Guild Wars 2

To be truly honest, I’m pretty alrighty with that. If raids are set in the areas of the map introduced with HoT it’s fitting.

I’m more annoyed that Masteries and Revenant, especially the latter, are HoT locked. Because those are features that accept core concepts of the gameplay.

To be honest, I never understood the word ‘abuse’ or ‘bullying’ when it comes to online games…

I can understand when it’s related to Social Networks, where you share slices of your life with random people who may even be close to you, but here? Which need there is for ANet to get involved when the party leader can simply kick an unpleasant player out of the party and people can block said player?

What can someone, whom most likely doesn’t even knows you in real life, do? How their insults can actually reach you? There’s a very deep wall between you and the other players, a wall that keeps you safe from harassament by mean of a single basic concept: “Not Caring”.

eisberg.2379:

Got to put in some context of what a “whale” is though. A “Whale” doesn’t spend as much as you might think. Over the years of reading various professional articles based on studies and interviews with professionals in the industry, “whales” are anybody who spends more than the average spender does. The average spender spends about $40-$50 a year, so anybody who spends more than $50 a year would be considered as a ’Whale". So yeah, you can be considered as a “whale” when you are actually spending a lot less than a subscription game.

I assume the concept of “Whale” refers average spender in that specific enviroment. Otherwise it wouldn’t make sense at all. Otherwise, yes you can be considered a “whale” even if you spend less than if playing a subscription game, but it doesn’t changes that you’re still paying more than many of the other players.

eisberg.2379:

Another thing that makes no sense. When the game drops in price by $50, nobody complains that a new player can get the game for $50 less than they did, but when the game drops in price by $60, a mere $10 difference, so man people lose their minds over that. They feel “cheated” because of measly $10.

The price of the Core Game didn’t went down by measly $10. It went down from $60 to $0. ANet made pretty clear that they’re selling the expansion pack and gifting the core game with it, they require the older player to play the full price of their expansion to have access to a very minuscule part of the new content, while the new player access to the larger part PLUS the expansion for the same price.

The reasoning “You paid $60 for 3 years of gameplay” is completely irrelevant, the complain over feeling cheated is not much about “We were promised a free game without having to pay for other expansions” (Even if it’s a pretty reasonable one.), but about “They want us to pay too much for too little in comparison to what new players will get.”. Thus the feeling of being “cheated”.

It’s not measly $10, even if personally I think money is never measly it always holds value and even the smaller change should be considered important, it’s much more than that and it has to do with the insult of seeing a letter where they ask us to pre-order the game despite the unfair treatment.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Two possibilities.

• The word “free” triggers a reaction. While the difference between $0 outrage and $10 outrage seems like it ought to be small, the idea that someone else got a freebie and one didn’t could trigger rage.
• It’s not about outrage, it’s about using the point as a strategy to try to wangle a lower price for something they want. Throw blame at the developer, generate some agreement from others, and hope that there will be enough impact to lower the price before release. Not going to happen, but hope springs eternal.

I’d guess the latter is more prevalent than the former, tbh. The value of core for someone who has been around a long time is probably lower than $10 now. I’m certainly not inclined to start a new free account.

I’d like to add a third possibility:

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[*]Older players are literally asked to play for the ‘free’ core game given to the new players.
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Seriously…

If you look at the content we’re getting with HoT, it’s around 1\3 – 1\4 of what Core Game gave us, there’s no way for that to be valued almost as how much the Core Game was originally sold for. HoT is delivering pretty much the same content that Imperial City is delivering on Elder Scroll online, but for double the price. Only reason I can see? ANet is making up the money they ‘lost’ with giving away the free Core Pack to new players by supercharging the expansion price and making use of the larger demographic group of the older players.

I agree it may be seen as a subclass of your second possibility if you really, REALLY, want to be picky. But personally there’s much difference between expressing disappointment about an overpriced product and bargaining for a lower price.

Devata.6589:

Heylel.2109:

To be honest ANet business model in general was kinda cool to me, or at least it was until they came up with HoT. I’ll be honest, I’m perfectly cool with them publishing the game and then making money with microtransations, as long they let me play a completely functional game and leave the microtransations for completely optional things or to speed up my progress.

This as long the ultimate goal is reachable with or without making use of these microtransactions.

If you can get gems to get exclusive appearance, get extra character slots, buy stuff that is available for gold as well (To spare yourself from the pain of farming.), then I’m totally cool with it. It’s not ANet greediness, more trust upon different people giving different value to the same thing and being able to make big money out of this.

Now, what concern me are different things:

The first is how they decided to give for free the Core Game and raise the price of HoT to a full game pricetag, rather than an expansion. Again, I consider this a poor choice, but don’t associate this to greediness. In fact, I believe is the strategy they came up to manage making the income NCSoft required for them to make out of HoT.

To explain myself better:

It’s evident people are no more interested in the game, beside the enthusiasts here on the Forum, if ANet had decided to give a free access to the game there should be a reason and for sure isn’t charity or good heart.

It’s pretty reasonable to assume that, if they had gone for a more traditional $30 for HoT and required purchase of the Core Game, even at $20 no one would have purchased the latter. Again, no reason otherwise to make the game free to access if they were expecting more people to come.

HoT at $50 thus becomes the best choice to go for, it kinda ‘forces’ older player to buy it (Because a lot of people will not want to see the progress of their characters to stop.) and including the Core Game may end up luring some of the free players into getting it.

But that means that ANet is literally relying on existing players to keep the balance positive, having little to no faith about the release of HoT being able to bring new blood to the game.

Sure, some people like cash-shop games, other like B2P games. It just depends on your personal preference.

I like the hunt for cosmetics and as you can understand.. selling those items in a cash-shop destroys or at least hurts that game-play so then I prefer B2P where such items should be in the game and where I pay for the content.

The thing is however that this game was being promoted as B2P, and this was done again in the last press-release. So I think it’s perfectly reasonable to then also ask for that. You will not see me very long in a lot of F2P games. I truly hope that they indeed go back to B2P again with HoT.

Also GW2 does not really need to bring new blood to the game (still would be better if they did).. What would be more important is to get back some of the old they lost, and keep it this time.

I’m someone who thinks that fashion should be available from the very begin or, at worst, locked behind crafting professions. Something that would require a bit of effort, but not being an epic adventure to achieve. And I generally frown at companies looking popular colors like black or white behind a pay wall, ESPECIALLY when it comes to hair. So yeah, personal preferences counts a lot in this.

But on the other hand, I’d rather see a fashion cash-shop, where other players can play to look cooler than me, than a power cash shop where I’m required to purchase items with real money to be reasonably competitive in PvP or PvE.

And eh, I’m one of those lost who had returned to see what HoT was bringing to the game and had decided to not give it a try at all due to ANet policy. From my point of view, it feels more like they had given up on the gone and are trying to lure the new blood into this.

Tobias.8632:

Any steps GW2 takes towards GW1 is for the better, because GW1 is a better game in every way.

So true, so true…

Well, I give GW2 props for letting you play multiple races if nothing.

To be honest ANet business model in general was kinda cool to me, or at least it was until they came up with HoT. I’ll be honest, I’m perfectly cool with them publishing the game and then making money with microtransations, as long they let me play a completely functional game and leave the microtransations for completely optional things or to speed up my progress.

This as long the ultimate goal is reachable with or without making use of these microtransactions.

If you can get gems to get exclusive appearance, get extra character slots, buy stuff that is available for gold as well (To spare yourself from the pain of farming.), then I’m totally cool with it. It’s not ANet greediness, more trust upon different people giving different value to the same thing and being able to make big money out of this.

Now, what concern me are different things:

The first is how they decided to give for free the Core Game and raise the price of HoT to a full game pricetag, rather than an expansion. Again, I consider this a poor choice, but don’t associate this to greediness. In fact, I believe is the strategy they came up to manage making the income NCSoft required for them to make out of HoT.

To explain myself better:

It’s evident people are no more interested in the game, beside the enthusiasts here on the Forum, if ANet had decided to give a free access to the game there should be a reason and for sure isn’t charity or good heart.

It’s pretty reasonable to assume that, if they had gone for a more traditional $30 for HoT and required purchase of the Core Game, even at $20 no one would have purchased the latter. Again, no reason otherwise to make the game free to access if they were expecting more people to come.

HoT at $50 thus becomes the best choice to go for, it kinda ‘forces’ older player to buy it (Because a lot of people will not want to see the progress of their characters to stop.) and including the Core Game may end up luring some of the free players into getting it.

But that means that ANet is literally relying on existing players to keep the balance positive, having little to no faith about the release of HoT being able to bring new blood to the game.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Heylel.2109:

RLD.7439:

As someone who was here from the very beginning I feel a cheated.

A FTP player can join the game for zero dollar investment, but has to purchase HoT to receive that content. Okay, no argument there until we look at how unfair this is to veterans.

Original GW2 was what $60 for standard? HoT is $49 for standard. So basically A FTP player can get everything for $49, yet veterans have to pay a total of roughly $110?

Seems to me veterans should be getting HoT for free. Correct my logic any way you see fit. I’d like to be enlightened.

I agree with you, wholeheartly, but lots of people will bring up the fact you had hours of fun with those $60 and thus you should be more than happy to shell another $50 for the game when others will get full content for much less. There is nothing much to say, Mods and Community managers only shows up to support the ones happily accepting this, NEVER showing a word of understanding for our concerns.

The only solution is to drop the game, spread the word, inform the others that ANet stops caring for you once they get your money in the bag and the only important customers for them are the potential new ones.

You mean like every company ever? That’s how capitalism works? If it’s such a big deal to you, why didn’t you wait? Why did you jump at the chance to have it. Every game ever has worked this way. Would you expect to buy original WoW for $50? Of course not, that’s stupid.

Elite: Dangerous gives older players a whopping €12 discount on the expansion, it contains the Core Game, but if you already owned the game then you get the discount.

Planetary Annhilation Titans is even better: 66% discount if you own the original game.

There are the most recent ones, but it’s not unheard of Companies willing to give their customers a discount if they owned a previous version of their games which got upgraded\give out for free.

Don’t say “like every other company ever” if you’re unaware of these exceptions.

RLD.7439:

As someone who was here from the very beginning I feel a cheated.

A FTP player can join the game for zero dollar investment, but has to purchase HoT to receive that content. Okay, no argument there until we look at how unfair this is to veterans.

Original GW2 was what $60 for standard? HoT is $49 for standard. So basically A FTP player can get everything for $49, yet veterans have to pay a total of roughly $110?

Seems to me veterans should be getting HoT for free. Correct my logic any way you see fit. I’d like to be enlightened.

I agree with you, wholeheartly, but lots of people will bring up the fact you had hours of fun with those $60 and thus you should be more than happy to shell another $50 for the game when others will get full content for much less. There is nothing much to say, Mods and Community managers only shows up to support the ones happily accepting this, NEVER showing a word of understanding for our concerns.

The only solution is to drop the game, spread the word, inform the others that ANet stops caring for you once they get your money in the bag and the only important customers for them are the potential new ones.

@Crimson Clouds: Thank you, kinda annoyed it comes up to gems to get a decent hairstyle, but at least there’s a chance to get it. If I’ll ever re-install I may end up going for it, there are a couple of very nice ones.

What does mean Self Publishing? NCSoft will stop to code for the game?

I like your Winter one, mosly because I feel she’s the one whom better feels the season she represents.

Autumn looks more like Summer to me, while the original Summer and Spring don’t feel seasonal at all.

Edit

Since I uninstalled, can you check for me if Male Sylvari got longer leaves or they’re stuck with that poor selection they had until a year ago or so?

Paulytnz.7619:

I think they had to make the Charr allies with the other races, simply because they were such a threat. They could not let their threat take away just how dangerous of a threat the dragons are. It also adds a great strength to the allied side which makes you think “we may just have a chance”.

Not only that but put it this way, if our world was suddenly attacked by aliens or whatever, something from outside. To the point where we could all be wiped out do you think that all those currently warring with each other would suddenly work together just to be able to survive and have a fighting chance?

Of course they would, unless extreme fanatics which I should imagine would be taken out quickly first by everybody else.

Now that’s not to say that once the big bad threat is gone that the old fighting would not begin again. So who knows, maybe GW3 or 4 may do a complete turn about and have Charr as the enemy again. Perhaps even Sylvari or some other new race.

I’m sorry, but my trust in mankind is so low that I’m pretty sure people would continue to fight between themselves even if Aliens would show up. Probably with some countries\political forces even betraying mankind’s side to get better conditions or even just to crush ther oppositions.

But that’s not even the point of what I said…

My point is that they blamed everything on the Flame Legion, making them responsible for the Cataclysm and misleading the other Charrs into something that was quite legit for them anyway. Then you look at the Sylvari and notice that the Nightmare Court is somewhat similar, they try to corrupt the Pale Tree like the Flame Legion corrupted (And still tries to corrupt.) the Charr Culture with Titans’ influences. Then, similarly again, Norn gets to deal with their Wurm dissidents.

The only race who has an internal opposing faction that feels ‘realistic’ are the Asura, since the Inquest just don’t care about ethics and want to experiment. They’re the only race where conflict is born from a clash of ideologies rather than “we’re good, they’re evil” dualism. Too bad is on the race that visually appeals me the least.

synk.6907:

I was thinking that, as well: that GW1’s map zones were based on a full party, whereas GW2 and most MMOs are based on solo players leveling independently.

And to be honest, that was one of the greatest point of Guild Wars 1, that as a multiplayer game forced you to play with other people. (Granted, Necro + 55hp Monk could go almost everywhere but still other players could form their parties and have fun together.) It allowed people to enjoy multiplayer PvP and PvE based upon their desire, leveling and finding the skills was enjoyable as much as battling other players.

GW2 fails at this…

The only thing that it seems to succeed is that, unlike other MMOs, there is no competition for the farming grounds. But that aside, is insanely easy to solo and it makes you wonder what’s the point of playing it online. The only challenging bits are the ‘puzzles’ or these Run sessions, which made me wonder if this is a MMO or a platform game anyway.

Not to derail too much, but I find this an interesting opinion – in the sense that it does surprise me a little. Prior to Eye of the North, the charr were mostly the villains that blew up Ascalon. Thanks to Pyre and Gwen and the expansion’s content they begun to be fleshed out, and now we have multiple legions, political opinions, and history.

Yeah, but there are two things that make them sound ‘off’ in my eyes.

The first is how humans ended up accepting them after the atrocities they commited in Ascalon, too easily considering they’re a completely different species.

The second part is that they feel literally like every other race in Tyria.

Sylvari, Asura, the Charrs, the Nor(th)n… All are messed up in a civil conflict with an internal faction which dabbles with self destructive powers. Long time has passed since last played, but in the end it wasn’t told that the ones who ravaged Ascalon was the ‘Accursed Legion of Charr Badguy’ which every other Charr despise?

I rolled a Sylvari, then moved to all the other starting zones for the Vistas and the Hearts, everywhere was the same story. Our race is honorable, but there are those outcasts messing with our society, that’s not politics that’s a stereotype.

We don’t see people fighting for their ideals, we see the good guys and the corrupted ones. Hell, in the Sylvari campaign you can't even save that chick that goes blackthorn or how the hell they're called, she becomes a puppet you have to put down.

Considering how much NCSoft has invested and stressed about creating the visual for the new non standard races, these races looks pretty standard-ish. Had they left the Charrs as antagonists, had them used a cold-war type of plot device, maybe the Charr could had managed to retain some depth.

And, to be utterly honest, the way Legions are organized feels more like hives than packs\prides as their looks would suggest.

Good ’ol Charrs, and good ’ol 55HP Monks, how I miss them.

To be fairly honests, I feel they had more personality before than now in GW2, to make them a playable race (And allied with humans on top of that.) kinda turned them bland.

FlailingAmigo.3269:

And it has been worth every penny.

Good for you, free-to-players – but you weren’t there when the Mad King burst out of the fountain in LA.

You didn’t get to play choir bell guitar hero at Wintersday.

You didn’t have a GM watch you glitch on top of the old mystic forge and whisper you to say ‘hey buddy, get down from there’

The thousands of hours I’ve played – I would’ve paid 10 times the £60 or so I was charged on release.

Well played, Anet

To be fairly honest, that can be said ever to recent paying players, even the ones who are going to join pre-purchasing HoT. The paywall wasn’t the only reason that kept some players away from the game, for others it could have been age, or the lack of a decent rig to run the game.

In a way, you seems to put it as ANet isn’t going to make update\live events anymore now that the game is free, if that’s the case the Free-to-Access mode isn’t really a good thing. In a way it makes the F2A model pointless, because Free players won’t be able to have fun with the game without paying, thus discouraging them from even trying.

On the other hand, it’s not that the newcomers won’t be able to make good memories out of the game, even if it’s free. (As long ANet won’t decide to move the social gathering spot away from Lion’s Arch and create a new one that only HoT owners can access.)

CandyHearts.6025:

GW2 always has such beautiful scenery to look at. Sometimes I can’t help it, I forget everything I’m doing and I take some screenies!

Cmon and share some of your best screenies! <3

dotGuildWars2

So wait…

…TERA has boosting panties, but you can fanservice other players just for a day?

Jiggawattz.2697:

Sinope.5630:

Guild Wars 2 is just a product what have had normal product life cycle.

1. Price is placed higher than normal price would be.

• Innovators will buy product no matter what price is placed to the product.
• Innovators want to be first ones, those who are ahead of the time.

2. Price is lowering to that price what has been normal this kind of product.

• Mass consumers buy the product, because they have heard what innovators have talk about it.
• Some of the innovators start to quit use this product.

3. Product have discounted price

• Those users buy this product whom interests arise because they heard mass users talk about it. It is not so important, but they want to be part of that product.
• Innovators start to looking for something new and some mass users start to quit use this product.

4. Product start to be giveaway with some other product, or it is changed to be free to play (if it is a game or program)

• Those players will try it whom get it free. It is not so important to them, but it is nice to try it, because some people are still talking about it, or new version from it is coming to the markets (expansion).

So I only see positive action from ArenaNet that they put Guild Wars 2 free to play. It is nice to have new players to enjoy the game with us.

I have been enjoyed this game couple days over 3 years now and it has been worth all money what I have invested to it.

Guild wars is not just a product, it is a service. We are happy with the product, unhappy with the service. Re-evaluate and fix post.

You can easily replace ‘Product’ with ‘Service’, or even better ‘Software System’, in that post. It wont change the deepest meaning behind it. To, partially, quote Shakespeare: “A Rose, if called by any other name, won’t smell any different.”

chemiclord.3978:

Ya know… it’s kinda funny how players whined that HoT shouldn’t be $50 and that the “core game” wasn’t free…

Looks like Arena.net called our bluff, folks.

The consequences tho, are kinda worse than a saloon shoot-out.

Behellagh.1468:

As soon as you first logged into their servers they have been watching you to judge what players like, dislike and to determine what to look for to spot bots, gold sellers and gold buyers. They know what’s going on on every map instance, CS may not know but the devs certainly do. It’s there game.

If you thought this was new you are horribly ignorant. And this is true with every multiplayer online game.

Yeah, but that’s a passive screening, an active one (As people is led to believe.) would be entirely different matters in terms of game performances.

I have seen quite the number back in the days I played, it was one of the reasons for me to distance from GW2, not the botting themselves but the loneliness of servers populated only by them.

That said, you said it right they will try, but if you really have experience you’d know that Crime Pays Off. Networking isn’t the same as dealing with Social Engineering, Hackers, Security and stuff like this. No offense meant, but it’s a very different field where you don’t just need the know how but also an open mind and being inclined to cheat the system.

We’re talking about bots, but eh, someone else ever pointed out they can just farm it the hard way. Kill stuff, gather money, sell your items. Then upgrade for cheap and sell the gold to someone.

Or people could level up the free accounts and then sell the accounts themselves to players who’d just upgrade them to HoT and get a character with both level and money already set.

Blizzard or even Microsoft couldn’t do a bit about people hacking, in the larger meaning of the term, their systems. You can still buy Gold in WoW or Diablo, a lot of people gets cracked versions of Windows.

Whatever you can say, it’ll be an always present problem AND the change to the Free business model made it easier for people whom wanted to cheat the system.

Mike.3460:

Fox.3469:

Free accounts can also not send items or gold to other accounts…

My god it’s like people are literly braindead, READ THE RESTRICTIONS then comment.

1. Farm 100k Gold on a Free Account.
2. Upgrade on a Weekend and sell it for way more than the code did cost.
3. Repeat.

Oh who could possibly have tought of this.

Not to mention that there’s absolutely no limit to scam of any sort left.

Also, I can make a free account, run a bot for a week and play a fully equipped lvl 80 char as I want… what’s the sales point of GW2 again…?

Face it, there is no way to prepare a Game for what comes with being F2P. You can NOT hold Buy2Play standards in terms of community etc. if you suddenly get rid of the “behave or lose your 50€+ account” – argument.

Even better…

Considered that Free accounts had been invited to go posting in other forums rather than the official one, it would be even harder for ANet to keep in check the transactions that happen behind them. Because, let’s all remember that if people still sell Gold, then it means that there is people who buys it.

briggah.7910:

Heylel.2109:

Bot Farmers.

If you watched the stream they said they have been beefing up their bot detection technology. Now if you believe them or not that is up to you.

I assume you’re not in the IT field, but these technologies improve on both sides at the same time. When they beef up their bot-detection softwares, at the same time the ones who write bot programs can do the same and write code that will bypass the detectors’ improvements.

Now, with a subscription\purchase system, using a bot to actually test these improvements is dangerous an could cost an account. That’s why generally people who goldsell and do that stuff will hack another user’s credentials.

With this Free system it becomes more convenient for the botters to test their products using one of these free accounts, the programmers can check how long their products can cheat the system and act accordly, allowing them to actually ‘field test’ their stuff. (Bots follows patterns and bot dectectors I guess will examine such patterns.) Even if the botters won’t write improvements, they can just let their bot running and then upgrade the accounts that ‘survive’ for $10 and make money out of it.

Also, I don’t think the detectors programs can keep whole servers under surveillance 100% of the time, it would be a massive use of resources and consequent lag.

It’s not about trusting or not trusting them, it’s about knowing how things go in this specific field.

Fox.3469:

Tskales.2804:

The B2P restriction helped shield this game against the common MMO mouthbreather who turns pleasant communities toxic.

Whilst an influx of new players sounds good from a business sense, in the long run it could introduce destructive elements that bring the whole game much sooner than it should be put to rest.

You can’t talk in map chat, you can’t whisper anyone not in the same map then you unless you are mutual friends, and you are restricted to 1 every 30 secs. Basicly the only time you can speak to others freely is in groups for dungeons.

So how exactly will this affect the community?

Bot Farmers.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

I honestly don’t care if it’s free-to-play at this point. Marvel Heroes has done an excellent job with the format. But I do understand the overall concerns about it. Still, this moves screams, “Desperate,” in my opinion.

That may be my own jaded point-of-view. But whenever I see a previously pay-to-play game go free, not counting subscription-based games, it tells the community something about the true amount of players involved.

And let’s not kid ourselves. Over the recent months, Guild Wars 2 has lost a lot of players due to some . . . unwise decisions.

But Marvel Heroes STARTED as F2P. It’s not the business mode that’s wrong itself, even if F2P generally attracts childish beings, but the cause of concern is why they decided to give that chance to new players.

As you said, over the recent months GW2 has lost many players and got a bad image, if I’m not mistaken somewhere they started even a boycot HoT pre-purchases campaign. The game doesn’t requires just love to justify the purchase of the expansion, even if I’d like the game, I’d be thinking twice because purchasing it if server after server is going empty.

Free to Play is a viable way to fill the server with people who’d make them look lively, how much life it’ll actually bring is something only time can tell.

Near.7439:

Heylel.2109:

Near.7439:

Man, this is nuts. I feel so bad for Anet. They made an incredibly boss move here. Not only are they going to get more players out here making the game more full and enjoyable for the Vets but they’re also expertly preempting the trolls, bots, and gold farmers by severely limiting they’re access to the tools they would need (chat and TP for example) to disrupt the game.
To the people complaining, please get over it. The game is 3 years old. Bundling the base game with the expac is common practice. The game itself has been on sale in the past for next to nothing anyways. Were you ripped off then? The free players are only getting a small taste of the actual game and the community that comes with it. They can’t even hang out with everyone in HoT when it arrives unless the shell out the dough. Stop looking at this as some offense to you personally. Anet is trying to build up their community and get make this expac drop an awesome experience full of new players and friends.
I’m simply amazed with their foresight with this and the way they’re handling all the criticism cause I know I’d be boiling if I saw this kind of hate and childishness.

Please keep doing what you’re doing Anet. I will do my part to get these newbies into the game and help be a spokesman for the community.

I don’t really think they’re doing anything against the gold farmers and traders. If you think about it, once HoT will come out then the price of the Core GW2 will lower and a lot. From $10 to even $5. Then they can get a stock of retail boxes to go full farming.

No doubt, you’re right. But this is a separate issue. the price drop is going to happen either way. That’s a consequence of the game being an older mmo. Hopefully Anet will be creative when dealing with it.

Yes, but with the price drop, the gold sellers had still to buy the game. Now they can farm lots of golds, keeping the account one of these Free ones until reaching enough money. Sell it in a weekend (When the staff is generally on vacation.) then just forget about it. It’ll be pretty harder to found out. And even if they’d be farm botting, losing a free account for that wouldn’t waste a Code.

@briggah.7910: Then don’t bother, it’s alrighty anyway.

Near.7439:

Man, this is nuts. I feel so bad for Anet. They made an incredibly boss move here. Not only are they going to get more players out here making the game more full and enjoyable for the Vets but they’re also expertly preempting the trolls, bots, and gold farmers by severely limiting they’re access to the tools they would need (chat and TP for example) to disrupt the game.
To the people complaining, please get over it. The game is 3 years old. Bundling the base game with the expac is common practice. The game itself has been on sale in the past for next to nothing anyways. Were you ripped off then? The free players are only getting a small taste of the actual game and the community that comes with it. They can’t even hang out with everyone in HoT when it arrives unless the shell out the dough. Stop looking at this as some offense to you personally. Anet is trying to build up their community and get make this expac drop an awesome experience full of new players and friends.
I’m simply amazed with their foresight with this and the way they’re handling all the criticism cause I know I’d be boiling if I saw this kind of hate and childishness.

Please keep doing what you’re doing Anet. I will do my part to get these newbies into the game and help be a spokesman for the community.

I don’t really think they’re doing anything against the gold farmers and traders. If you think about it, once HoT will come out then the price of the Core GW2 will lower and a lot. From $10 to even $5. Then they can get a stock of retail boxes to go full farming.

briggah.7910:

Heylel.2109:

briggah.7910:

Heylel.2109:

briggah.7910:

Heylel.2109:

briggah.7910:

Heylel.2109:

briggah.7910:

Heylel.2109:

briggah.7910:

Heylel.2109:

briggah.7910:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

To the quitters, can I have your gold please?

Nobody is quitting.. They are all just full of hot air.

You sure about this, right?

Why would you quit when you can now play for free? bahahaha so many grumpy people in this game

Because, even if for free, I wouldn’t desire to play a game I consider unappealing and\or unfairly expensive for what it has to offer. Even if I can play for free, why I need to spend time in-game if that time wont bring me any enjoyement?

It’s not just me, there are many other people I know that feel the same and we all ended up uninstalling the game to make space on our HDDs. I could even give you more detailed reasons about mine, and others, discontent about the game. But it would be wasted on someone whom sensibilities allow him to disregard others’ opinions by cheesy statements.

The forum may be full of grumpy people in your eyes, in mine it’s better to look grumpy than to look that cheap thing of being whom believes that a cheesy phrase and him believing to be cool would entitle him everyone’s attentions and admiration.

Well since you uninstalled the game already there is no need to keep coming here to the forums to spread your negative out look on things.

As an owner of a paid account, and believing that my feedback could reach other like minded voices so to be heard better by ANet, I think I have every right to come to the forums and express my opinion. As negative as it may be, but I understand than some minds can’t accept life isn’t not just fancy and nice, there are also negative things.

So, since you’re evidently one of such minds, there is no need for you to address me anymore.

So what positive feedback have you supplied since you quit this game? I’d guess ZERO, ZIP, NOTTA.

Also you are not my Dad. You can’t tell me who to address.

First: I have provided no positive feedbacks because, from my point of view, there’s nothing to be positive about. ANet is completely ignoring the Veteran Players to lure more newcomers to purchase the game. Yet to those Veteran Players has been asked to display their love for a game that doesn’t love them back and to purchase the Expansion for an insanely high price considering the content. I can’t be positive about this, I don’t feel I should be positive about this, I’m not the only one feeling like this.

Second: I suppose your father has raised you poorly then, if you are not aware\able to understand that older and more mature people could find your insistence bothersome. If you’re unable to realize when somone says you that there’s nothing more worth to be said between you and the aforementioned someone, then I’m sorry for your parent.

Whoa them fighting words if you ever talk about my parents again.. How mature must you be to call my parents out for some trolling that I’m doing on some forums to some player that claims he quit yet hangs around these forums like this game is his life.. If you quit move the efff on is all I’m saying..

I’m not calling them out, but in the end our personalities and actions are shaped by the ones who raised us, once again I feel sincerely bad for your parents. Wonder if they can see how you’re sunking low now, making assumptions, deciding that ‘giving a not positive feedback’ equates to ‘hang around these forums like this game is his life’.

But again, I understand it’s not totally your fault, so I can’t really be too angry at you.
Age and other factors may be an issue in a convo between people with different grades of maturity.

Just cause you use big words doesn’t make you better than me. Seriously though leave my parents out of this.. Trolling forums has nothing to do with them. I’m trolling you and you keep feeding me more and more..

I don’t feel trolled, again I just see a kid that’s putting to shame his parents.

Again, you have two ways to keep up this. First is you keep trolling me, something you openly admitted, something that should incur into ANet’s sanctions. (And will keep showing up a degree of childish-ness whom should give an hint on how you’ve been raised without care for how you look.)

OR

You can leave at it, ignore my posts if you wish, maybe save that little of face your raising can keep.

Keep mentioning my parents when I asked you to leave them out of this.. So mature of you.. All you doing is throwing lame momma jokes at me but in a nicer way

Sorry, but I feel to rectify this:

I’m not making, and have no intention at all, of making fun of your parents at all. You started involving your parents, saying I’m not your father (Thanks to whatever supernal entity exists in the universe for this, I doubt I could’ve lived with having to raise you properly giving your current attitude.) and I just pointed out that I felt bad for him.

You’ll have to understand that in some cultures family is very important, and it’s normal to assume that a child’s action are indicative of how his parents (Often even his own household as well.) has raised him.

You, also, have admitted you’re trying to troll me and that I’m feeding you. I am merely pointing out that everyone beside me can read this conversation, where you have openly admitted you’re engaging into a behaviour who is considered generally a display of sub-par understanding of the netiquette, if you don’t want me to remind it to you it’s fine by me. But still, for a last time allow me to point out that others can read this thread, others that can belong to such cultures which value family a lot.

And with ever act of trolling toward me you perform, these people will take their conclusions, whatever I say it or not.

Once again, are you sure you want to keep ridiculizing yourself?

Dante.1763:

Heylel.2109:

I’m not calling them out, but in the end our personalities and actions are shaped by the ones who raised us, once again I feel sincerely bad for your parents. Wonder if they can see how you’re sunking low now, making assumptions, deciding that ‘giving a not positive feedback’ equates to ‘hang around these forums like this game is his life’.

But again, I understand it’s not totally your fault, so I can’t really be too angry at you.
Age and other factors may be an issue in a convo between people with different grades of maturity.

You are doing the same thing he is doing. Neither of you know the other persons age. Please just stop.

His posts gives quite the hint tho… And while I’m working on assumptions from his behaviour, he openly admitted he was trolling, so please avoid putting me on his same level.

McViolin.8547:

So can people get refunds for paying for the base game and XPAC, or did Anet entrap us?

Depends on how long since you purchased.

briggah.7910:

Heylel.2109:

briggah.7910:

Heylel.2109:

briggah.7910:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

To the quitters, can I have your gold please?

Nobody is quitting.. They are all just full of hot air.

You sure about this, right?

Why would you quit when you can now play for free? bahahaha so many grumpy people in this game

Because, even if for free, I wouldn’t desire to play a game I consider unappealing and\or unfairly expensive for what it has to offer. Even if I can play for free, why I need to spend time in-game if that time wont bring me any enjoyement?

It’s not just me, there are many other people I know that feel the same and we all ended up uninstalling the game to make space on our HDDs. I could even give you more detailed reasons about mine, and others, discontent about the game. But it would be wasted on someone whom sensibilities allow him to disregard others’ opinions by cheesy statements.

The forum may be full of grumpy people in your eyes, in mine it’s better to look grumpy than to look that cheap thing of being whom believes that a cheesy phrase and him believing to be cool would entitle him everyone’s attentions and admiration.

Well since you uninstalled the game already there is no need to keep coming here to the forums to spread your negative out look on things.

As an owner of a paid account, and believing that my feedback could reach other like minded voices so to be heard better by ANet, I think I have every right to come to the forums and express my opinion. As negative as it may be, but I understand than some minds can’t accept life isn’t not just fancy and nice, there are also negative things.

So, since you’re evidently one of such minds, there is no need for you to address me anymore.

briggah.7910:

Heylel.2109:

briggah.7910:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

To the quitters, can I have your gold please?

Nobody is quitting.. They are all just full of hot air.

You sure about this, right?

Why would you quit when you can now play for free? bahahaha so many grumpy people in this game

Because, even if for free, I wouldn’t desire to play a game I consider unappealing and\or unfairly expensive for what it has to offer. Even if I can play for free, why I need to spend time in-game if that time wont bring me any enjoyement?

It’s not just me, there are many other people I know that feel the same and we all ended up uninstalling the game to make space on our HDDs. I could even give you more detailed reasons about mine, and others, discontent about the game. But it would be wasted on someone whom sensibilities allow him to disregard others’ opinions by cheesy statements.

The forum may be full of grumpy people in your eyes, in mine it’s better to look grumpy than to look that cheap thing of being whom believes that a cheesy phrase and him believing to be cool would entitle him everyone’s attentions and admiration.

BrooksP.4318:

briggah.7910:

Why would you quit when you can now play for free? bahahaha so many grumpy people in this game

It doesn’t matter, quitting holds no meaning in B2P/F2P games. If you stop playing then you can just start again whenever. Its only when it’s a sub based game that quitting actually means something.

Indulge me, but you’re partially wrong.

When a significant part of a server population quits, no matter if it’s Free to Play or Fee to Play, things will become grim for the company. It’s not only the missing income from the fee which can take down a game, there are outside forums, word of mouth, social network. If someone quits it won’t generally do a good advertisment to the game, on the contrary if asked about his opinion he would not advice people to play it, or in this case to upgrade to either Core or HoT.

Especially if it’s a Veteran who had spent many hours, what you’d think new players would say if such a person came to tell them that ANet doesn’t care and that all their hopes are going to be let down in the future?

briggah.7910:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

To the quitters, can I have your gold please?

Nobody is quitting.. They are all just full of hot air.

You sure about this, right?

Aruc.8530:

NeyteriKiyeri.4207:

AuroraW.7149:

The F2P decision sounds okay, but what really bothers me is that they didnt add a max level 20 cap for trials. Without a cap, it will be ridiculous. Never imagined that Anet is going to sell out their fantastic game so cheap …

That was i thinking too. why not free to play till lvl 20 with restictions. and if ppl like the game they can buy it. or keep playing but not getting exp anymore.

This sounds like a perfect solution , but the company is more concerned not to copy the system of another game “Cof wow Cof”, than with the old players of them .

It’s not ‘copying’, multiple software products have a limit on how many days\times you can use their trial versions. Blizzard didn’t invented anything new with that.

Hell, ANet could even put a popup\message window in game reminding you that you’re on trial version, rather than using half of these limitations.

gooeykat.1875:

Well if it makes some of you veterans feel better, I purchased the game recently and now it just went F2P! So if its any consolation, people like me got screwed more. I should have just held out a few more months for HoT.

How much recently and for how much money?

I think there’s a refound policy for the Core Game if you purchased it by retail stores after a certain date.

Danikat.8537:

Heylel.2109:

Aluna Darklady.3165:

PoodleDoodleDoo.3247:

Aluna Darklady.3165:

PoodleDoodleDoo.3247:

Aluna Darklady.3165:

PoodleDoodleDoo.3247:

Aluna Darklady.3165:

PoodleDoodleDoo.3247:

Yes I see that but how is it fair to me? Why should I have to pay more money while new players don’t? Why am I getting punished for buying the core game when it released?

How are you being punished? You played the game for three years. New players won’t be getting everything you got. You can continue to play just as you are, not buy HoT, and still be better off than the F2P players.

It is not the F2P I have a problem with. I think it’s a great idea. My problem is that new players can buy both the core game and HoT for HALF the price of what I paid for my games. How is this fair?

Because they aren’t getting the same game that you paid for. There will be no Living Story and those 40 other updates we had over the last three years. What do they have to pay for with GW2 Core?

The entire story for the core game that I also paid for? The living story was great and all but it was free so it shouldn’t even be brought into the picture. The core game is still a game with a storyline.

Okay, I see what you’re are saying. That part never changes, and a lot of players get bored with that, so that is why they offer the new stuff. I wouldn’t call it “free”, you paid for that, too. We knew there would be content releases when we purchased the game, so that could definitely have been a selling point for many a player. But you see the core game as the game, maybe you are a player who doesn’t participate in a lot of the new stuff. Okay, I get that.

Still, you can’t look at things this way. Do YOU feel that YOU got your money’s worth? If yes, that’s all that matters. Making it free with limited content at a later time doesn’t change the fact that you were satisfied with your purchase.

As I said it is not the F2P I have a problem with. Once again I think it’s a great idea. My problem is that you can buy HoT and get the core game for free, but I who already bought the core game now has to pay for HoT. It wouldn’t be a problem if new players paid for both games instead of just one.

Okay. I’m not gonna lie, I AM a little bothered by it. Mostly b/c it seemed we were promised continuing and changing content, and at release ANet was adamant that there would never be expansions with this game (or so I seem to recall).

But I don’t see how else ANet could handle an expansion. What would be the point in releasing an expansion and giving it to their current customers for free? That’s unreasonable to expect a company not to be able to profit off their work. I don’t feel that it’s “owed” to me. And the only way I can look at it is that the $60 I paid in 2012 was for the last three years of game I have enjoyed. I can keep playing that content without buying HoT. They’re not taking that away from me. But if I want to play the new content, I have to pay $50 just like everyone else. I don’t see how it could be any other way. So, you either buy it or you don’t.

To be honest they could have made the expansion free and use it to promote fresh blood to join the game. HoT retail version could simply have been something to save new players from massive downloads.

They instead choose to give the game to newcomers for Free, which mean they expect a bigger money return from Veterans buying the expansion than from new blood purchasing the Core Game + HoT. Even worse, the game is going Free to Play, which mean that the appeal has even lost more points if they need to offer a trial.

In the end, they’re trying to make cash over the Veterans, despite all the nice words in the ‘letter’.

Considering the restrictions make it seem more like a trial version than a free to play game I think they’re expecting to make money from free players by drawing them in with a free account and then persuading them to buy the game to get rid of the restrictions and access the new content.

With some people it could be effective. I’ve got friends who I think would love this game but who wouldn’t buy it because they’re not sure, now they can find out.

Likewise they’re trying to avoid expansions being seen as a barrier to entry. I’ve never played WoW and if I wanted to start today I’d have to pay the equivalent of approximately 5 games to get the stuff everyone is playing now. I’m not going to do that. If I was that interested I’d have bought it years ago.

That’s the thinking Anet want to avoid.

That’s why you make the expansions free. Or at least, if you want to insert the Core Game in the new expansion, you give a significant discount to the Veterans.

With GW1 the various installments, beside I think Eye of the North, were treated as indipendent games. Or at least, if you owned Factions you didn’t needed Prophecies and vice-versa, I missed Nightfall but I’m pretty sure it was the same. HoT isn’t going to be the same thing, I’m not even sure if the campaign\pve in that will be even that long to justify the price.

Chicho Gosho.6507:

Didn’t we already had the same discussion when HoT pre-purchase was announced about the price? So people are not upset because the game is free now but because someone will pay less today for something they bought 3 years ago.

I think the point is slightly different.

3 years ago, when GW2 came out, it was a great success. At least in Italy and amongst my friends all around the world. Almost all my SWTOR Guild started playing it on Day One, I joined later but stuff happened that prevented me to play at full time, the excitement was real and so it was the advertisment that GW2 got by word of mouth.

These people, and the ones who kept purchasing\playing the game in these years, helped GW2 getting popular and stay alive with their presence and with their money. Now we get a letter where we get said “Thank you for your continued support, we’re sure that since you loved GW2 Core, then you will pay full price for HoT. But, since we want to be nice to people who for now didn’t give a kitten ew players will not have to pay for the Core Game. Even better, they can start playing without even having to wait for the release of HoT. FOR FREE!”

It’s not about the price for Core Game having been the price for 3 years of game, it’s about them giving their all to attract customers while ignoring us on the sidelines.

Aluna Darklady.3165:

PoodleDoodleDoo.3247:

Aluna Darklady.3165:

PoodleDoodleDoo.3247:

Aluna Darklady.3165:

PoodleDoodleDoo.3247:

Aluna Darklady.3165:

PoodleDoodleDoo.3247:

Yes I see that but how is it fair to me? Why should I have to pay more money while new players don’t? Why am I getting punished for buying the core game when it released?

How are you being punished? You played the game for three years. New players won’t be getting everything you got. You can continue to play just as you are, not buy HoT, and still be better off than the F2P players.

It is not the F2P I have a problem with. I think it’s a great idea. My problem is that new players can buy both the core game and HoT for HALF the price of what I paid for my games. How is this fair?

Because they aren’t getting the same game that you paid for. There will be no Living Story and those 40 other updates we had over the last three years. What do they have to pay for with GW2 Core?

The entire story for the core game that I also paid for? The living story was great and all but it was free so it shouldn’t even be brought into the picture. The core game is still a game with a storyline.

Okay, I see what you’re are saying. That part never changes, and a lot of players get bored with that, so that is why they offer the new stuff. I wouldn’t call it “free”, you paid for that, too. We knew there would be content releases when we purchased the game, so that could definitely have been a selling point for many a player. But you see the core game as the game, maybe you are a player who doesn’t participate in a lot of the new stuff. Okay, I get that.

Still, you can’t look at things this way. Do YOU feel that YOU got your money’s worth? If yes, that’s all that matters. Making it free with limited content at a later time doesn’t change the fact that you were satisfied with your purchase.

As I said it is not the F2P I have a problem with. Once again I think it’s a great idea. My problem is that you can buy HoT and get the core game for free, but I who already bought the core game now has to pay for HoT. It wouldn’t be a problem if new players paid for both games instead of just one.

Okay. I’m not gonna lie, I AM a little bothered by it. Mostly b/c it seemed we were promised continuing and changing content, and at release ANet was adamant that there would never be expansions with this game (or so I seem to recall).

But I don’t see how else ANet could handle an expansion. What would be the point in releasing an expansion and giving it to their current customers for free? That’s unreasonable to expect a company not to be able to profit off their work. I don’t feel that it’s “owed” to me. And the only way I can look at it is that the $60 I paid in 2012 was for the last three years of game I have enjoyed. I can keep playing that content without buying HoT. They’re not taking that away from me. But if I want to play the new content, I have to pay $50 just like everyone else. I don’t see how it could be any other way. So, you either buy it or you don’t.

To be honest they could have made the expansion free and use it to promote fresh blood to join the game. HoT retail version could simply have been something to save new players from massive downloads.

They instead choose to give the game to newcomers for Free, which mean they expect a bigger money return from Veterans buying the expansion than from new blood purchasing the Core Game + HoT. Even worse, the game is going Free to Play, which mean that the appeal has even lost more points if they need to offer a trial.

In the end, they’re trying to make cash over the Veterans, despite all the nice words in the ‘letter’.

Kormeg.2469:

Kajan.7410:

-If i had known that i didn’t need to pay for this game down the road i’d never have bothered paying 50 bucks for it and another 50 bucks for its expansion.

-Why the heck did i pay in the first place?

So are you sorry you bought the core game in the 1st place? Do you wish you had never played?

I actually do.

Hylgeriak.8250:

So people complain about feeling ripped off for having to pay for the base game in the past when it’s now entirely free.

Let’s break it down: I earn around 50 Euro per hour. My /age says I spent almost 3.000 hours ingame. I probably spent around 100 Euro in the gem store in the last 3 years. So lets say I invested 150 Euro in this game I really enjoy to play in my free time. So when I go to the cinema with my gf that’s around 20 Euro for the movie and popcorn/drinks. Let’s do the math:

Cinema = fun for 3 hours = 20 Euro = 6,66 Euro/hour fun
GW2 = fun for 3000 hours = 150 Euro = 0,05 Euro/hour fun

I think this is a pretty good deal, eh? So how can I ever feel ripped off for not getting any compensation when consuming a game that costs me 0,05 Euro per hour? You paid 50 Euro for the base game and had so much fun, enjoyment and good time…how can you even devaluate Anets hard work so badly? That’s really shabby guys, don’t you think? I’m sure I will have another thousands of hours fun with HoT and I gladly pay 100 Euro for the Deluxe edition – it’s just worth my fun/hour ratio in comparison to other leisure stuff.

Don’t be unreasonable and enjoy the company of many more Tyrians to come! For Iron Legion ofc!

So playing GW is economically more convenient than having a GF? I’m not sure if this place is the right one to ask her for your money back…

maddoctor.2738:

PoodleDoodleDoo.3247:

Kormeg.2469:

PoodleDoodleDoo.3247:

Aluna Darklady.3165:

PoodleDoodleDoo.3247:

Aluna Darklady.3165:

PoodleDoodleDoo.3247:

Yes I see that but how is it fair to me? Why should I have to pay more money while new players don’t? Why am I getting punished for buying the core game when it released?

How are you being punished? You played the game for three years. New players won’t be getting everything you got. You can continue to play just as you are, not buy HoT, and still be better off than the F2P players.

It is not the F2P I have a problem with. I think it’s a great idea. My problem is that new players can buy both the core game and HoT for HALF the price of what I paid for my games. How is this fair?

Because they aren’t getting the same game that you paid for. There will be no Living Story and those 40 other updates we had over the last three years. What do they have to pay for with GW2 Core?

The entire story for the core game that I also paid for? The living story was great and all but it was free so it shouldn’t even be brought into the picture. The core game is still a game with a storyline.

It’s not free for new players.

Yes I realise that. I can’t see how it justifies the problem that new players who buy HoT gets the entire core game for free while I have to pay for both because I’m a veteran player

Then stop paying and playing, wait for expansion 5 to be released, get everything up to that point for free, pay only for expansion 5 and enjoy. If you can’t wait, pay now to access it, it’s that simple.

They announced already 5 will be the final one?

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Something that concerns me…

What’s the meaning of “Starter maps only until character reaches level 10”?

Will a F2P player become unable to return to the starter maps once reaching level 10? (Slightly annoying will require some pianification to get the Vistas and Heart thingies.)

Or just you’ll need to grind your way up to 10 before being able to leave the Starter Maps?

gooeykat.1875:

BolkovonHarnfeldt.1372:

I think one of the problems is that they – at least subjectively – continue to devalue the core game for players who do not want to buy the expansion (yet).
I’m not saying that devaluation is real but I can certainly see why people would perceive it as such.
Basically: if you don’t own HoT you are kind of 2nd class from now on (no new content, class development probably geard towards elite specializations etc.)

Come again, no new content for the core game?

HoT is the new content for the Core Game.

xarallei.4279:

Heylel.2109:

I think the saddest part is the lack of Forum Posting Access…

Yeah, there are many other places where they can ask things, but seriously these are the official forums, these are the places where players should ask their inquiries.

I really don’t want them to have forum access except for the bugs and the tech support forums. If you’ve seen the forums of f2p games you would know why. We don’t need more trolls.

Yeah, I’ve been in the world of both Sub-to-Play and Free-to-Play forums, in some cases (Aion and SWTOR) I’ve also seen the transition from the first to the latter. And honestly I’d say that Trolls will still be trolls, to the point that the very worst of them would just buy the core game on Amazon\ebay\some shop for uber cheap (Once HoT will come out.) just to troll.

Chicho Gosho.6507:

PoodleDoodleDoo.3247:

I dont have a problem with f2p, I think it’s a fantastic idea. I don’t have a problem the base game not getting any future updates because the base game is basically finished. Ofcourse I also bought HoT.

As a veteran gw2 player I have had to pay for two games. The base game and HoT. That is perfectly fine. What I don’t understand is that new players only have to pay for one game while I have to pay for two games. This makes me feel like I have wasted my money because I did not wait until all the expansions came out so I could save a bunch of money. I think it is really unfair to the playes who purchased the game when it came out.

The saying “Time is money”is relevant here. You’ve payed for 3 years of GW2. Not gonna talk about HoT because its the same for you and the new player- they have to buy it to get its benefits.

It’s not really that relevant.

We paid for the rights to play GW2 three years sooner, yeah, but we also had to deal with bugs\fixes\balancing. The current GW2 is a more refined product that is being given out for free to people using the F2P mode AND people who are getting HotU.

I think the saddest part is the lack of Forum Posting Access…

Yeah, there are many other places where they can ask things, but seriously these are the official forums, these are the places where players should ask their inquiries.

minbariguy.7504:

Heylel.2109:

On a side note I feel ANet policy being completely disagreeable, no real benefits (Sorry but one slot isn’t really worth much to me.) for the Veterans compared to how Newcomers will get the Core Game for free is a really unpleasant choice to make, something that made me decide to steer clear from HoT. But all I can, and will do, is just providing this feedback and hoping that for future releases they’ll do better.

I do not want Free slots or discounts, saying “They will have not my money as long they dont…” is a mixture of begging and blackmailing that feels really unpleasant when it comes to playing videogames, I just hope that in the future ANet will make choices more considerate toward the ones who had choose to support them from the start.

Not sure I understand your point, as you seem to be contradicting yourself.

On the one hand, you seem to be saying that if someone says they will not support ANet financially as long as they engage in certain behaviors, that’s begging, blackmail, and entitlement.

Then you proceed to tell us how you refuse to purchase HoT because of certain behaviors being demonstrated by ANet.

What, exactly, is the difference? In both cases, one is providing feedback and withholding financial support. Have I misunderstood what you are saying?

Probably I expressed myself bad, was posting in a hurry…

But the difference, to answer your question, is how one pose himself\herself toward the problem…

I’m not asking ANet to change its policy, I’m providing a feedback about how I believe their offer didn’t reached my expectations, if others will join me saying this then there’s hope that ANet may reconsider their policies in the future. Sadly, since the mod merged the thread, voices like mine gets harder to be noticed.

As a customer, I think that the best way to express my disappointment into a product is to not purchase it, this is the most clear signal you can send to the industry. But it becomes a threat when people goes like “give us the extra slot or you’ll lose a client”. Because it would set a precedent and, in the very worst case, would open a path to very bad scenarios.

As of now I’m not going to pre-purchase HoT, will not purchase it after launch and most likely won’t have thoughts about purchase until next expansion. The game failed to appeal me to the point that I want invest more on it, if I will be still able to play without purchasing it, then I’m considering loggin in every now and then. Otherwise peace, I’ll wait for the next big upgrade and time will tell.

For sure my support to GW2 isn’t tied to just getting an extra character slot or now.

lukejoe.1592:

Heylel.2109:

To be more precise, the part where he says that including the new Class doesn’t makes mandatory for ANet to give us a free slot. The Core Game comes with 8 Professions and 5 Races, for a grand total of 40 possible combinations. We’re given 5 slots, so yeah, it has already made clear that people needs to make choices. If people has already filled these slots, it’s because they so choose to do, they’re not entitled to it.

Well they aren’t getting my money without giving me a character slot, so what backwards way do you define “entitled.” I’m absolutely entitled.

Definition of Entitled

also From Oxford Dictionaries

Not sure what you mean with ‘backwards’ but, while you definetely fit the Oxford one, I was referring to the #2 Definition in the Merriam-Webster. Sure you’re free to not purchase the expansion pack if ANet is not going to give you a free slot, really I’m not purchasing it either way, free slot or not. But, accordly to the selling conditions that ANet has posed us, pre-purchasing the package will ‘entitle’ you to have one as long you have purchased the core game before the 16th of June.

Any other way does NOT entitles you to receive a free slot, because the conditions sets by ANet don’t involve it. As long you don’t want to use the Oxford definition where it’s all about you believing to deserve it. In such case, yeah nothing anyone else can say since that’s your belief.

On a side note I feel ANet policy being completely disagreeable, no real benefits (Sorry but one slot isn’t really worth much to me.) for the Veterans compared to how Newcomers will get the Core Game for free is a really unpleasant choice to make, something that made me decide to steer clear from HoT. But all I can, and will do, is just providing this feedback and hoping that for future releases they’ll do better.

I do not want Free slots or discounts, saying “They will have not my money as long they dont…” is a mixture of begging and blackmailing that feels really unpleasant when it comes to playing videogames, I just hope that in the future ANet will make choices more considerate toward the ones who had choose to support them from the start.

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@MirrorOfNature:

Is SWTOR still living? I thought it epically died when people got sick of the devs blatantly ignoring any feedback and entering the FreeToPay mode.

To be honest, I agree with Galen when it comes to characters slots.

To be more precise, the part where he says that including the new Class doesn’t makes mandatory for ANet to give us a free slot. The Core Game comes with 8 Professions and 5 Races, for a grand total of 40 possible combinations. We’re given 5 slots, so yeah, it has already made clear that people needs to make choices. If people has already filled these slots, it’s because they so choose to do, they’re not entitled to it.

ANet is giving us a free slot, I’d grant them that’s a nice thing to do, but really they aren’t really forced.

Personally I still think they have failed at interesting me into returning to the game, I have either 3 or 4 free Slots (Depends if I deleted my human Ranger or forgot to do so.), so the extra Slot doesn’t hold any interest to me. The price for the expansion is too big for a game that didn’t managed to hold my interest for a period that was shorter than a month, but for sure I’m not going to ask ANet for more than what they’re willing to give feeling entitled to it.

minbariguy.7504:

You cannot create a revenant without an available character slot. If you do not have one available, ANet is expecting you to either delete an existing character that you have already spent a significant amount of time leveling, or pay an additional ten dollars on top of the fifty dollars you have already paid them for the expansion. Which is absolute rubbish.

Both scenarios are unacceptable, and the only way to avoid them is to give in and pre-purchase. But then, that was the intent all along.

Oh, yeah… I agree on that, for a moment I thought you were required to purchase a character slot even if you had a free one already in your account…

By the way, ANet should upgrade the pre-purchase page, because for how I see it there is no mention of a free slot if you buy the regular version. You need to pre-purchase the deluxe edition, that’s €75 for EU people, to get the extra character slot.