Guild Wars 2

i hope this isnt intended due to the ammount of skill this brings into games, changing stuff depending on certain situations. first rez timer, now no switching? you trying to make this game designed for……

Rez signet nerf
Healing nerf IF they nerf damage from mesmers-thiefs (nerf both at same time or leave both)

Jericho.4521:

Traxx.6358:

I play as a thief and I try other professions to know how to behave in certain situations and I just have no idea how to to deal with ele.

Well I think we’ve found the problem here. I encounter many people who have never fought decent D/D eles and have no clue what they can do, and they are almost always easy kills. The ones who have played Ele, or are just more experienced and know what the class is capable of can definitely give me a run for my money.

I’m not saying play it to counter it. I’m just saying: Know your enemy a bit better.

I’ll start with some tips I gave the thief subforum a long time ago:

1. Ele’s defenses are different from those of say, a tanky warrior. That is to say most of what makes us a pain to kill doesn’t come from stats directly, but rather our utilities, buffs, movement skills, control abilities, and big heals.

2. True “Bunker” eles are rarely a threat. The ones that fight back and can hit moderately hard are running the typical 0/10/0/30/30 build. That said, these builds ARE vulnerable to burst damage if we can’t avoid it, I only have 2.1k total armor (1200 toughness) and 17k health on my current build.

3. Your burst combo is more effective the longer you draw out the fight. Eles have long CD’s on all of their skills, even though they have double the amount. Softening them up first and playing a little more defensive than you usually would, THEN bursting is pretty effective. Try to make us blow our Cantrip utilties and water attunement so we can’t get out of the burst or heal up from it.

4. As super said, average backstab thieves are an easy kill for a balanced ele. The concept of root and spank at the very beginning of the fight doesn’t work as well because we typically have 3 cantrips, giving us 3 stunbreaks + easy access to vigor, and tons of condition removal.

5. Daze, Immobilize, Stun, or really any other conditions in large quantities will typically make us blow Cantrips, which is the KEY to winning this fight. Without cantrips we can’t get out of bad situations nearly as easily and continue fighting.
The toughest thieves I’ve ever fought on my Ele have been ones that pace themselves, dodge frequently, and make me cycle through skills and utils just so that I can keep moving. They were running fairly high toughness, had decent defenses and kept me guessing the entire fight.

+1 support.
Spike vs bunker ele is deffo the way to go.

Reaglass.9658:

Kylex.5962:

i only have a few issues with Eles in general.
-D-D:Burning speed for the damage it does with the cd it has. extremly strong
-Ether renewal needs a nerf guaranteed.
-the heals are very high. but unless you fix Shatter-thiefs its kinda needed.
-and then the obvious.. Mist form rezzing

only main issues on eles for me at the moment.

Mist Form isn’t bad.. It buys time but not rez. If you want bad look at Warrior skill of getting back up and being able to actually fight too.

its bugged. insta cast on rez + it has individual cd, so you can cast rez 2×. 1 whilst in mist and 1 out of mist

and yes. i dont mind telling people this since i want it fixing on 14th.. i dont want Anet to miss this, and have it abused for another month upcoming.

i only have a few issues with Eles in general.
-D-D:Burning speed for the damage it does with the cd it has. extremly strong
-Ether renewal needs a nerf guaranteed.
-the heals are very high. but unless you fix Shatter-thiefs its kinda needed.
-and then the obvious.. Mist form rezzing

only main issues on eles for me at the moment.

then all these points are invalid lol. D-D ele cant tank like S-d/Staff can, so i dont understand the topic here, complaining about D-D damage? or Bunker eles?

but look at it from most class perspectives. you can bunker out in so many classes, and also do so much damage on other classes. why ele in particular?

also when you state these “builds” can you tell me in what situation its in.. High end tpvp? or trolol pug stomping, or joke spvp

OneManArmy.5617:

A good elementalist has the best of all worlds, he can tank, can have a variety of boons with high duration, he can heal abundantly, AoE dps very well and has amazing mobility. Oh and their downstate is one of the best in the game.

If you build it as a bunker for tournament games, you can survive fights against 2-3 people for a very long time, which makes it the best bunker class for holding a point.
Your AoE dps as a bunker is decent and your heal is ridiculous.
If you die you are able to quickly move back to your point.

Burst eles are amazing for team fights with their huge AoE spells and knockbacks, but i would say they are fine.The real problem is bunker eles.

lol all this qq, may i just ask which 2-3 vs the ele is. because we have 13.8k hp and thief combo can hit that in 1 go, shatter mesmer can hit like aoe 15k combo. would love to see which 3 classes your talking about ele tanking.

it seems we have huge regen BUT we need it. lowest hp pool and light armour. gg.

go ahead, nerf our heals. how does a light armour survive like that?

Edit: there is a ranger build which has prety much same purpose as this ele build. its almost impossible to kill/low damage(but still higher than this bunker ele which everybody cries over)/aoe buffs/15s water combo field.

why is nobody complaining about that?

Lipstickxx.1043:

Actually , I have to agree that the problem seems to be toughness .

as much as i want to agree with that, if they fix toughness so it does less damage, this game will be ruined for good. bunker wars 2

Blackjack.5621:

as long as thiefs can kill people in 1 second you better don´t remove the signets, it´s the only way to survive their burst :x they can still quickness stomp you before rez -.-

you may be talking from low end pvp experience. as i said, only high end tier teams will understand my point. if your idea of a thief is
“it 1 shots everybody 24/7”
please.. don’t give your opinion on this topic.

Ygritte.1783:

Kylex.5962:

Hi, since your picture isn’t valid and you used ele as an example. i will link 2 pictures below.

Even though it seems stupidly OP, its rare occasions it happens and if a thief specs like this, hes completely useless after his burst.

i don’t have issues with thief’s in current state

P.s this isnt against glass cannon ele either. its more bunker ele.

Come on :P my backstab hits 9k on medium armoured targets all the times , today I got 13k crit , also I don’t find it op as it’s extremly easy to dodge if you are smart. About the usefullness , the thief after the burst can go shortbow ( while waiting for dagger CDs ) and still deliver dmg

yes, re-read what i said :P i think its balanced the way it is, and as i said, it rarely gets me. i was just simply providing a picture with what this guy means from pvp side, and not wvw

Shukran.4851:

afaik bunker ele are good not for their hp pool or tons of toughness but for their healing / cleansing skills. so if you burst down a ele don’t letting him use his defensive skills…it is not a good example.

i never critted something more than 5-8k to a bunker guardian or defensive warrior. and they have larger hp pool and armor

this is the main reason it doesnt bother me, but im just backing him up because people complained about the wvw pic. his point was thiefs can 1 shot randomly out of nowhere

edit:
that damage the thief can do, also can 1 shot the engi-mesm-ele-thief-warrior. and forces necros into plague form usually

Hi, since your picture isn’t valid and you used ele as an example. i will link 2 pictures below.

Even though it seems stupidly OP, its rare occasions it happens and if a thief specs like this, hes completely useless after his burst.

i don’t have issues with thief’s in current state

P.s this isnt against glass cannon ele either. its more bunker ele.

Raytek.6193:

All signet rezzes have insane cast times and can be interrupted (the only exception is an ele who uses stability, the cast time is still 5 seconds and a stomp can easily happen in that time).

insane cast times? and yes. sure, easily interupted when you dont even see them engage a fight from 1.2k meters away. sureeeeeeeeeeee

and ele can mist form rez with a 0.5 second induction, then repeat the rez because apparently they dont share the same cooldown, nice exploits.

the rez signets aint a problem in random games vs basic teams, but when its full bunker teams + they use the rez signets, its getting kinda stupid… most people prefer the kitten svarnia rune bug meta, than this current one

Can Anet look into removing or “fixing” these kitten signets.
its like fighting a team 2-3x over with all the spam rez’s/double full heals. ontop of having the double rez from mesmer/ele due to bugs.
Not only that, but with ele rez you + ally become invul for 5 seconds when you rez, and you can do it again.. so practically invul for 10 seconds + ele invul for 15 seconds.. nothing game breaking yet?

And before the trolls come up with comments like “interrupt them?”
You don’t need LOS to rez
half of them are instant cast

Most casual players wont understand the frustration of this, top end paid teams will understand…

Since they completely nerfed Ice bow/meteor shower damage vs treb, does this mean you intend on removing repairing treb via. portal?

Hi, everyday during 7pm->11pm this happens, the msg constantly repeats itself.

iv tried following instructions on error page and nothing is working, anybody have any tips for fixing?

thanks

Funny this. IF they plan on nerfing eles heals. majority of people have:
- 13.8k hp/light armour.
How is that suppose to survive?
1x backstab thief can take ele to 10% health – shatter mesmer can also do roughly the same.
make it in a 2v1 situation and…….. problem solved?

i agree with down state eles getting nerfed, but heals in general which people are complaining about is a joke lol, they already broke blast finishers so our Buffing build isn’t viable, our dps isn’t comparable to others as a “main” dps.

See how he abuses block bug?