Guild Wars 2

Narrrz.7532:

I’m gonna reserve judgement until my hot.

I feel like i should mention, though, that there’s been no stated intention/hints at rebalancng older content and what i’ve seen of verdant brink in the weekend events hasn’t made it look like there will be any place for a tank or healer in open world content (more than there already is, anyway – i just finished a fourth world completion on a character who is extremely tanky and it worked quite well in every event i got involved in)

my prediction is that tanks or healers will only be necessary in raids, if even there. If ANet balances things extraordinarily well, we might see them being useful in other content but they will not be required.

They already mentioned the core game will maybe getting dusty.
And that HoT will require the new kind of classes.

Well if you stick in old core content you don’t need the specs at all i guess.
Just stick around with some no money free to play guys and enjoy.

Hyper Cutter.9376:

Kirschsahne.2081:

Sorin.4310:

Weren’t the intent of dungeons to be played how people wanted? I’d say they’ve been played as intended for 3 years (ignoring exploits – all dungeon content can be done in full zerker no exploits). Everyone may not be played how you want, but they are being played as intended.

Being excluded because you don’t want to play like someone else want to is not intended, no.

Yes, it is. Raids are built on excluding most of the playerbase, that’s literally their entire point.

We are talking Dungeons here. Thank you.

I highly doubt you can dodge all the opponents in raids like they do in dungeons

Shen Slayer.3058:

Shoe.5821:

Shen Slayer.3058:

Zalladi.4652:

My concern with the healing though, is how would a Druid get credit for an event/kills/loot if they are solely focused on healing others?

This is especially crucial for WvW fights as an example – those on the Druid would receive significantly less credit for doing more work.

Yep….this is not going to work. Why would anybody want to be a healer when they can’t tag for loot. WTH was Anet smoking when they thought of this.

druid won’t have a lot of problems tagging, except maybe when zerged by enemies. At least a couple of the staff abilities do attacking and healing at the same time, including the autoattack.

The question also might be…does it do enough damage to get credit for loot. Dedicated healers generally don’t dish out a lot of damage.

I am not sure you play GW2 for the right reasons.
May i suggest a Casino ???

Jonbon.5126:

Kakapo.5230:

I don’t like where this is going. Required healers means that forming groups will be harder, and more people will be excluded. Several classes have no viable group healing options, and this brings me back to the days when I played WoW, when pure DPS classes were stuck in one overpopulated niche no one wanted when forming groups.

Not to mention if you are a ranger people will cry and moan that your not a healer. I don’t understand why a ranger becomes a healer anyways. I mean seriously, did you roll a ranger to dps or heal?

You are not a ranger anymore you are a Druid.
If you turn it off and go back to Ranger you can play the DPS build.
I don’t see your problem

IndigoSundown.5419:

Harper.4173:

Kirschsahne.2081:

Shen Slayer.3058:

Zalladi.4652:

My concern with the healing though, is how would a Druid get credit for an event/kills/loot if they are solely focused on healing others?

This is especially crucial for WvW fights as an example – those on the Druid would receive significantly less credit for doing more work.

Yep….this is not going to work. Why would anybody want to be a healer when they can’t tag for loot. WTH was Anet smoking when they thought of this.

Don’t be dramatic here and insult A-Net.

People like me never played for loot. We actually played to enjoy a FANTASY game without any competition. This is called role play game for a reason.

If you wanna loot or rewards start a MMA or Football career.

You zerker kids have to get used to the fact now that there are stilld escent people out there who appreciate art and lore over any loot or violent zerking.

Enjoy being a part of raids as a cookie-cutter build. The introduction of roles doesn’t change the fact that there will be a meta – and with a meta you won’t be playing much of anything but what the meta dictates for that content.

I’m seriously sad that some classes will be reduced to their role and nothing else.
If Druid is going to be the strongest heal spec in the game – I look forward to seeing the people who asked for roles and trinity enjoy their rangers as anything but druid in raids. Which will probably never happen.

Yep. What’s really amazing is the crowing these people are doing about how now the zerker meta is over. We don’t even know if that will be true yet.

I guess when A-Net developer say in a presentation that zerker is bad for the game and they designed it so every zerker can put their build into the garbage bin, i think it’s legit.

Hyper Cutter.9376:

I don’t play ranger to BE A kittenING MONK

That’s literally the opposite of what I want to do!

No problem you are a Druid. Problem fixed

Narrrz.7532:

Kirschsahne.2081:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

sean.6058:

Agreed. The trinity is a better system than what we currently have.

Why would you think that?

Because it’s a ROLE PLAYING GAME !!!!!!

The whole purpose is to play roles.

ahem. I think you’ll find it’s not a rolesplaying game. just a roleplaying game.

That role is dps. (/s)

That changed today

Shen Slayer.3058:

Kirschsahne.2081:

Shen Slayer.3058:

Zalladi.4652:

My concern with the healing though, is how would a Druid get credit for an event/kills/loot if they are solely focused on healing others?

This is especially crucial for WvW fights as an example – those on the Druid would receive significantly less credit for doing more work.

Yep….this is not going to work. Why would anybody want to be a healer when they can’t tag for loot. WTH was Anet smoking when they thought of this.

Don’t be dramatic here and insult A-Net.

People like me never played for loot. We actually played to enjoy a FANTASY game without any competition. This is called role play game for a reason.

If you wanna loot or rewards start a MMA or Football career.

You zerker kids have to get used to the fact now that there are stilld escent people out there who appreciate art and lore over any loot or violent zerking

Then give me all your loot.

I am good with that i already have everything available from Legendaries to ascended

Eidolonemesis.5640:

Kirschsahne.2081:

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

sean.6058:

Agreed. The trinity is a better system than what we currently have.

Why would you think that?

Because it’s a ROLE PLAYING GAME !!!!!!

The whole purpose is to play roles.

Players who currently (for the most part) heal themselves play just as much a role as a dedicated healer by keeping themselves alive! We do not need some other dedicated healer to do that for us since the current system has proven that (unless you are bad at the game). That is the role of a self-healer, to stay alive and take down the enemy.

Thank godness A-Net has a different opinion and i share it.
We DO need more roles and we will have it.
Just get used to it. Maybe you are looking more for these new Japanese MMo’s with 30 feet long great swords to swing all day long.

Sorin.4310:

Kirschsahne.2081:

you shouldn’t have zerker gear from beginning.

if you decided to abuse a system you have to pay for it later. this is how life works

Seriously, what are you even talking about? Like are you trolling? They chose an armor stat and now they are abusing the game? You cannot be serious.

What do you mean by trolling…

When everyone is choosing one single stat from millions available to “skip” or “outsmart” the game how it is intended to play it’s abusing the system.
Dungeons ringing a bell???

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

sean.6058:

Agreed. The trinity is a better system than what we currently have.

Why would you think that?

Because it’s a ROLE PLAYING GAME !!!!!!

The whole purpose is to play roles.

Sonickeyblade.8415:

I’ve never been a fan of the trinity and it’s what drew me to GW2. Now I won’t say the sky is falling yet, but I am VERY worried that we’ll devolve into Tank/DPS/Heal specs.

Nothing wrong with that. I can tell you tons of people were just waiting to get fun back into the game.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

With the new druid announcement people are screaming “healer class yay!” Keep in mind that if you are healing you aren’t doing damage and therefore dragging on a fight and cooldowns are still lengthy. You are doing instanced content and people want to complete that instance as fast as possible.

No… YOU want to finish it as fast as possible.
Don’t speak for other people.
I always enjoy the lore and the whole experience and couldn’t care less about rewards or loot.

You guys will have to adapt to a lot….

Sorin.4310:

Weren’t the intent of dungeons to be played how people wanted? I’d say they’ve been played as intended for 3 years (ignoring exploits – all dungeon content can be done in full zerker no exploits). Everyone may not be played how you want, but they are being played as intended.

Being excluded because you don’t want to play like someone else want to is not intended, no.

dom.2748:

Kirschsahne.2081:

This is a happy day for all of the GW vets who were waiting for something going back to the golden times.
People can finally play some important roles beside the toxic zerker meta.

Druid heavy healer and the talks about dusting off the tank characters is indeed a Franchise saving day for all responsible gamer.

What are you talking about? Druid is a healing class, I don’t know where you’re getting anything about tanks. This game has no tanking mechanics whatsoever. I can see groups needing some support to help stay alive in some of the harder encounters especially early on while the mechanics are being figured out, a trinity this is not and I foresee great disappointment for you.

I strongly advice to follow the interview from a couple of weeks ago when they told the people that they better dusting off their tanking gear to go to HoT

nekretaal.6485:

Which class is the tank?

the berzerker will have a defensive mod not just an offensive

Shen Slayer.3058:

Zalladi.4652:

My concern with the healing though, is how would a Druid get credit for an event/kills/loot if they are solely focused on healing others?

This is especially crucial for WvW fights as an example – those on the Druid would receive significantly less credit for doing more work.

Yep….this is not going to work. Why would anybody want to be a healer when they can’t tag for loot. WTH was Anet smoking when they thought of this.

Don’t be dramatic here and insult A-Net.

People like me never played for loot. We actually played to enjoy a FANTASY game without any competition. This is called role play game for a reason.

If you wanna loot or rewards start a MMA or Football career.

You zerker kids have to get used to the fact now that there are stilld escent people out there who appreciate art and lore over any loot or violent zerking

Kakapo.5230:

I don’t like where this is going. Required healers means that forming groups will be harder, and more people will be excluded. Several classes have no viable group healing options, and this brings me back to the days when I played WoW, when pure DPS classes were stuck in one overpopulated niche no one wanted when forming groups.

No this won’t be harder.
This change finally exclude lame and lazy zerker button #1 pushers.
And A-Net is doing right so. GW is still a FANTASY game and not a steam punk pew pew game.

Bringing roles back into role playing isn’t coming early enough.
And people like me will fight for he right to be a healer or tank.

Great job A-Net, you guys made me coming back with hands full of money.

Trinnitty.8256:

Kirschsahne.2081:

A little bit of a Drama Queen aren’t we dear OP ??

These changes are insanely welcome by 99% of the fanbase.
Get used to it.
People will gladly play Druid or Tank

UNTIL they stop getting loot drops because they’re stuck in heal mode

do you really belive a-net isn’ aware of this ??/
they will just change yellow for green numbers to count for your reward.
easy and simple.

You guys will never be happy

you shouldn’t have zerker gear from beginning.

if you decided to abuse a system you have to pay for it later. this is how life works

A little bit of a Drama Queen aren’t we dear OP ??

These changes are insanely welcome by 99% of the fanbase.
Get used to it.
People will gladly play Druid or Tank

phys.7689:

DiogoSilva.7089:

phys.7689:

Hahahahahahahahhaahah dedicated healer. Really glad i waited to prepurchase. Gw2 was killed by hot

GW2 endgame was killed by the zerker meta 3 years ago. HoT will revive it.

Sorry guaranteed damage and people given the job of healing your unavoidable damage is not adding anything to the game.

Its a forced dependency with no depth

It gives the game the most impotant thing back….. FANTASY gaming.

And there is nothing more deep than a fantasy lore actually played by fantasy characters… you know sword n boards.. healers.. archer etc…

The real shiny days of GW2 start today.

May i offer one of the Japanese hack n slay games where you have nothing more than a Great Sword and cartoonish characters without any story

RSLongK.8961:

Kirschsahne.2081:

RSLongK.8961:

uhul finally wow clone! glorous 99% of the market, haha glorious green bars filler job
[cries in nomads]

It’s sad to see that you are disappointed.
Maybe GW2 is not the right game for you anymore.
I guess if you take a step back and observe is a better way to aproach the game again and find new joy before judging too fast

Sure its soon to judge that the game is becoming trinity YES.
Now my satirical comes from a standpoint that the game i bought at release and invested money for 3yrs was not a trinity based game, otherwise i shouldve stayed playing lineage2 or WoW, YET, i dont demand those games to change to my playstyle.
Now, i see all this “trinity is best”, in a game that is 3yrs old out of it, as comical enough to indulge myself to a very snarky remark

i see you point.
But there are people who invested 8 or more years from GW1 on and everything was taken away from them.

I am absolutely sure A-Net gets these people including me back and that is a very good thing indeed.

phys.7689:

Lol unavoidable dmg and healers haha gw2 is basically standard mmo now. Took 3 years but they basically gone back on all the selling points of the game

It’s absolutely the opposite.
Gw2 took all the selling points away from one of the best MMo ever GW1.
They did the right thing to save the franchise. Period

A-Net i am more than happy to come back to the game and spend tons of my money.
You are welcome

Ripkord.8567:

Iam soo angry right now, in fact everyone is. Are you out of your mind Anet ?

You can speak for yourself please.
I am more than happy. it’s just the mindless zerker kids who cry out loud now because they will face skilled opponents now.
A-Net did the absolutely right thing to bring the bitter vest back to the table.

Glorious days are ahead.
If you don’t like it there are plenty of other games with Great Swords and hacking on the market.

phys.7689:

Hahahahahahahahhaahah dedicated healer. Really glad i waited to prepurchase. Gw2 was killed by hot

Nope GW2 was saved by HoT.
More class based game style is what brings financial stable vets back to the game.
Sorry for the zerker kids, but the dark ages end here

Glenstorm.4059:

Kirschsahne.2081:

Glenstorm.4059:

INB4: GLF Druid!

Seriously, this is what I’m afraid of. GW2 was supposed to avoid the situation where you’re stuck waiting for a healer. I liked that a lot.

I hope that doesn’t happen now.

And GLF experienced zerker is way better ??
People throwing you out because you are ranger or Necro is better ????

A-Net is absolutely right in stating that right now we are in a toxic meta that destroys the game.

Druid and Tank will totaly change the whole lazy game style…

Bravo A-Net

Just to clarify: I hate the zerker meta as much as anyone else; it’s stagnant and boring, and stifles creativity….but it’s more the fault of the enemy design than anything else.

Thing is, every bit of content in the game atm is able to be completed without a zerker meta party. Zerker is just the most efficient way of doing it.

All I was saying was I HOPE the content they’re making doesn’t obligate the use of Druid/dedicated healer, since that directly contradicts one of the core design philosophies of GW2 (and the reason they gave everyone a dedicated heal skill.)

And i hope it does.

There is nothingmore wrong with everyone can do everything.
Heavy guys with scepters…. light armor guys with Great Swords…. thats ridiculous.

More class based game play is exactly what we need.
Just try to tell the arty guys at WoT they should do direct attacks or Heavy tanks to stand behind front and arty fire… they would show you the their favorite finger.

A-Net is doing a step into the right direction.
Back to a FANTASY game where guys with sword n board charg the opponents and fine archers shoot arrows…..
They will get tons of bitter vest back who are willing to spend some coin instead catering to mindless kids who are not able to spend anything.

They get some of my money fore sure.
HoT was instantly ordered after the Druid reveal

Awweeeeeeeesome………………. i want new pets…..

A-Net i love you and i am one of the bitter Vets left behind a long time.

You guys made the absolutely right decisions….. kudos

Ayrilana.1396:

Kirschsahne.2081:

Odin of Ark.4860:

Pretty much, dungeons still clear too fast for a druid to be effective with heals.

I would say it’s the opposite.
Finally you have the chance to play the dungeons as intended.

As Anet intended? I wouldn’t go as far as to say that. Maybe “play dungeons closer to how I feel they should be played” would be a better statement.

well yeah that is maybe right.
Anyways a very welcome change

RSLongK.8961:

uhul finally wow clone! glorous 99% of the market, haha glorious green bars filler job
[cries in nomads]

It’s sad to see that you are disappointed.
Maybe GW2 is not the right game for you anymore.
I guess if you take a step back and observe is a better way to aproach the game again and find new joy before judging too fast

Odin of Ark.4860:

Pretty much, dungeons still clear too fast for a druid to be effective with heals.

I would say it’s the opposite.
Finally you have the chance to play the dungeons as intended.

Glenstorm.4059:

INB4: GLF Druid!

Seriously, this is what I’m afraid of. GW2 was supposed to avoid the situation where you’re stuck waiting for a healer. I liked that a lot.

I hope that doesn’t happen now.

And GLF experienced zerker is way better ??
People throwing you out because you are ranger or Necro is better ????

A-Net is absolutely right in stating that right now we are in a toxic meta that destroys the game.

Druid and Tank will totaly change the whole lazy game style…

Bravo A-Net

Azzer.8137:

Kirschsahne.2081:

Tapioca.9062:

Now the lack of beta testing time makes sense. It was dead before it was ever born. I could not be more disappointed.

gosh i have waited for that since 3 years. Finally A-Net figured out that
1 single meta build is worse than trinity.

And finally i can give back what was thrown at me for 3 years.

GW2 is about tactics and skills now, if you don’t like it GW2 is not for you

So getting a new meta for each profession is better? it’s still gonna be 1 best spec to use. nothing changes but your gear stats.

Not sure what you are talking about.
Instead tipping #1 key mindless you are forced to play a skilled positioning game and use all of your skills to keep tanks alive.

This is the best thing ever and A-Net is right so to go back to the golden age of GW.

Like i said there are plenty of Japanese MMo’s out there right now where you have nothing else than a huge Great Sword and do nothing else than slamming it into stuff.
I can give you a list if you are interested. Gw2 may not be the best choice for you in future

Dradiin.8935:

Umm where did i say i wanted to be a zerker? or that i expected it to be that way with my character ? I play a ranger as my main, it has been mistreated by A-net since day one and has received the garbage end of the shaft for 3 years, of course i am not gonna be pleased that the only way A-net can make us semi useful is to turn us into HEALBOTS.

Zerker my rearend, you have read into something i never said or even eluded to, but thanks for putting words into my own sentences.

Play a Ranger as yer main and you tell me how fun it is to get refused good groups.

Ranger is my main char as well and i don’t think its as bad as you make it.
I have absolutely no problem to get into dungeon groups or fractals or whatever.
And i use the lfg tool as everyone else.
Maybe it helps that i am not a serious gamer and just enjoy the role of a ranger instead pimping it to the top of possibility.
And dodging rangers are feared in PvP as well.

It is a nice adition to an already nice class and nobody is forced to play healer

This is a happy day for all of the GW vets who were waiting for something going back to the golden times.
People can finally play some important roles beside the toxic zerker meta.

Druid heavy healer and the talks about dusting off the tank characters is indeed a Franchise saving day for all responsible gamer.

I guess it will be like doing damage at the Tequatl laser events.
Your damage counts for your rewards.
Pretty sure the damage is replaced by healing numbers

Dradiin.8935:

Seriously, now we are relegated to healing in dungeons, fractals, HoT, and i am sure it will be a forced thing in WvW as well. So much for hoping my ranger might be viable in the game as something more than " Heal, Heal, Heal".

Well.. sorry you are disappointed.
But i am afraid GW2 is not for you if you can’t adapt to somethign else than zerker meta.
They will change a lot and even mentioned that you should dust off your tank for the future to soak up heavy hits.

There are plenty other games around that are more likely to your likings

Tapioca.9062:

Now the lack of beta testing time makes sense. It was dead before it was ever born. I could not be more disappointed.

gosh i have waited for that since 3 years. Finally A-Net figured out that
1 single meta build is worse than trinity.

And finally i can give back what was thrown at me for 3 years.

GW2 is about tactics and skills now, if you don’t like it GW2 is not for you