I have been leveling my new guardian in AC so I’ve done a lot of runs this weekend and didn’t have any problems getting a group. However I noticed a lot of my 80 teammates going down or dying a lot more than me so level ain’t nothing but a number it seems!
Heh. Remembered 1 thing, thats gone unmentioned in this thread. Aggro. Mob usualy attks players with highest dps and highest armor. What can we get from it? The lowbie…who survive better, cause his dps is crap and he have no armor
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So yep, High level, who practicaly carrying a leecher on his back would die more, then leecher, who pretends, that he is doing smth
This is the perfect example of those who need to be carry by a group of 80s because they found the low level dungeons “too hard”.
You call leechers those players who are playing at lvl content, jeez you are only reinforcing the point of those who call “elitists” unskilled players.
I respect your right to want to do “level appropriate” content. I will fight forever for your right to do so. I will not however help you level….you can level to 80 in less than a day if YOU REALLY wanted to. If you want to “experience the content as it was designed” then I suggest you stop whining about lvl 80’s not wanting to take you. I will in turn level my own character my own way and farm the tokens on my other lvl 80 so he has gear when he hits 80. Please respect that for me as it is MY personal choice and has NOTHING to do with YOU.
I don’t see how this is “against the spirit of the game” where we are encouraged to “play how we want to play”
I also don’t understand how this makes me an elitist……….because I don’t want to help you level? I’m sure there are plenty of other people who will.
How exactly you are helping leveling someone by doing a dungeon? Its a team work, you are helping THE GROUP the moment you attack the first silver in any dungeon.
Everybody does his part, everybody get his lvl loot, so explain me, how you are helping leveling someone? In any case it is like saying a low level is helping you get that shiny exotic or rare for ectos at 80. Jeez
And you know even your 80 is always leveling rigth? Tell me we play the same game?
No we do play the same game, and I do and I get what you are saying. But it feels like you re implying that I MUST DO THIS IT IS THE ONLY WAY………and I’m sorry that I feel differently than you do, but I do. And this is coming from someone who goes out of his way to help people in map chat in whatever zone I am in with whatever anyone needs. I’m the first to run to an obscure SP and help someone get it for no other reason than to help.
So yes I do play the same game you do, I just have nothing but bad experiences with people leveling in dungeons so I PREFER not to do it, and how dare you imply that I am wrong because of it. AND HOW DARE you imply that I would ever ask a lowbie to help me farm ectos, no sir do that just fine on my own thanks
HOW YOU DARE to say you are helping leveling someone when they are helping you get loot and collectibles aswell AND helping you leveling also?
Dungeons are a team work, you contribute or dont do them, simple, no matter the level.
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And a skilled level 80 will always trump a equally skilled level 35, whats your point?
Fact is it is much more likely that a 80 knows what hes doing then a 35.
I really don’t get all this whining about 80s not wanting to group with you when you are on lower level chars, you keep argueing that low levels are just as good, so why not group with people your own level? instead of getting upset that higher levels wont group with you?
And its not the abilities or gear that makes the biggest diffrence 35-80 its the traits.
We are not whining we just say that people who wants a only 80 group dont know how to play and they need to be carry by others, they have the illusion that a group of only 80 will have success, and thats not always the case, a group of skilled players will have success and can do it at the same speed at any level.
The illusion and arguments to want an only lvl 80 group is causing bad attitude between some players and its against the spirit of this game.
Yeah, you are pretty much whining… people who want a 80 only grp, wants as much to the table as they themselves bring, and no they are under the “illusion” that a all 80 group has a higher chance of sucsess not to mention it is likely to go considerably faster. A “illusion” that is spot on i might add.
Whats causes a “bad” attitude between players is people with en entitlement issues, who for some insane reason belive they are entitled to join what ever group they wish to join.
I finished AC with only 40s at the same speed than a lvl 80 group, thats false, an illusion caused by the experience in other games.
And for me I dont group with “only 80s” even with my chars lvl 80, that means the run will be not fun and full of resets and wipes.
Yes, and I sneezed so hard that zhaitan got knocked out of the sky..
As for who you choose to group with, that is entirely up to you, do how ever not judge other people for making the opposite choice, and stop coming up with these bs arguements that have absolutely no basis in reality, It makes you look rather silly tbh.
Oh then probably my 5 characters leveled by only dungeons are not real, the only one that looks silly is you because I have the characters and the runs to prove it.
A guardian can heal and keep alive the party.
No, they can’t. Most bosses can hit for >20% HP per second, so if a player just stands in front of the boss for the entire fight, without using any of his own defensive abilities, he’s going to die. No class in GW2 can out-heal damage from silver mobs on other players, let alone from bosses. In fact, I suspect that even 4 “healers” won’t be able to keep a single player alive in most situations, if that player doesn’t avoid damage and use his own self-heals.
the warrior dps can make the difference just by killing fast
So can any other class specced to have high DPS (grenade engineer, fire + earth elementalist, etc.). But no matter how high your DPS is, boss fights in GW2 take several minutes, and bosses can target and kill other players in seconds. Having high DPS isn’t going to prevent your teammates from taking damage.
the elementalist can even solo some parts of dungeons.
So can other classes. What kind of statement is that?
the necromancer will keep you always without conditions
When I play necro I rarely equip a single condition removal skill, unless I know the next encounter applies a lot of conditions (ex., swamp fractal). Guardians and elementalists are far more likely to have some form of condition removal.
the enginereer can surprise you with hundreds of tricks
That one sounds straight out of a marketing department (“What do engineers do? No idea. Just make up something generic about ‘tricks’, it’ll look good on the press release.”)
the ranger is the best rezzer in the game, put double rez with the pet, use the spirit to instant rez people
And then another player gets downed while both your Nature’s Renewal and Search & Rescue are on cooldown, so you’re just the same as any other class, except you’re squishier and have no shield.
Also, the only way rangers can have stability is to equip Rampage as their elite, so very few rangers will have Spirit of Nature.
Thieves can stealth themselves and the downed player, ensuring they won’t even be targeted while reviving. That makes them the best revivers in most boss encounters.
thieves can also pull a single mob to kill him alone
The number of places where Scorpion Wire still works is extremely reduced. Also, not sure how that counts as “carrying the party”. What you’re describing is just a utility skill, and every class has several of those.
the mesmer can be awesome in expert hands, they can negate almost all dmg on the party if they are well used.
Get the best mesmer in GW2, put him in a PUG, now let’s see him “negate all damage on the party”. Good luck with that.
In a few words: If you say a class is less than other, you need learn to play.
If you say all classes have the same party support abilities, or that any class can consistently keep the rest of the party alive even when they make mistakes, you clearly need to play more. I suspect you’ve never even played half the classes you talk about.
Guardians and elementalists have the most party support abilities (as the posts on this thread demonstrate – if there was any doubt), but even they can’t fix other people’s mistakes again and again. GW2 has no taunts, very low team healing and pretty long cooldowns. Players have to rely on themselves for >80% of their healing and damage avoidance.
And if you’re just talking about soloing content when the rest of the party dies, then any class can do that (even classes with very few support abilities, like rangers). But that depends on the player, and how well he knows the encounter, not on the class itself.
As I said Im working on my 7th 80 (all exotic gear at least), so yes I know what Im talking about.
And yes all your wall of text resumes in: all depends on the player skill. So ANY class can carry a whole group if you know what are you doing