it wrong.

+1

And, just to remind, C&D + steal + BS combo has 45 seconds CD (34-s if traited at MAX, but in this case it isn’t the BS build). I know that they can BS any time they are in stealth, but it isn’t so immediate as C&D-etc combo since you can continuously move to avoid it.

DesertRose.2031:

Aliatis.7836:

1. Thieves to immobilize need the Elite (Basilisk Venom) or an Utility (Devourer Venom) – otherwise they won’t stun you and you are free like a butterfly.
2. Thieves need Utility (Haste) to be in “quickness” (and they loss their endurance and cant regen it for 4 seconds).

You don’t need Quickness for the Backstab combo.

I know, but I’ve answered at “warriors-need-an-entire-build-to-do-that-damage”, which means utility for quickness.

Ichishi.9613:

Because it was always like that. Good people play the game, bad people cry at rogues on forums. Never been other way in any mmo with official forums.
Edit: ill have to correct myself before anyone rages out at me. I don’t mind and actually am very happy with constructive report about overpowered things as well as broken ones. But seriously for most of complaints here, I can’t take anything seriously when those reports start with things that make me laugh. It makes me a bit uneasy and angry if some of fixes would be based on some of those.

+1

Exactly what I would have said.

Rfreak.6591:

By “an entire build” speaking about warriors, I meant all their utilities for the quickness, stun and immobilize, all a thief needs is stealth and it fits in every situation.

1. Thieves to immobilize need the Elite (Basilisk Venom) or an Utility (Devourer Venom) – otherwise they won’t stun you and you are free like a butterfly.
2. Thieves need Utility (Haste) to be in “quickness” (and they loss their endurance and cant regen it for 4 seconds).

Edit: BTW, I’m not complaining about warriors HB, it’s last of my problems °-°

Rfreak.6591:

Example: I’ve been defending the keep from a couple guys a while ago I had to stun break I’m on CD-oh a thief-bam-bam-downed-invisi-stomp… how could some1 think of this as “fair”?

You’re in CD… It’s normal, don’t feel frustrated for that <_< If you’re not alone, you will be ressed by a friend ^-^

Rfreak.6591:

Just in case you are gonna say: then bring more stun breaks…do you really think one would need this much utility just to counter a single skill spam? no skill should need an entire build in order to be countered if it was balanced.

If you don’t want waste your utilities of traits on stun-breakers, deal with it! You will be a pain in the neck in other situations against other classes.

Rfreak.6591:

Now let’s analyze the damage:
most thieves would say-hey warriors do hella dmg theyz OP, well good news: hundred blades burst dmg is just the last hit/s (the others are usually bearable for most people), which usually hits for a ton ok, but it’s truly your fault for standing there like a duck the whole combo, again this is warriors, they need an entire build in order to do this not just a skill, and they still hafta time it.

Thieves need also an entire build to do 10k damage ^-^ They don’t hit so hard with a survavibility or condi build.

Rfreak.6591:

I have however yet to see a mesmer do THAT damage THAT easily.

Once a mesmer hit me for 6k with Mind Wrack… This is a pretty high damage for such an annoying class (I mean clones and bla bla bla).

Rfreak.6591:

Now… do I HAVE to be a tank in order to survive a thief?

Yes! Or learn when you have to dodge. Otherwise, use the build you prefer to kitten other classes, except thieves.

Edit:

Rfreak.6591:

Now I don’t want to look like an “hey nerf’em” guy. I seriously want to see thieves with MANY different builds, I want to try it myself but just nothing can compare to that, I mean, would you actually use traps? especially when stealth utilities are a must?

I agree with that, but I would like to see MANY different builds on almost every class. I’m tired to see every elementalist with the tanky build….

Naustis.8510:

Aliatis.7836:

Naustis.8510:

Go cry Thief actually are so kittening op… in last wvw thief one combo me when i had about 2k toughntness and 20k hp. It’s normal for u?

ps. after this he just disapear and took down my friend

Yes, it’s normal. Idk which class you play, neither your equip, but I bet if you’ve managed to hit him, you would have kitten him ^-^

BTW, I was talking about sPvP, WvW is another fact (you have to consider equip, lag and so on…)

Yeah kite someone who appear from nowhere and kill u in 1-s.

1-s? XD Even this ranger lasts at least 3 seconds w/o stun-breakers! Are you worse than him? °-° I feel sorry for you…

Ichishi.9613:

a-net hopefully cares more about actual players, not their forum community.
Roll a thief. And show us how op they are. You’ll get a cookie. Yes, in certain situations thieves are easier to play for people who are not capable of anything else. But you will be amazed how thieves are thrown around where it actually matters.
Even before signet rebalancing thief wasn’t much.
Now, before any stupid examples are posted, please follow this pattern for reporting thief’s op-ness:
PvP type – PvP type goal(s) – Purpose(s) of particular thief build considering these goal(s) – how effective is thief at pursuing these goals
If people could understand at very least two first parts of this, they would be ashamed to continue

+1

Naustis.8510:

Go cry Thief actually are so kittening op… in last wvw thief one combo me when i had about 2k toughntness and 20k hp. It’s normal for u?

ps. after this he just disapear and took down my friend

Yes, it’s normal. Idk which class you play, neither your equip, but I bet if you’ve managed to hit him, you would have kitten him ^-^

BTW, I was talking about sPvP, WvW is another fact (you have to consider equip, lag and so on…)

tagnut.8621:

I’m hoping thieves take a massive nerf next patch – its much needed and the community will rejoice.

Introduction: I haven’t read all answers (I bet most of them say the same) and I’m not a thief (in sPvP I play ranger and guardian).

Just stop blaming about thieves, they have been already nerfed enough! In every MMO the stealthy class is supposed to be a glass cannon, and actually they are! (At least who has the glass cannon build).

Instead of pointing at how they are OP, learn to play your own class! I’ve seen a lot of players getting owned by thieves only because they don’t have stun-breakers or ‘cause they don’t evade properly.

More than this, start blaming about light users! Another time, as happened in every MMO I’ve played, light users have become immortals. At the beginning I thought that Elementalists were the most useless profession in sPvP and tournies. Now they are literally immortals and I manage to kill them only if I am with at least another player.

I’ve always HATED magic classes, and I said: “Woah, a game in which mages aren’t so OP”. I was wrong, that’s annoying…

Not to talk about warriors and their autoattack skill with axe (beside HB, eviscerate, etc.) – almost 1k damage in less than 3 seconds while rangers with Rapid Fire take 5 seconds to do the same amount of damage (I’m not counting power-precision-etc).

There’s a lot to talk about for balancing sPvP, but thieves are OK just how they are.

Same here, in sPvP as in Tournament.

Again, my Norn Ranger, finally with cultural skin °v°
Wish I could be a “Daughter of Svanir” XD

My Norn Ranger This is the sketch on DA . . .

(I’m still saving gold to buy the Cultural Armor I’ve drawn XD)