Guild Wars 2

I am primary thiefe and thief forum is NOT full how mesmer is hard to kill:D Opposite, lately i have seen 2 threads how mesmers are piece of cake now after illusions can be avoided/blocked by dodge/skills/blind. But truth is lot of thieves are crying because of cnd dmg nerf and flying dagger nerf (btw Pvp only which is Spvp not wvw).

As mesmer you can kill BAD thief, if you meet decent one + it is always same – steal/preloaded cnd hit/backstab – and after 100ms you reac with pressing decoy, while already dead:D

Oh one more thing, if you manage somehow to survive the steal/CnD/backstab, mostthiefe then use repeated heartseeker as finisher, or use one whole sequance of autoattack (3 attacks) which is eactly when they can use cnd again for another burst.
Problem is that after the burst combo they can double dodge for the same result and be practicaly invulnerable till they land cnd again. I strongly sugest to use blink as one of the offensive/defensive skills, it helps alot

I guess you will get many answers how mesmer can own thief, which is basicaly true if you find the BAD one. If you find skilled thief who know what he is doing you will not survive(if he gets the jump on you). If it is duel, front to front, you can block/diversion the first burst and then it is lil more equal. But if you are traveling and thief surprises you, no you cannot reac as all damage happens in 1 second. All his attacks are qqueued before your responses, even if you manage survive steal/preloaded CnD and stun break venom, stealth will aply but backstab will hit you anyway.

But as i said, it depends on thief. As my main toon is thief, i have never ever met mesmer i couldn’t kill, using 10/30/30 build with massive stealthr egend, prolonged stealth. I met few who put really good struggle/fight but thiefe damage is off the normal scale atm with constant bursts (ever 3-4) sec.

All i can recomend is to travel with friends and apply team strategy. My typical strategy as thief is to spot target, even if they spot me, you can surprise them by shadowstep 1200, shortbow 5 900, steal 900 distance, and cnd/backstab, if i get jump it is always same… basilisk/preload cnd, steal, backstab, haste is overkill .

I am honestly unsure how to counter thief jump burst, all those ppl saying you hit deploy,dodge are wrong as good thief apply his combo actualy before you even move your finger to your own skill :P, you cannot even use block/dist. shatter self fast enough, just there is no time to react. The damage is aplied so fast and it is too big.

Only thing which helps is… observe, constantly scan area, never let thief to get jump, if you see them, they cannot surprise you. If they super fast appropach you with shadowstep, Sb 5 , hit stealth before they arive close enough for steal then aply your strategy

Yup, rangers are completly worthless, always when i see one regardless class i am playing (currently have only 80war, 80 thi , 80 mes and poor 41 rannger – abandoned), it is easy kill :P ranger was my first toon and it is quite good pve (double bear tank). Problem is wvw/spvp/tpvp it is rubish. I was expecting big buffs for that class but nothing so far:/ They deserve really major update. All other classes have their own use, but if you ask me, i would create group of only thieves:D It’s awesome when playing in group if skilled thieves-3-6.

If you played thief you will realize there is no need of anythign else than group of thieves.
Team with good team play and thieves only will just slaughter anything:/ so be prepared to see more thief only sPvps :<

Lol, it’s fun to read replies of some kids around here. At first, i completly agree with OP, my primary is thief, full exotic, ful berserker, but build is healing/dmg, so i keep incredible dureability with cloaking/regen when cloaked, longer cloak and still keep backstab betwen 10k-8k on soft and 8k-6k on heavy. I laugh at those zealously defending thief . no offence but that class is completly broken for pvp, mainly when you know thief well as me and staret other classes like warrior, now have it on 80 and mesmer 80, what i can achieve on mesmer with mega-combinations of buttons, i can easily get repeated button mash on thief :P

To be honest and to tell you truth, thief is still incredible Op. I never play spvp but very often Wvw, so far i got owned only by warrior/guardian and only because i went berserk regardless of Hp. I never really found equal match except few rare mesmers and other thieves.

Right now i tried mesmer for the first time in wvw to see how it is liuke and what do you think… thief… and listen to this… 9k stealth, over 7k cloak and dagger and LOL 15k backstab… I do not know even how it is possible, when i use full glass cannon, with max food, util, sigil, bloodlust max i get best 12k backstab. It’s funno to see fellow thieves to defend the class how it is fine and all and how it is fragile and stuiff. I tell you this, i am glascannon and with stealth regen i am durable enough to match anything.

I am very disapointed how many lies are going around these forums, sigh. Stealth immunity btw doesn’t solve anything,l it activates when activating stealth not when leaving stealth. Thus with traited longer stealth you can stay stealth forewer with just good tining of cloak and dagger (of course necesary to trait 2 init refund when cusing stealth skill). That is why there are so many thieves who are 25 % only visible during battle.

The whole concept of thiefe vs other classes is broken for me. With basilisk venom, 90% ppl are just firsty combo downed :/. Not really fun any more. Btw again.. lies by many thieves… you can activate cloak and dagger before you hit stealth, thus it lands 1ms after stealth and the person has 0% to react for the attack followed byh backstab

I just hope i am nto the only thiefe who is disgusted by so many lies going around here about thieve class… i honestly think thief is broken by it’s weird mechanic atm. But of course there will always be those who claim how thiefe is ok and that it is fine and balanced oh well..

Well, unless anet does something serious about class balancing, i am shelving the game also because it is not really wun for me in Wvw anyh more. I must say i agree that soon it will be thiefwars 2 :P no reason at all to play other class than thief atm, and make thief only groups :> ( wtg haste+dagger storm) :P

p.s. excuse grammar errors and typos, English is not my native language