Guild Wars 2

minbariguy.7504:

And that’s my problem. A character slot is required in order to access the new profession. It should not be considered a “bonus”.

What you mean ‘required’?

Galen Grey.4709:

I quoted dollar price from the official site, $45 is about 37 Euro give or take.

Sadly, you need to take into account different VAT for Europe, on the official site it asks for € 49.90 to me, probably taking into account I’m connecting from italy. Need to see if Steam has a pre-order, even if (Due to Elite and Frontier being part of my adolescence.) I’d love to get both retail versions for Core Game and Horizons.

Also for clairification horizons doesnt exactly come with a new starship for existing players, it comes with the ability to buy that variant. you still need to buy it in game with in game money but at least it gives you the options that other players will not have.

Was pretty sure they stated that the MkIV was to be added to your kitten nal\shipyard\not sure how they called it.

Thats one way to look at it, another way to look at it is in Gw2 in 3 years you paid 105 euro while in case of Elite dangerous in 1 year you paid 88. You also need to compare the size of both offering. Gw2 may have cost 10 euro more at launch but had a lot more content suffice to say Gw2 was in development for 5 years prior to release while Elite dangerous only took 2 years to develop. Different expenses.

That’s true, but if we have to be honest, Braben had stated multiple times he was “working on something Elite-related” way prior to Dangerous. And it took 7-9 years for him, accordly to the sources, for the development of Frontier. So I’d kinda consider these last two years just the time it took the product to take it’s final shape.

HoT may lack living story releases but it will include all the features released since launch. Elite dangerous didnt have anything like the living story it only released feature updates. Actually after writing this i realized Elite dangerous did have something kinda similar after all, which is the community events it did. Building the space station, exploration data etc.. Not really the same scope but close enough. Those are not included in horizons are they? once they’re gone they’re gone. Same issue was with S1, people wanted the opportunity to replay them and anet complied. Is giving what people wanted really that bad?

I thought S1 was gone forever, now you have me a little confused… As far as I understand, the events you’ve listed are live ones, yeah once they’re done they’re gone… But the Elite ones look like social activities that gathered all the players to work together, or at least to try doing so, if that’s what the Living Story was then I’d be alrighty if they’re gone forever. (Maybe like that wind festival they had in the period I played with more frequency.) But in such case, asking money for people to play them it’s wrong in my book. (Personal opinion here, but if ANet has given them for free once, it should be for free forever.)

Also you’re incorrect. you only get the cobra mk4 if you preorder horizons likewise you’ll get a free character slot if you preorder HoT.

Horizons gives you the MkIV with the standard pre-purchase edition, accordly to the website, HoT requires the Deluxe pre-order for it.

As someone who owns both games and both expansions (to be fair I didnt buy horizons, I just have the lifetime expansion pass) I am actually happier with Gw2 and I’ll tell you why. The reason I am happier with Gw2 is Frontier made a huge mistake. Rather then taking time and develop a complete expansion they’re essentially splitting it in pieces. I’d actually be angry if I didnt have the lifetime pass as a lot of players are. Why didnt frontier take another year and actually delivered a complete expansion? I mean, landing only on bodies that have no atmosphere and being unable to get out for a walk? those are big issues. This way of course they get to charge us 38 euro every year though and thats something you’re not considering when comparing the price of both games.

Of this I was unaware, I’m not too angry for it because I’m used to that from the older games. In these you could literally land only to drop the mining pods, and Landing was a freaky scary experience. (Usually took me between the 15-30 minutes to land, but I’ve always been bad at landing in many games…) But that said, I understand your disappointment. Since you own Dangerous too, I’d like to ask you more about it, but I can use PMs for that.

Yes though you can buy season 2 with gems so you can work in game and buy it using in game money just like you’ll need to buy the cobra mk4…. okey it will definitely take longer to buy season 2 but its possible. As for lost experiences, well there is no way to replay Elite dangerous story either. Players who join today will have missed all the community events that happened so far as well as missed all the story-line that happened so far. Horizons doesnt include them either.

The difference is that while Elite Dangerous feels more ‘Story Free’, you know better but I think there isn’t a ‘campaign’ made of quests in there, GW2 is more Story Oriented… As far as I understand, like in the previous games, in Dangerous you’re a nameless grunt who joins many others and try to make it big. There isn’t an epic story to complete and be done for, but you struggle every day to live your life. I missed the previous events, it’s alrighty, because I just reached space and that’s where my story begins.

In GW2 is different, the games stresses a lot about the epic story, playing my past and all… I fought the Dragons, played my backstory, will fight the events in HoT. But missing the Live Story will give me some gaps between the storylines.

It’s hard to explain, but Dangerous feels like I’d be set in a living world, playing my part and all. While GW2 is like I’m reading a story, with the cooperative parts being only meant to further my equipments\grow in power. And that’s why the lack of some story-related events makes me feel holes in the narrative. Not sure if I managed to explain myself properly.

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Kitten-nal?

Seriously?

Galen Grey.4709:

Heylel.2109:

I was slightly curious about the new expansion, wondering if it was to introduce new classes\skills that would have made me interested again, but €45 isn’t the price I’d pay to try it. I’d rather toss that money for Elite: Dangerous, which actually costs less and is a full game, since in my youth I spent much time playing the original Elite and Frontier games.

Just for accuracy’s sake but Elite dangerous really doesnt cost less. Elite dangerous is doing exactly the same thing as Gw2 is with regards of its expansion with the exception they’re charging a little more if you dont have the core game already. Buying the latest expansion will come with the core game if you dont have it and it costs $60. if you have the core game already the expansion costs $50.

you can still buy the core game alone for $45 for now but then again you can also buy the core gw2 game from various outlets like amazon for $20. No matter how you look at it Elite dangerous doesnt cost less then Gw2 it costs a little more actually.

My apologies, especially for the prices in Euro, but on Steam it costs €37 for me (Pretty sure at launch was €50), and Horizons (The first paid expansion.) comes with a €12.50 discount for all existing players. As you said, Horizons will include the core game, but again there will be Loyalty benefits included a new spaceship.

Now, if I had paid for the games on Day one (Which actually I did for GW2), it would’ve been €105 (60 Core Game + 45 HoT) for Guild Wars 2 vs € 88 (50 Core Game + 38 Horizons) on Elite: Dangerous. A whopping €27 difference and (preordering) I get also a new Ship, while ANet won’t even give us a new Character Slot with the standard edition of HoT.

Horizons comes for €5 more, but it comes with ALL the content released so far, while HoT will lack (As you explained in the second part of your post.) all the Living Story content. And again, pre-ordering (So just reserving the copy for no additional price.) will give you bonuses in the space game while nothing in the fantasy one.

Now tell me the company which is making the player feeling better about the purchase.

Now whats living story…. wow thats a hard question. So starting about february 2013 Arenanet started a system they called living story. Basically every 2 weeks Arenanet would release an update that contained a story instance / other goodies where they would move forward the game’s story line. Season 1 ended march 2014 after 26 episodes (not all of them were living story related, some included SAB etc..)
Season 1 was unfortunately temporary, ie if you missed an episode thats it you cant play it again. A lot of people had issues with that. Another issue people had is they found each release to be smallish (each story instance was about 30 mins long give or take, they had achievements you could do that would provide more playtime but still it felt like the pace of the story was kinda slow)

Arenanet addressed these concerns with their Season 2 releases. Now each episode included 4-5 story instances while still keeping the 2 week interval between releases but to make up for the extra load season 2 was split into 2 and there was a break inbetween the first part and the 2nd part.

Season 2 started november 2014 and ended january 2015. Season 2 is also replayable. each episode was given for free to all those who simply logged even for 1 second during the 2 week interval where that episode was running or it can be purchased for 200 gems per episode for those who missed it. There are 8 episodes in all (with 4-5 instances in each)

season 2 story ended exactly at the point where the expansion starts off. Season 2 also picked up where season 1 left off. Essentially season 1 and 2 are the lore behind the expension so to speak, only instead of it being simple background story we got to play it all which is pretty awesome in my opinion.

If you want to know what the story was all about its summerized here:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Living_World_season_1
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Living_World_season_2

I see, so more cash to shell out in case I wanted to play Season 2 and lost esperiences for Season 1.

Thanks for your reply tho, the part about LS was neatly complete and clear.

Chobits.2430:

I certainly cannot think of another game where I spent $50 and got over 5K hours of enjoyment out of it. Skyrim comes in at not even a close second for value with around 400 hours.
I spent an estimated $600 on WoW fees/expansions for 3 years and didn’t even get nearly 5K hours played (3K if I remember correctly).

For me is many Monster Hunter games, Neverwinter Nights (By rough extimation, the game didn’t had a counter for played hours as far as I know.) 1.8k hours on Warframe but played for much less than 2 years.

Not even sure how many hours I got out of GW, probably less than 100, so really I’m not really into purchasing the expansion pack for that price considered the Core game didn’t attracted me that much… Hell, I didn’t even bothered finishing the main campaign…

My point of view, isn’t the one of an enthusiast, I understand that if people had lot of enjoyement with the game then they have all the reasons to feel cool with the Expansion being at that price and the gifted Core Game coming with. It DOES encourage new players to give it a try…

I was slightly curious about the new expansion, wondering if it was to introduce new classes\skills that would have made me interested again, but €45 isn’t the price I’d pay to try it. I’d rather toss that money for Elite: Dangerous, which actually costs less and is a full game, since in my youth I spent much time playing the original Elite and Frontier games.

All the best wishes to ANet to attract more newcomers, but I doubt they’ll be able to bring back the old players who had left…

By the way, what’s Living Story?

I understand the game is free for the new players and the price they ask is the price they’re charging for the expansion alone…

I’ll be honest, giving the new players the core game for free is a nice way to encourage them getting the game. If nothing, it’s better than another company’s policy where you needed to buy all the expansions and the core game PLUS paying the monthly fee.

But as an old player, I don’t feel any reason to come back by this point, as an old player I don’t see why I should get this one, then wait for another expansion and pay for it once again while ‘new players’ will get the Core+HoT+whatever the new expansion will be. GW is interesting, but by this point I’ll just wait for the final expansion, pick that up and experience the whole thing myself…