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Actually it’s going to be more among the lines of:
“You guys know how every MMO we have ever played or even heard of refunds skill tree points when they make a major overhaul or sometimes even a small change to a skill within a tree?”
In guild wars 2 you can respec your traits and reorganise your skills for you build freely. So long as you’re out of combat. That’s the same as in other MMOs (but in the other ones I’ve played it’s never free).
In other games you tend to unlock new abilities as you level all the way to level cap, it’s the same with the Hero Points system, you earn points as you level and unlock new abilities with them but in the case of GW2 you can choose which new abilities you get at each level as you level. You don’t get Fireball at level 20 you get it when you decide you want it.
That’s what I’d tell my friends. You unlock abilities and use them as you level, without having access to everything. I think it’s a good way of learning what your profession can do.
You would tell your friends that because you’re not in my situation.
I could say what you say, but I would be lying in respect to my experience.
Right now I don’t get anything when i want it, I’ll eventually be able to but before that I have to play a character I basically did not make.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Request-Refund-Hero-Points-for-non-80-s
I totally agree with you, but the problem is that the majority of the player base just doesn’t seem to give a rat’s kitten about anyone bar themselves. If it doesn’t affect them they won’t speak up for or against it.
Like here I got “deal with it” repetitively. But the thing is that we shouldn’t have to!
The concept is that "Dealing " with it takes maybe a week, or a reset. It’s not a huge loss or a difficult struggle. It’s….Playing the game . _ .;
Yes, it’s playing the game, but not with your character but the devs…
MMORPG 101, never, ever remove the “player” part of the equation, which is what auto spending the Hero Points did.
So… you think that because the company did something that it felt was a respectable approach to a MINOR issue – that you thus far have been the only person that I’ve seen complain about it- that it removed the player agency from the game entirely?
Pretty faulty logic there.
And yes, leveling up -is- an out for it because it takes very little time to level up, with tomes and writs and alts and so on. Your reasons for being upset fall into illogical territory.
“I refuse to level up or play the game for 2-5 more hours to obtain more points, and since I refuse to be logical and do the natural, fastest thing to rectify a MINOR oversight, I demand anet to code in multiple facets to fit my wants.”
And then you used hyper exaggerated things like "If they dropped the drop rate by 1000000% , you’d “Eventually” still get it."
Wheras leveling takes so little time that like most people have said, you can practically and literally hit level 80 without leaving Queensdale.
If you’re level 1-10, the issue doesn’t effect you.
If you’re level 20-30, it’s a minor setback.
If you’re level 40-60, it’s a hassle, but you should have enough Hero points and skills to make a viable, if not optimal play-kit.
if you’re level 70-80, you already HAVE everything, so it doesn’t effect you.
1st of all learn to read, the drop rate comparison wasn’t even advanced by me.
2nd it was my 1st and only character that got screwed, I played since the patch and only just got 6 new lvls with no end in sight for when I can I start customizing my own kitten character, because hey to force this specialization they “really” had to put me deep in HP debt…
No game I have ever played, specially not an MMO, has ever done something like take my character and all but play it for me and asked “keep playing it and eventually you get to customize it”.
So yeah my opinion of the game is not good, certainly not a game I would recommend to my friends and if by the time 29 days since I bought I still can’t play how I want I’ll ask for a refund and make sure no one I know plays this.
Signed, no MMO has ever done something like implement a new skill tree system and then auto customize a character rather then refund those points…
“You guys know how every MMO we have ever played or even heard of refunds skill tree points when they make a major overhaul or sometimes even a small change to a skill within a tree?”
“Yeah well GW2 devs went the other route and spend them for you at seemingly random”
Once again, don’t blame the devs blame gd people who cried about losing their skills. Those people are the reason you are stuck with your temporary problem.
P.S. I have gained 5 lvls since the patch, not one Hero Point earned…
You only gain them on odd levels, and yes if you had more skills unlocked than you would have had in this system so you have a bit of a deficit. Still doesn’t change your problem is a temporary one.
Also still doesn’t change that my problem is being forced to play a character the way the devs want, not how I want…
I don’t care how temporary my problem is, when the only way to get around it is to play something I dislike.
Or delete the character and start again. Or PvP and save up tomes to get to level 80. Or create a new character, start that, save the tomes of knowledge from daily log in rewards and level that character that way.
And if you don’t care how temporary the problem is, that’s fair enough. But it’s not going to be fixed, because it’s not worth the development time. Go out, get some hero challenges, gain a few levels, it’s not like you even have to wait till you’re 80.
I’m just going to save up daily log in tomes, it’s the only solution that doesn’t feel like a chore. I hate PvP and gaining those 5 lvls felt like a kick in the teeth by having to play the game on a “kittened” build.
“You guys know how every MMO we have ever played or even heard of refunds skill tree points when they make a major overhaul or sometimes even a small change to a skill within a tree?”
“Yeah well GW2 devs went the other route and spend them for you at seemingly random”
Once again, don’t blame the devs blame gd people who cried about losing their skills. Those people are the reason you are stuck with your temporary problem.
P.S. I have gained 5 lvls since the patch, not one Hero Point earned…
You only gain them on odd levels, and yes if you had more skills unlocked than you would have had in this system so you have a bit of a deficit. Still doesn’t change your problem is a temporary one.
Also still doesn’t change that my problem is being forced to play a character the way the devs want, not how I want…
I don’t care how temporary my problem is, when the only way to get around it is to play something I dislike.
“Guys don’t play GW2, it’s so broken right now, you have to wait until level cap for your character to have complete control over the build customization.”
“Oh dang OK; so you say you have to hit level cap to have everything unlocked on your character?”
“Yea what was Anet thinking with this one! Sure 99% of your time played will be at level cap, but that 1%, I mean, that’s like the most important, so why even bother playing!”
“Good looking out, dude!”
Actually it’s going to be more among the lines of:
“You guys know how every MMO we have ever played or even heard of refunds skill tree points when they make a major overhaul or sometimes even a small change to a skill within a tree?”
“Yeah well GW2 devs went the other route and spend them for you at seemingly random”
“They say it won’t happen again, but I don’t trust them if they are willing to customize my character for me even once”
P.S. I have gained 5 lvls since the patch, not one Hero Point earned…
Why? Because to max that specialization I don’t even plan to ever use they spent HP I didn’t have, I have no idea at what lvl I’ll be able to start playing my character in the specialization I want or by the skill I want…
The patch spent what little HP I had AND put in HP debt on top of that, great.
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We need this, badly…
I play with a group of irl friends and started playing GW2 to test it out and see how it measures up to ESO/SWTOR/TERA/SW and until the specialization patch I had given them a glowing review.
But now, I have more a “stay clear” comment to give, because at any time your characters may be customized by the dev team without a way to undo this.
MMORPG 101, never, ever remove the “player” part of the equation, which is what auto spending the Hero Points did.
Customizing a character without the player say should never be done and if it is absolutely necessary and out should be made available and no, “leveling up” is not an out not when it means playing a character you did no design.
The dev team needs to add a way to have our Hero points refunded, for everyone, including lvl 80s who might not want to have everything unlocked and would have preferred to convert points into shards rather then spend them in specializations they don’t like.
“Play your way”?
I think you have the wrong game, I mean they went out of their way to pre-spend your hero points after the specialization patch went live.
Those below lvl 80 got their points spent based on profession not even on weapons equipped.
GW2 is obviously “play OUR way”…
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Not quite true. You can use hero points you may have left or are aquiring to unlock the other core specs you wanted and get traits there. However you will run with less traits than you would otherwise because they defaulted you to skirmishing, which of course sucks. Not that traits are really needed for leveling anyways… And the points you get from skillchallenges are basically a bonus as the hero points you receive from leveling up to 80 are enough to buy everything.
That’s the thing, in my case they spent every little Hero Point I had, in a specialization I don’t plan on ever using.
The Hero Point distribution algorithm used in the patch took a resource we previously could do with as we see fit and spent it.
Even the lvls 80s that are less hurt by this still took a hit, since their Hero Points were spent to unlock everything, even skills/specializations they never wanted.
It was a very bad move from the devs, I’ve never played any game were a patch dictates to players how they should CUSTOMIZE their own characters…
They really need to add a reset option on Hero Points spent.
All I want is the ability to spend my hero points the way I wanted, not have them automatically placed in a random specialization.
Add an npc with a one time use or simply refund the points once in a patch or something, I have one character, I just started playing so lvling is long and difficult to me.
And I currently I have a Necro I don’t even want to log into because it’s points where spent in a specialization I don’t plan to ever use and on skills I don’t want…
I don’t want to stop playing this game, but it’s looking that way now.
Why were they not returned so we can spend them however we want?
I find it annoying to log into my lowly lvl 22 Necro and find out that to play with the specialization that fits best my play style starting over would be quicker then keep playing it, because all my points were auto spent on a specialization I don’t plan on ever using…
Is there a reset option or something I missed?
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