Guild Wars 2

I’m pretty sure ele is faster… but if you manage otherwise I’m happy to admit you’re right. You can try to be faster if you want.

Thiefsignet gives +25% speed btw

If you have permaswiftness it is as fast! And thats why thief is slower than ele, because ele has got perma swiftness.

Then why are you still saying that movementspeed signet could help in being faster?

^ this

Movementspeedbonuses don’t stack in GW2, only the highest counts. And I ran the times with perma swiftness aka perma +33% speed.

Swiftness is a buff. A buff that grants 33% movespeed.

No it doesn’t stack. You get 33% from swiftness. Thats cap. Nothing more.

Ye, but because of that other classes are just faster (ran some tests a hour ago: Mesmer with portal needs ~21 seconds, Elementalist with max speed ~28 seconds, Nekro is definitivly slower).

I want to fight premade teams when I’m doing tournaments with a premade team… fighting pugs is pretty boring and doesn’t help getting better at the game. Also I guess fighting premade groups with a pug can be really frustrating.
Thus I don’t think the current system is good.

Just tried it out, spectral walk has a too short duration (even when specced) to do the treb run… too sad :/

Ran the Thief test… he’s definitivly slower than the ele, at least the way I played him, maybe someone else could manage to be faster, but I don’t think so.

And Reflhex, you can’t get faster than +33%. That means if you won’t get faster than permaswiftness.

So still no one faster than Mesmer… but its only a small difference (7 seconds) in speed.

“Yes they do, the speed signet is only 15% and you can run up to 33%.” Ye, but swiftness already grants you 33% movement speed. So the additional 15% wouldn’t help you much.

Also tweaked some numbers + added time with flash-skill. Also creating a thief atm, lets see how fast I can be^^

Exept, that these 10 seconds result in the treb firing 1-2 times… and these 1-2 trebshots can loose you a node. If you neutralize Mansion but loose another node in exchange it wasn’t really worth it.
At least that is what I experienced in most Kylo tourneys so far.

Edit: Speedsignet + swiftness doesn’t stack. Also you can’t use weaponskills (like the bowport or rtl) when carrying the repair kit, thats why its 14 sec (getting to the repkit) +18 sec (getting back)

Edit#2: Using a teleport utility like shadowstep reduces the time to get back to 14seconds, will alter that and run some extra tests.

Ok, just logged in and ran a few time-tests:

treb-repkit(no swiftness): 21sec
treb-repkit as ele with permaswiftness + rtl: 14sec
repkit-treb (permaswiftness): 18sec
repkit-treb (permaswiftness + flash-skill): 14sec

So… if an Elementalist repairs treb he needs ~ 28 seconds (with rtl and flash). The Mesmer needs 21seconds. Thats 7 seconds difference, so bit less than our estimated time.

So for some more times:

treb-mansion: 11sec
mansion-treb: 9sec
treb-clocktower: 10sec
clocktower-treb: 10sec

So, if I want to help at a sidepoint/clocktower versus a Mesmer:

Mesmer needs 21seconds to repkit, I need 20 seconds to mansion or clocktower + getting back to the treb. That means I could help at a sidepoint/mid for ~1seconds if I want to keep the treb disabled all the time.
If an Elementalist is getting the repkit he needs 28 seconds for both ways. That means I could help at sidepoint/Mid for ~8 seconds. That is not much of course, but it is enough time to neutralize Mansion if it isn’t defended. Or give my mate in clocktower the little edge he needs to win his fight. Just to name some possibility’s.

Do you still think, that isn’t a meaningfull difference?

Edit: adjusted some numbers

If it were only nine seconds you wouldn’t even make it to one of those nodes to help “for a few seconds”.

9 seconds making a big difference when its not even enough time to reach closest node – clocktower? Just no.

I need ~ these 9 seconds to get from clocktower to their treb or from their node (windmill/mansion) to the treb. If these 9 seconds miss I can’t get back in time.

R E F L H E X.8413:

Doesn’t mean this at all. You just think the teams are superior because you haven’t formed a valid strategy for it. You also probably haven’t tried having other really fast classes for your trebuchet and compared them. As I’ve said before I’ve seen the treb mesmer team lose to one that didn’t have one and was a power war team with wars and guardians I believe.

Bad teams in this format have good chances of beating the better teams = competitive? There’s hope required every single match you get into because skill doesn’t separate two teams all that much knowing how to play your class very well means almost nothing.

This format is casual not meant to be competitive, there is a huge gap between the two.

Like wvw this is like trying to take your weekly swim seriously and making it competitive against yourself.

Well, I do think, this format can be competetive. I want it to be competetive. Thats why I don’t want a certain class to be far superior to the other classes for a very important role on a certain map. Because that could lead to a worse team winning versus a better team.
Other than that, how would a worse team be able to win versus a better team? That sounds… contradictory. The better team wins, no?

And when comparing classes: I used to treb for a while (Elementalist) and our Thief did the same. But both of us weren’t as good as our Mesmer. So yes, we have compared the classes and yes we came to the conclusion, that no one is better suited than a Mesmer.

If you don’t sit on a node it will be neutralized pretty fast… you don’t want that, since you need to have it capped in order to win.

And even if it would only be 9seconds, these 9seconds make a huge difference:

If any non-Mesmer gets the repair kit after I destroyed the treb I can roam for a few seconds. I can neutralize their node, I can help clocktower for a few seconds. Stuff like that. And I can be back in time to kill the treb as soon as its repaired.
If a Mesmer does the same thing I usually can’t roam. If I go to help a node but that results in the treb beeing fired… the treb will give the enemy team a better advantage than me helping for a few seconds on a node.
That is the difference. Versus a Mesmer you almost permanently loose one teammate, who is camping the enemy treb.

If Elementalist could weapon swap in combat… he’d be by the strongest class there is… so why not?

Then the other team was overall superior. Of course it’s possible to win versus a “Mesmerteam”. But it’s just harder than versus a team without a Mesmer. It also is easier winning with a Mesmer.
But that means, if the game sooner or later gets more competetive by a rating system/whatever… every team will use a Mesmer, because it’s a disadvantage not to. And that is stupid.

You need about 25~30seconds for one way to the repair kit. So it is more than 5 seconds difference.

And of course you want to bunker points on Kylo… how else would you get points? And that is the reason you don’t want the enemy treb to fire for too long… sure it’s dodgeable, but not for too long without loosing a node.

Edit:

I n order to defeat an opposing team you have to play better than them

Of course thats right. I’ve probably phrased it badly. What I meant was: when 2 teams of equal skill fight the team with Mesmer will win, just because they have a Mesmer.

You have to play very good to have a chance versus a mediocore Mesmer… and of course you have to play very good versus another very good Mesmer as well.
I’d say Mesmer got the advantage in that fight… but it’s not impossible to defeat a Mesmer and Elementalist does better at killing Mesmers than most other classes do.
But well… Mesmer is by design the strongest 1v1 class.

killah.2857:

Though for anyone interested in answering how does gearing work? I get mixed signals on it can you bring PvE gear in spvp? WvW pvp? Are dungeon sets optimal or crafting? Just curious as this isnt really going to affect my decisions.

You can’t bring gear from PvE into sPvP, in sPvP everyone has maxed gear. You can get better/different looking gear by doing sPvP, but that is also only usable in sPvP.

On the other hand PvE gear is worn in WvW and vice versa. That means, for WvW it really helps to be max lvl and max geared.

Optimal gear… you can aquire it by different ways:

- doing dungeons
- crafting
- WvW

The best gear you can get from crafting is as good as the best gear you can get from dungeons etc…

Some very important bugs for PvP were fixed… so I really like the patchnotes.

killah.2857:

Well im in no way afraid of a challenge but if he is indeed right and a mesmer or thief can mash a single button and acheive better results that is going to make them a more competitive pick

Don’t worry, this will never happen

killah.2857:

I’m not here to argue which one is more fun or which one is “easy mode”. I just simply want to bring the sharpest knife to hunt with. I suppose what I am asking is this, is an elementalist a strong pick for a tournament premade? if so, do they bring anything to the table unique that other classes cant bring just as well or better?

Yes he is a strong viable pick and you will even be able to use him in most team-comps.

killah.2857:

I just want to avoid hitting 80, getting into an elite pvp guild and kindly being asked to reroll a mesmer despite my skill.

If thats your concern:

Don’t worry. sPvP in GW2 is completly seperated from PvE. You don’t have to do any PvE to do sPvP, since you get max level, max gear, all skills etc. as soon as you enter sPvP.

So… that would also be my advice: Create all classes you like and teleport into the mists (you have to do the tutorial before you can enter the mists)… then experiment with different classes and skills etc, there are training golems and hostile training NPC’s in the mists for that.

Other than that… atm all classes are viable, if played good enough. Some classes are just better than other classes, when it comes to certain roles… but there are team-setups for every class.

Oh and one last thing:
If you say you want to kite/cc/burst… mesmer may be more your playstyle than d/d ele. Mesmer and Nekromancer are the “typical casters” while Ele plays pretty different. But just try them all out and you will see, whats your favourite class.

Rogacz

Professions other then mesmer can ussually repair just as fast anyway with swiftness.

Nope, they are ~20seconds slower… 20seconds equals 2-3 trebshots and thats a lot! And these 2-3 trebshots make a huge difference, huge enough to make Mesmer far superior over all other classes when using the treb.

R E F L H E X.8413:

“Portal treb repair is a “bring the class” skill.” = The same thing as portal repair is required for battle of kylho.

It isn’t and I’ve seen a team in a tournament lose with a treb repair mesmer vs one that didn’t have one.

Play better.

This is an obvious l2p issue. Of all skills you’d think people would complain about they complain about the nearly useless portal, how often do you see that skill used outside this one map? Chances are not a single time.

Here. You’re saying it yourself. In order to defeat a Mesmer team without a Mesmer you have to play better than them, just because of the huge Mesmer advantage. Also that means, when fighting an equaly good team the team with the Mesmer wins… and that means in order to be competetive you have to bring a Mesmer.

Also portal is strong in all PvP maps… our Mesmer uses it for every map and it works great. But on the other maps is just a very strong class skill, on Kylo it is stronger than everything other classes can do.

Still, 13k with one hit should never be possible to achive.

Even versus a full-glass cannon no skill should be able to deal 14k dmg.

R E F L H E X

If this gets nerfed there will be a new kind of kittening :

Their treb repairer has swiftness (and/or shadowsteps) and ours don’t, remove swiftness!

The teleport saves him 20 seconds maybe, at the most (the portal can only last 60 seconds without being specced to last longer).

Swiftness and portal is a HUGE difference:

Usually you want to roam for a few seconds after you kill the enemy treb… the closest point is either mid or the enemy point.
Versus a non-Mesmer you can run to one of those points and neutralize it/help your ally/etc. As soon as “an enemy got a repairkit” is announced you run back to the treb and continue fighting.
Versus a Mesmer you can’t do that. You have to permanently camp the enemy treb, if he set down a portal. You can’t roam or do anything.

These 20 seconds make a huge difference. Especially since only one class can do it and you are thus forced to take that class.

I’m more sadistic than masochistic and still enjoy the Elementalist!

B2

Using a razer naga (gotta love that mouse!) + Sidewinder X4 Keyboard… the keyboard doesn’t help, but the naga helps a lot.

And as said multiple times: We need bugfixes + some small tweaks (buffing ultis, better downed state), but all in all Ele is balanced.

In my last 4 tourneys I stayed on the enemy treb for the whole time. Once in these 4 tourneys I was able to neutralize enemy Mansion before I had to get back to the treb, the rest of the time I just camped the treb and couldn’t do anything else. Needless to say, in all games the enemy team had a Mesmer on the treb.
Of course we are running the same tactic and also have a Mesmer with portal on our treb… and thats just stupid. You HAVE to have a Mesmer on your treb. If you don’t you have a huge disadvantage over any team that uses a Mesmer.
Mesmer would be as viable as before if portal-repair got disabled… but he wouldn’t be neccesary for every teamcomp anymore!

So… please remove portal repair :/

Amnon

http://xkcd.com/1112/

I’m getting the feeling he might be reading these forums…

That is great! And I guess you’re right… there are lots of people like that running wild in this forum (hi Erebus!)

I’m not saying Staff is useless… but you won’t win any games cause of a Staff Ele. And yes, 1v1 is important as well, since you will have lots of 1v1’s/2v2’s.

If the downed root at least worked decently… if a enemy kills me and I’m at 900 range and instantly start channeling the root… he will still get to me without getting rooted and can finish me without any delay ~.~

Using a Staff is getting carried, cause you can’t achieve anything yourself^^

Erebus, why are you still posting crap?

Dunno about PvE, but in sPvP Engineer is stronger and one of the main reasons is: He has got the way better ult (and the better downed state).

Mesmer has an unfair advantage. He is by far the best class to use the treb. That means, you have to have a Mesmer in your team or you will have a disadvantage, if only the enemy does.
Of course its counterable, but countering a Mesmer using the treb requires more time and efford than countering any other class.

Versus every other class you can go to the enemy point, neutralize it and run back to the treb and kill it again, if the enemy got the repair kit…versus a Mesmer you can’t. Just to give an example of the difference between Mesmer and non-Mesmer.

Because no one should have to take a specific class for sPvP portal-repair should be nerfed.

Every player can create a new Mesmer, copy&paste a good build and be pretty effective using it. You can’t do that as Elementalist.
And sure, a strong profession is easyer to play, because you can afford more mistakes and still be good. But leaving that aside, I still feel like Mesmer is one of the easy classes in this game. The shatter mechanic really isn’t that complex. Hardest class both to learn and to master would be Engineer.

@zhi on AoE’S:

AoE’s are pretty good in teamfights or even 1v1’s when it comes to killing Mesmer phantasms, Nekromancer minions, Thiefs Guild, etc without having to focus on killing them.

I know of at least 5 good builds :O

DiogoSilva

Mesmers. Kit Engineers. They are about as hard to play as the Elementalist, and they’re noticeably stronger. Noticeably stronger.

Mesmer? The class thats way easier to play than any heartseeker Thief? Very bad example. On Engineer I agree. Harder to play than Elementalist but also more rewarding… still theres only a small gap between them that won’t be that hard to balance out.

DiogoSilva

And I can safely say that the effort to play an elementalist is not rewarding enough.

For me it is (sometimes more, sometimes less)

Maybe some players like to play twice as hard as other professions to achieve something? I couldn’t main Warrior, because I would get bored pretty fast. So I play Elementalist.
And I won’t agree, that Elementalist should be better than Warrior, just because he’s harder to play. Some people, like me, like this playstyle. And if you feel like you’ve gotta invest too much efford to achieve stuff… roll an easier class and be happy, that Ele isn’t way stronger than you, just because he’s harder to play.

Radiation Field is Asuran racial ability, so yes they can get it. And Tornado Form is bad :/

/treadfixing post

Well, I’ve played Elementalist since BWE1 as well and do alot of tourneys with him. And win most of them. In my opinion Elementalist is stronger than Ranger. You think the opposite. And thats fine. You play Ranger and think you are in a better position than before and I play Elementalist and think I am strong. Both are happy.

Because I’ve got another opinion than you I am trolling?

The reason is:

You salvage Orbs out of common items and craft common items by using Orbs.
You salvage Crystals out of uncommon items and craft uncommon items by using Crystals.
You salvage Slivers out of rare items and craft rare items by using Slivers.

Naturally you will have way more common items than uncommon items and even less rare items (you will only get 0-2 rare items per box if I remember correctly).
Of course there is RNG and luck involved, because it can happen that you salvage 10 rare items and only get dust and tokens.
But all in all, you will have tons of dupicate common items and far less rare items… thus you will have tons of orbs and not that many slivers.

As I said, I like Elementalist and I am effective. I like the traits, I love my utility skills. I like the whole mechanic of the Elementalist.

If you do better with a Ranger now thats great for you. But don’t say, Elementalist sucks, because he doesn’t.