Guild Wars 2

Shonie.5297:

Normal WvW problem.
Lack of care by Anet.
Nothing new.
For those saying it’s ok, it’s not.
People expect a reward for the effort they put in. In game and in life.
I have an understanding at my job that I get paid every second Thursday for the hours I put in every 14 days. I get paid every 2nd Thursday, no exceptions, ever. Not paying me because some other employee has an issue with direct deposit is not my problem.
Not getting my WvW season rewards because other players are having issues getting their chest is not my problem.
It comes down to lack of care and attention to detail in WvW from Anet. It’s been this way since launch, I doubt it will ever change.

Exactly. We aren’t “haters”. Anet is a company that made a promise to its customers. It needs to keep said promise. I can’t stand the “don’t complain, don’t be negative, just be happy because you’re not starving to death” attitude. Its narcissistic apathy veiled in blissful ignorance. People have valid concerns. Learn what empathy is, and let people express themselves. I’m sure that if the people saying “don’t be hating” had a skin they wanted [and earned] bad enough, they would be right here posting. They sure were coming on and whining/complaining when the Zodiac armor had two pointy bits on it that they didn’t want, that’s for sure! Then they got their way, and went back to telling everyone else “don’t be hating, don’t be so negative”. Hypocrisy is distasteful…

I would appreciate if Anet would make the mistforged weapons available to buy with the tickets. There is no sense giving us tickets and then telling us to wait [even longer] for no reason. Anet needs to stop taking forum trolls seriously. So many changes have been made based on the loud minority’s demands. It’s getting ridiculous. First the gem store item censorship, and now its getting into EARNED content. Smh…

People are complaining in-game, and even on Mumble, that most players’ concerns aren’t getting heard on the forums. Most people agree with them – as do I.

cale.7380:

Behellagh.1468:

cale, the point was they did buy it, it was changed post purchased because, those who are upset believe, enough players raised their objection to it. It is a valid point. But I consider the modification no more significant than if they fixed a clipping error.

Yup,i got it,and i bought the zodiac light armour before they “modified” the gear,but still,i don’t notice any huge change to make people complain about this problem,also to keep again in topic,i’m pretty sure there will be no change to the Majory’s weapons at all,so guys,just don’t start a new complain about the zodiac aromour otherwhise this topic will be closed by Anet again.

No problemo.

On-topic, i’d strongly recommend the daggers for necros, especially if you’re going for a “Lovecraftian” or “Assassin of Grenth” theme. They’re just plain beautiful.

They make any other weapon look dull by comparison. To me, it’s worth playing Guild Wars 2 just to brandish those bad boys at a bunch of baddies.

[some screenshots of the daggers on my blog, if anyone’s interested: http://xirus11.blogspot.com/2014/03/nyxs-res-liber.html ]

Behellagh.1468:

Then I hope you understand why I replied to “Update: I have decided to keep playing Guild Wars 2.” with my sarcastic remark. See I don’t know you from Adam and that statement implies that somehow your participation in this game is worth some note. I see it the same as someone who declares the party can now start since they arrived. Basically an egotistical, self important diva and I really hate those. I can’t put into words how much I loath people who believe their opinion simply matters more than the rest of the masses.

I had an experience a week ago with someone who thought rules didn’t apply to him and I simply couldn’t smack him upside the head but my seniors insist that we have to grin and bear it because the people he represents are simply too important to our little non-profit. So I still have a nerve frayed by that and seeing something similar here got you the sarcasm cannon pointed in your direction. Sorry about that.

Yea, I understand, and no worries. I wholeheartedly respect the company as far as their rules go. My opinion is just as valid as anyone else’s, and if they just changed it without doing the retroactive nonsense, or gave a warning, etc, I would have never even bothered visiting the feedback thread and raging there. I also don’t consider myself important [actually, most people would say that I have major self-esteem issues, and that I apologize too much >_< ]

I just know that basic common sense dictates that a dealer shouldn’t key a car two weeks after its been sold, and skins in a game work the same way. It may be a minor change, but the principle still applies. My ego and existence are irrelevant compared to integrity and principles – it wasn’t my intention to sound egotist. I just have a very strong opinion on this matter, and it seems silly that anyone would think that they had a right to dictate something I bought and now own. I don’t tell anyone else how to live their lives, or what they should and shouldn’t like, buy, etc., so idk why others feel the compulsion to do that with me and other people.

I think everyone in the US, UK, Australia, and some parts of the EU have their nerves pinched for reasons not limited to this game in particular. I’m gonna take my melatonin here, and hope that tomorrow Anet decides to tell me that they, at least, aren’t changing this armor anymore. I would also hope that neither of us gets infracted, when its clear that this was just a misunderstanding fueled by mind-numbing stress and insomnia – two problems that each individual in every “first world” country is sharing right now.. I really, really don’t want to have an issue with anyone, let alone the company that made my favorite MMO.

Behellagh.1468:

If they didn’t mention it, would anyone have noticed right away if at all?

See I look at it as a “bug” fix. It’s just as if they fixed a clipping issue someone pointed out. They didn’t add more armor or move armor as some suggested in the zodiac thread. I’m sure nobody at ANet thought about it until someone pointed it out. And after a long look and consideration they told the art department to tweak it just to be safe. That’s why I didn’t see it as a big deal. If the top of my head peeked through the top of my hat and they fixed it, would I be upset? No. Even if I didn’t mind before it likely bothered others.

The flamekissed armor was clearly a misstep that they admitted too quickly and they understood why players who paid a lot of gold for their Tier 3 cultural armor would be upset that anyone could now buy a “nicer” variant with gems and at the time and with gold bought gems also cheaper. Now zodiac armor simply brought up the time honored chain mail bikini for females Vs full plate for males issue. Are the armors practical or simply cosmetic. If they only had practical armors in the game everyone would either look like a tin can, a leather fetishist or a walking quilt.

We had something like this happen back in City of Heroes. It was a trick of the shader combined with the mesh but it sure darn well looked like the game was having a wet spandex contest. But since the cleverer among us dumped the textures before and after and there wasn’t any art asset there, it was an artifact of the mesh + normal map + shader. Also it was more noticeable the darker the color was, white wasn’t revealing while black “hinted” at something. There was no drama, no rage quits, no vowing never to buy another thing from the game.

But I do understand your point. You are concerned that the masses may be able to alter an item significantly after purchase if they make a loud enough noise. And the only real case of that was the light flamekissed armor which was quickly caught and refund system put in place if the owners didn’t like the change. Personally I would have rebated the cost and strip them of the item immediately but I don’t run ANet’s business.

Thank you… breathes massive sigh of relief

Sorry for getting so defensive, but its been more of a pain in the neck than it should be trying to get that point across to people, and I’ve been dealing with loads of wonderful stress elsewhere, too. Between chronic [a few years, only diagnosed recently] sleep apnea, and idiots encountered while doing activism for different causes on social networks, and then this nonsense, I’m surprised that my brain isn’t oozing out of my ears. -_-

[and this is just the past week. This has actually been, by far, the best week for me yet this year, too(with the exception of playing guild wars 2, of course)…Fun times >_< ]
Guild Wars 2 and Skyrim have been a major source of stress relief for me. So its one heck of a relief to finally get my point across to someone, and not feel so alienated Thank you again for providing said relief.

I really do hate dealing with conflict and drama, period. It’s just that when things hit so close to me, I can’t just sit back and not stand up for my rights, and the rights of those around me…

cale.7380:

Lightyears.8624:

Xirus.9675:

I would, but I’m worried that the tentacle graphics might get removed 2 weeks from now.

They’re a little offensive to some people, after all – this game is rated “teen”, not “hentai”!

The changes to the Zodiac armor is why I will never buy skins from the gem store again.

I want what I paid for, not what Anet thinks I should have after the fact.

i totally disagree with you,i don’t think Anet is going to change the Marjory design first,i’m pretty sure about it,also about the zoidac armour,they JUST modified a little bit the design,in order to make better proportions for the female characters,which i think it was a smart move,besides that the armour is pretty much the same as in release,so please why don’t you guys stop criticize Anet for even small changes?
if you don’t like it just don’t buy it.
and now back to the topic,the Marjory weapons are gone,i was luck enough to grab two daggers and an axe for my necro^^

I. for one, already bought the Zodiac armor. I also own the daggers [I hope I’m not lining myself up for more pain from Anet by mentioning that] This standard dismissal has been repeated so much that I have to wonder if you’re copying and pasting….I’ve already made it clear – repeatedly – that it was the forced retroactive changes on past purchases that have made me and other players so upset. It wouldn’t matter what those changes were.

Behellagh.1468:

Xirus.9675:

I love how posts like yours, which are condescending, and the definition of rude, never get infracted.

Thanks for proving my point. Really…

Oh, and nice ad hominems. You really know how to make a strong case for why Guild Wars 2 should just edit people’s armor retroactively after purchase, and just silence customers when they post their concerns about this trend. You make such a strong case by trying to prove that I’m just being some creepy perv for wanting anatomically correct boobs! Those people in Europe are creepy pervs, too! There’s a lot of countries, and even US cities, that have whole populations of creepy pervs who want nipples and skin to not be censored! Reality is so scary! Ahhh!!! How have we survived as a species???

Yep – way to grossly oversimplify things to try to make my concerns sound petty and irrelevant. Acting that way to other customers is sure to attract new players to the game.

I also love how you basically took two little lines out of a wall of text and only responded to that. Classy. Everything about your response is just so classy – not rude whatsoever… >_>

Way to keep the love coming, Anet.

Sorry if I’m mistaken but I believed that was the gist of your various deleted posts. Since all they “fixed” was the normal map and a little bit of clipping through the armor under the breasts I simply classify that as an overreaction.

You have to understand the game got it’s various game ratings in the US, UK, EU and Australia based on the existing content and the presumption that it’s not going to change. IF, the change was done to eliminate any doubt that the zodiac armor is an energy field projected from bits of armor and not translucent blue shrink rap with bits of armor like some soft porn fantasy film then it was done to protect the ratings of the game. Anyways the underlying models are Barbie and Ken accurate, which is saying they’re not. So there isn’t anything you could see if the blue was a translucent layer.

By being upset you are implying that the minor changes ruined the look you were looking to achieve when you bought it and that the selling points were a hint of nipple and areola, which the change in the normal map eliminated. And to be honest, looking at the pics from the closed zodiac thread, I don’t see an difference in the coverage of the armor bits as some have implied.

So I consider this to be an uproar over nothing. Certainly not anything to heap abuse on the ANet art team or any forum members who may disagree with your take on the situation.

I’m just concerned that this will become a trend – someone complains about something on a forum, and suddenly the skin gets changed for -everyone- to suit their rage. They could change the skin without forcing those changes on people who have already purchased the armor. Heck, if it was offered as an optional update, I may very well have made a whole blog post out of it, and been happy with the update, explaining that her skin armor got thicker or something.

It was the fact that they -forced- these changes -retroactively- on -past purchases- that has destroyed my trust of the gem store.

In most MMO’s, they do the things I’ve just described. It’s not that hard to respect customers’ past purchases…

They could edit the skin to have her boobs flailing everywhere and I’d still be upset. And not a single moderator even bothered to say a word to me when I messaged them. There’s simply no justification for that…its just rude, and as much as I’d like to believe that I’m overreacting, that simply isn’t the case. I can’t accept this precedent. Most players can’t. It doesn’t matter how “small” or “petty” or “pervy” or “proper” the change is, and if you were actually reading that thread, you would see that I was not the only one concerned about this trend.

They. Forced. It. On. People. Retroactively. Who. Had. Already. Purchased. This. Item.

I don’t know how you could possibly miss that this was the primary reason for my concerns, as I have used the words “forced” and “retroactively” more times this week than in my entire life. -_-

And I was incredibly happy with Guild Wars 2 and Anet until I found out that they did this.

They could have at least given us fair warning, and the option to get a refund.

I’d at least be happy if I knew I could get a refund for this, or even if a mod or cs person messaged me back when I messaged them on this site. They didn’t do that.

They just deleted and banned and silenced and forced. That is my issue.

This is about the principle of not forcing changes on other’s purchased goods, and poor customer service. As far as I’m concerned, they could have made the nipples pokey, and I’d still be here.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Xirus.9675:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Xirus.9675:

Basically they just sent the message yesterday that they can edit our already-purchased goods whenever someone else on a forum complains about something, on a whim, so I am forced to draw the same conclusion as the OP’s title.

From what i hear about the Flame-kissed armor, it isn’t the first time, either.

Indeed. Anet admitted there was a mistake made with the Flame-kissed light armor skin. Kudos to them for not only admitting the mistake, but then fixing it as well. Players who weren’t happy with the fix were given refunds.

They didn’t get refunded from what I’ve read.

Players had to have contacted Customer Support to get refunds. See the following announcement:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Flamekissed-Armor-Skin

Thank you, i read this.
The issue is that they didn’t do this with the Zodiac gear. Instead of warning us, temp removing it, re-posting the changed version, and letting people who purchased it before keep the old version, or offer a refund – they just crammed the changes down our throat, and made a side note in the patch notes yesterday!

And all because a few people complained about the “chest area”. No legal risks or anything, just a few people raging about it on the feedback forum. It’s insane.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Xirus.9675:

Basically they just sent the message yesterday that they can edit our already-purchased goods whenever someone else on a forum complains about something, on a whim, so I am forced to draw the same conclusion as the OP’s title.

From what i hear about the Flame-kissed armor, it isn’t the first time, either.

Indeed. Anet admitted there was a mistake made with the Flame-kissed light armor skin. Kudos to them for not only admitting the mistake, but then fixing it as well. Players who weren’t happy with the fix were given refunds.

They didn’t get refunded from what I’ve read.

That being said, it really wouldn’t be much effort to not thrust retroactive changes on people who already purchased skins from the Gem Store.

I’d rather not go for a refund. I, for one, have already included this armor as part of my character’s abilities on my blog: http://xirus11.blogspot.com/2014/03/nyxs-res-liber.html
I know I’m not the only one who integrated this armor with their character.
I know I’m not the only one who cares when someone screws with stuff after we buy it.
So don’t even try to act as if this fact makes me unique in any way. That would be a load of bull, pure and simple.

Plus, you’re not taking into account the cost of runes, sigils, transmutes, upgrades, etc. when calculating said refund, even if it were an option.

This is pure insanity. My expectations are a product of numerous compromises, and are well within the bounds of reasonable expectations as a loyal customer of the Gem Store, and as a customer of any business – period.

Basically they just sent the message yesterday that they can edit our already-purchased goods whenever someone else on a forum complains about something, on a whim, so I am forced to draw the same conclusion as the OP’s title.

From what i hear about the Flame-kissed armor, it isn’t the first time, either.

I spent more than I should have in the Gem Store, so I guess in some ways I should be thankful that Anet gave me a reason to never buy from them again…

Like, why did you buy the item in the first place if you were oh so offended by how it looked? Why would you do that and then demand that it be changed for EVERYONE ELSE who actually enjoyed it and was pleased with their purchase? What makes you think that you even have the RIGHT to make such a petty, immature demand on everyone else that plays the game?

Frotee.2634:

Xirus.9675:

Frotee.2634

Anet should pay attention to posts like yours more often. People who complain about nipples and skin are just trolling everyone else who plays the game. It’s sad that some people don’t realize that this is a common tactic among people who just want to inflame a community.

You do realize that trolling and complaining about blatant sexism are two very different things?

So baring male nipples is okay, just not female nipples? And you consider what I said sexist? Wow. Great point to read when I just woke up. And you aren’t trolling? Are you sure?

Look up “topless equality”, and then think twice before calling someone who is for it “sexist” again. Such blatant hypocrisy is comical at best, worthy of a /facedesk at worst.

Is this entertaining for some of you? Bringing a petty “war against the nipple” onto my favorite MMO, at the monetary cost of me and other players? What’s next, mandatory head coverings for all female characters? And yet somehow I’m the sexist??? This is what I get for having fun on Monday, right? I have to have a depressing killjoy the next day. Can’t enjoy a video game without someone trying to cut off my character’s nipples. Classy. Thanks.

I wasn’t calling you sexist; I was calling "bringing out yet another armor with a definitive “oh look, BOOBIES” feel to the female version (and still less chest coverage on the female version) sexist. I mean, just look at them on a female norn or even human – and tell me the breast area doesn’t seem like a visual focus.
Yes, it is nice to have male and female armor with obviously the same style and theme and a similar level of coverage – but the female design is still clearly sexualized, which gets really old really fast. Why is it so difficult to design armor whith a cool theme AND a nice balance between covered and sexy (=classy)? Why do we usually get either VERY sexy or completely covered armor?

I honestly don’t care about the nipples, and if I had enough free time to troll people for fun, I’d probably still do something more productive with it.

And you want to take your emotions about the proportions of the armor out on OUR purchases that we already made? Do you seriously think that you’re entitled to edit other people’s purchases without their consent??? Controlling much?

And if you notice, the guy I originally quoted in your post was talking about the MALE armor. So, yea…

I was reacting to this: "People who complain about nipples and skin are just trolling everyone else who plays the game. "
Does the meaning or intend of this quote significantly change depending on who you responded to and what this person said? Hint: You were obviously generalizing.

Also: Where exactly do you expect me to vent my anger about the Zodiac armor but in the thread created specifically for feedback concerning it? Would you seriously have me open yet another thread on the exact same topic? I just don’t get your expectations.

I also don’t get the outrage on the ‘change’ to the existing armor set as they obviously changed nothing but the visibility of the nipples on the armor map.
If they changed anything significant on an existing gemstore skin, of course people who already bought it should be reimbursed.

Your anger that I purchased an armor that was originally released with nipples? Have you ever heard of the term “principle”? Can you seriously stop being such a CONTROL FREAK? WOW. Do you not get that this is unethical and WRONG to do to people???

Frotee.2634:

Xirus.9675:

Frotee.2634:

Xirus.9675:

Zaoda.1653:

Kinda disappointed that my male’s zodiac chest hardly shows any abs anymore after this update :-( it was kind of the reason I wanted to buy the skin in the first place, but I’m starting to be afraid of what I purchase now that skins seem to keep getting updates that some of us don’t particularly want.

Anet should pay attention to posts like yours more often. People who complain about nipples and skin are just trolling everyone else who plays the game. It’s sad that some people don’t realize that this is a common tactic among people who just want to inflame a community.

You do realize that trolling and complaining about blatant sexism are two very different things?

So baring male nipples is okay, just not female nipples? And you consider what I said sexist? Wow. Great point to read when I just woke up. And you aren’t trolling? Are you sure?

Look up “topless equality”, and then think twice before calling someone who is for it “sexist” again. Such blatant hypocrisy is comical at best, worthy of a /facedesk at worst.

Is this entertaining for some of you? Bringing a petty “war against the nipple” onto my favorite MMO, at the monetary cost of me and other players? What’s next, mandatory head coverings for all female characters? And yet somehow I’m the sexist??? This is what I get for having fun on Monday, right? I have to have a depressing killjoy the next day. Can’t enjoy a video game without someone trying to cut off my character’s nipples. Classy. Thanks.

I wasn’t calling you sexist; I was calling "bringing out yet another armor with a definitive “oh look, BOOBIES” feel to the female version (and still less chest coverage on the female version) sexist. I mean, just look at them on a female norn or even human – and tell me the breast area doesn’t seem like a visual focus.
Yes, it is nice to have male and female armor with obviously the same style and theme and a similar level of coverage – but the female design is still clearly sexualized, which gets really old really fast. Why is it so difficult to design armor whith a cool theme AND a nice balance between covered and sexy (=classy)? Why do we usually get either VERY sexy or completely covered armor?

I honestly don’t care about the nipples, and if I had enough free time to troll people for fun, I’d probably still do something more productive with it.

And you want to take your emotions about the proportions of the armor out on OUR purchases that we already made? Do you seriously think that you’re entitled to edit other people’s purchases without their consent??? Controlling much?

And if you notice, the guy I originally quoted in your post was talking about the MALE armor. So, yea…this isn’t about “GAHH SEX!” or limited to any one gender. This is about Anet changing our armor after we purchased it. Keying our car after we bought it, all because you stomped your feet for weeks on end. Even if they made it bare skin with pokey nips, I and others would still be here, complaining that our armor was edited on a whim, and/or solely at the demands of people on forums. There is NO justification you can make for this. It is unethical, pure and simple. So stop trying to justify your need to control other’s purchased goods. It is the worst thing about our society, and the source of all ails – the desire to control others, no matter the cost.

Even if it is a “petty change”, its one that is a product of petty nagging by people on the forums about how “offensive” a nipple/skin is. No ESRB pressure. No legal pressure of any kind.

This is the reason why people are upset, not the change itself, as the “anti-nipple” trolls like to depict it:
Knowing that if enough people flame and troll a certain forum to demand a change to our character’s armor, that Anet will bow to such petty demands, it pretty much shreds our trust of the company, as we are people who bought the armor and didn’t expect petty demands to be fulfilled at other gamers’ expense. This is why.

Calling us “petty” for complaining about this is psychological projection, and not-so-subtle gloating over bringing a company to its knees with petty demands and without legal backing.

Frotee.2634:

Xirus.9675:

Zaoda.1653:

Kinda disappointed that my male’s zodiac chest hardly shows any abs anymore after this update :-( it was kind of the reason I wanted to buy the skin in the first place, but I’m starting to be afraid of what I purchase now that skins seem to keep getting updates that some of us don’t particularly want.

Anet should pay attention to posts like yours more often. People who complain about nipples and skin are just trolling everyone else who plays the game. It’s sad that some people don’t realize that this is a common tactic among people who just want to inflame a community.

You do realize that trolling and complaining about blatant sexism are two very different things?

So baring male nipples is okay, just not female nipples? And you consider what I said sexist? Wow. Great point to read when I just woke up. And you aren’t trolling? Are you sure?

Look up “topless equality”, and then think twice before calling someone who is for it “sexist” again. Such blatant hypocrisy is comical at best, worthy of a /facedesk at worst.

Is this entertaining for some of you? Bringing a petty “war against the nipple” onto my favorite MMO, at the monetary cost of me and other players? What’s next, mandatory head coverings for all female characters? And yet somehow I’m the sexist??? This is what I get for having fun on Monday, right? I have to have a depressing killjoy the next day. Can’t enjoy a video game without someone trying to cut off my character’s nipples. Classy. Thanks.

I can see the abs and anatomically correct parts on my character, for one. Maybe its because I’m nearsighted, but as I see it, they just toned down the proportions of everything to make her look less like a pinup or barbie doll…i hope that this is the case, and that there are no further edits.

I will say this though: Such changes make me wary to make any further purchase from the Gem Store., too.

You’re going to scare customers away doing stuff like this, Anet. Anyone who tells you otherwise is just trying to force their opinion on others via your company.

It was a bad call to edit this, censorship or not. It should have been left as-is.

Having a feedback thread for this armor should have been for future armors, not for edits on this one. Especially edits to armor that people already purchased.

Any changes should have been made for purchases this date onward – not thrust on those who already spent their money on this. If we didn’t like it just the way it was, we wouldn’t have bought it. Pure and simple.

Zaoda.1653:

Kinda disappointed that my male’s zodiac chest hardly shows any abs anymore after this update :-( it was kind of the reason I wanted to buy the skin in the first place, but I’m starting to be afraid of what I purchase now that skins seem to keep getting updates that some of us don’t particularly want.

Anet should pay attention to posts like yours more often. People who complain about nipples and skin are just trolling everyone else who plays the game. It’s sad that some people don’t realize that this is a common tactic among people who just want to inflame a community.

Oh wait, did i say the nipple was still there?
No, no it isn’t. It’s totally gone. Censored. No need to parade Anet with angry screenshots. They totally cut that evil sinful piece of flesh out completely!

[crosses fingers and hopes that this doesn’t become a case of “i have altered the deal, pray i don’t alter it further”, as in this robot chicken sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpE_xMRiCLE ]

Skintight = No nudity shown. Thank you for making my point even stronger.

The nipples are still there anyway, just less pronounced, so I’m just going to shut up now. Sorry, and thank you again Anet for recognizing topless equality.

Despite the fact that she’s still covered, anyway, as Nike pointed out. >.<

Turtle Dragon.9241:

This falls in the same category as Flamekissed Armor.
So I wonder if we could ask for refund,

If a gemstore item is changed after purchase, we should be eligible for a refund(in gems) regardless of whether we used real cash or in-game gold.

Did people who purchased Flamekissed Armor with gold>gems actually get gems refunded after the skin was swapped? How did they remove the skins off the Transmuted Armors?

Agreed. This is ridiculous. They removed the outline of the areola, which is silly, since all the watchwork knights have theirs poking out.

And if this game was made pre-1930’s, would all the men be wearing undershirts???

This is just blatant censorship.

And apparently I am an idiot. Nipples still there, just smaller. Nevermind, sorry.

Sorry x9001.

:x

Edit: removed “western” to please those who need everything that everyone else writes to be politically correct. Since that is apparently what whole companies do when people complain over something petty.