Guild Wars 2

Well my sabertooth 990fx r2.0 came in today cpu will be here tommorow i got it installed and everything setup including got all my liquid cooling setup on new board and put my p2 955be in it either way it had to have bios updated lol. I can tell you this board has enough stuff in the bios to realy confuse you also i was hoping to get one last hoorah out of my 955be and overclock it to its limit hoping the 790fx i had was holding it back quess what it wasnt i just got a crap c2 revision 955be that wont overclock pat 3.7ghz but does 3.7 on oem stock volts.

I just cant wait to get the 8350 in tommorow and take it to around 4.6ghz maybe higher i got plenty cooling to do so lol. I also want to say dont tell asus but i removed all of the oem heatsinks and changed the thermal paste putty crap ( cleaned with acetone and a piece of small plastic to scrape old crap off )on them oem and swapped it out with good thermal paste on sb / nb and also the vrm’s arctic cooling mx-4 i had and the temps are very nice if i dont say so myself now temps on all areas dropped 5c-8c which is a huge drop in temps so the crap they use is total garbage. I also noticed the heatsinks were not making proper even contact before i did so.

I want to point out and yes you have to request the patches and they send them to your email that was what i meant by have to contact microsoft to get the patches.

the 30% was a genral idea of all the tweaks not just the patches hince disabling amd c n q / disable core parking manualy / and lock amd cpu at its turbo clock so it doesnt jump around on frequency then the patches. I also want to point out alot of more recent tests have shown on win 8 once fully updated the bottleneck for sli/crossfire is nearly non existent win8 got the patches automaticaly. Technicaly it isnt overclocking and is just cutting all the bs eco features out.

I will also point out Jazhara Knight in a previous post mentioned in another forrum topic about process lasso and amd fx cpu to get better performance and better core usage per core / module

There are patches out to make benchmarks think you have an intel cpu instead of amd that will cause benchamrk scores to go way higher than normaly would with amd cpu alone. I cant find any links to them at sec but i know many benchmarks there was a patch to do so.

the tek syndicat video i linked first http://teksyndicate.com/videos/amd-fx-8350-vs-intel-3570k-vs-3770k-vs-3820-gaming-and-xsplit-streaming-benchmarks gives a true showwing of the increase in performance after the patch almost all benchamrks you see are oem not patched out install of win7 and no optimizations period. I will say amd will take a few extra tweaks and a little time but after you do so they fly.

The fact to be told if you diasble amd cool in quiet / disable core parking / and also lock cpu to be permanently into turbo mode without patches i previously mentioned you will see a huge performance increase on nearly any amd cpu period. I will also say after the above mentioned patches you get on amd fx cpus upto 30% added core efficiency you do math the performance increase without overclocking is pretty high far higher than any benchmarks you see online about the amd fx period and by technicality that is still oem alot of people that do alot of encoding and such have to disable core parking and amd cnq period to keep data flow solid and quality solid.

I will say after those are done to the cpu settings and such before overclocking will run with the big dog intels ( for 1/2 the price ) without overclocking in nearly any aplications or benchmarks unless benchamark is optimized for intel which many were and got sued over it because it was proven in court.

well the issue about core usage had alot to do with the win7 lack of support for fx cpus you have to email microsoft to get the patches (they are not part of reg updates) for the amd fx series cpu so most of the benchmarks and tests you see are faulty. The patches and fixxes from microsoft fix the issue with the core efficiency alot by meens of coreparking disabled and the fact it doesn’t jump core usage all over the place like it does regular.

The reason it fixxes alot of issues on the fx cpu’s is because everytime it moves a function to another core / module it has to reload the cache on each module aka 2 cores of cpu get a lag and loss and fight over priority of the cache of previous task and it has to restart whole process again (core scheduler bugs ). The patch treats each module like a dual core seperate cpu aka the combined l3/l2 cache per module (each module is 2 cores with a shared 2mb of l2 and 2mb of l3 cache )is used far more efficient per module raising the core efficiency minimum of around 10% often it is found to be near 20%-%30 total efficiency increase on the fx 8350.

So the core efficiency of the fx module on win7 after the patches is night and day compared to before so on average almost all benchmarks and tests you see online are false.

http://teksyndicate.com/videos/amd-fx-8350-oc-vs-i5-3570k-oc-battle-continues below video is a link to the patches i am refering to microsoft does not supply them in reg updates only other way to get them is to email microsoft and request them then they email them to you.

I will say i prefer amd better bang for buck period and well amd board with nearly exact specs as intel board and almost exact layout / colors for amd are almost 1/2 the price of intel version add to it intel is way overpriced and well there are just to many intel fanboys. I used to be one of them if that isnt saying something and now i despise intel and intel fanboys no one should be a die hard fanboy of either side but pick what will work best for your budget and goals / needs .

Jazhara Knightmage that is a crazy amount of encoding performance there me i dont do much video stuff but plan to do a bit of uploading and such to youtube of gameplay and such .

I also wanted to say ty the info you gave me on the other issue realy helped me out typing in forrums and such and also helped me finalize my decision on amd fx 8350 cpu the mobo thing the asus sabertooth i like because military grade components and 5yr warranty and it is alot cheaper (by nearly $100)than the crosshair v (2yr warranty)with nearly all the functions of chv.

I have always loved the TUF series boards and well the sabertooth also goes with my scheme alot better the coolermaster HAF 932 towwer is a military style towwer so the mobo fits right in the scheme and well i love camo lol. I want to point out again warranty / price was main thing that helped me on the choice the fact TUF series and military styled is all plusses lol.

The overall performance of the sabertooth also helped the choice it is one of the top performing boards period in 990fx class and well overclocks like a monster. The added functions and supplied accesories also helped out everything i have found about r2.0 sabertooth says once bios is updated they run flawless and also are more stable than the original sabertooth 990fx and arent as quarky about ram.

If memory serves me right the board only had 1 functional memory slot and it was the 3rd one the others were dead over the fan. So board still worked but playing any game at time with 1gb of ram was crazy and stupid lol .

That was around $300 loss i keep around to remind me about the ram fan stuff you couldnt pay me to do it again that was biggest hassle and bs i have ever gone thru pc was out for like 3 months over it took 1 month for them to contact me then 2-3 weeks for me to get board back then i had to buy a new board which i had spent all my cash in that build and then some not to mention all the time and headache involved in my testing .

Those baords were very expensive on release. I bought it day after release and 3 months after assembly the fan on ram ruined the board. I had rma’d the board it made it to them then they tested and told me what happened then asked what ram was in it and about the ram fan as soon as they heard oem factory to ram fan was on the ram voided warranty and sent me the old ruined board back. I still have it as a decoration hanging on the wall.

the fan issue ( corsair dominator )i refer to an issue i personaly had 3 months after assembly it ruined the mobo ram dimm slots the asus company asked what ram i had and if i had the fan on the ram i said yes then they voided my warranty and pretty much told me to go f%^$ myself oh i wanted to point this out it was a asus crosshair IIV board.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EK-Corsair-Dominator-Series-X4-Ram-Liquid-Cooling-Block-Acetal-Nickel-CSQ-/380576519025?pt=US_Water_Cooling&hash=item589c20d371 this is the waterblock for that ram i was talking about the fan issue is very common and ruins the mobos ram dimm slots.

kool i thought about the corsair dominator gt platinums but all the reviews said they were exact hardware as the vengeance line so the price was not worthit to only get option for special liquid cooling topplate or ram fan which usualy the fan causes issues the vibration from fan messes up the ram dimm slots connectoins within slot.

I also want to point out the company that makes the ram for this model of kingston is same company corsair and many others use for theyre top end ram chips so this ram set should be awesome and has lifetime warranty covering it for oc’s to 2400mhz hince the xmp profiles auto overclock features so if i get crazy it is covered lol.

I also wanted to say ty jazhara knightmage for the compliment i am trying to keep from doing the block walls of text lol.

also able to keep voltage at 1866mhz with those timings at 1.55v is very nice alot get it stable at 1.5v period so that is the reasoning behind that ram.

The reason i am running the 2400mhz ram is for the purpose of downgrading the frequency so i can massively tighten timings in the 1866mhz ram speed http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-2400MHz-PC3-19200-KHX24kitten3K2-8X/dp/B00A771ZWI/ref=sr_1_16?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1360723819&sr=1-16&keywords=2400mhz+ram and well price is right downing it to 1866mhz i have seen and heard people taking it to 8-9-8-25 timings which is insanely tight timings for that high of frequency every amd cpu in games i have ran love tight timings.

http://teksyndicate.com/videos/amd-fx-8350-vs-intel-3570k-vs-3770k-vs-3820-gaming-and-xsplit-streaming-benchmarks i posted this just to shut up the soon to chime in intel fanboys

I was opening this topic to see how many poelple are using this combo on this game and what are the results . The reason being is i will have setup up and going very soon and would like to get a little heads up about issues and such before hand.

I also want to point out i run a ati hd6970 gpu. The cpu and gpu will be liquid cooled with insane overkill liquid cooling setup hd 6970 is overclocked to max allowed by bios within card 950mhz on core and 1450mhz on ram 100% stable and cpu will be overclocked to around 4.6ghz x8. I am trying to find out how well this setup will do ram will be 2400mhz kingston hyperX beast ram 16gb and hardrive will be ssd ocz vertex 4 128gb is there going to be any major issues with this game.

I play game now with the same hd6970 oc’ed now and amd phenom II 955be oc to 3.7ghz x4 and well everyone says i am bottlenecked by cpu so i am upgrading and upgrading bigtime dont chime in should have bought intel i despise intel fanboys intel is way over rated and amd if setup properly run very close to intel near same lvl of performance / price and amd is alot better bang for buck.

the 50% increase i was refering to was amd cnq off and core parking diasabled and the microsoft hotfixxes add all of them together you get upto or around 30%-50% increased performance over regular install and oem settings then comes the ram timings if you tighten the timings any amd cpu will respond way better amd isnt all about frequency every amd i have ever dealt with love the tightened timings over frequency also upping the nb frequency makes a amd cpu jump and run like someone fed it meth lol

i apoligize for the blocks of text smartphones are a pain to do forrum stuff on this phone agrivates me so much i almost want to destroy it but that would be $500 wasted lol

yes i know about the block thing but i am doing all this from a smart phone and it is realy hard and time consuming to do it properly and a real pain in butt lol i should be home tonight to use my old gaming rig lol mobo/cpu wont be here till tuesday or wendsday and as for original issue i have figured that out as cpu bottleneck at sec but tues or wed that is all history lol

http://forums.pureoverclock.com/operating-systems/17990-windows-hot-fix-amd-fx-cpukittenml read this and maybe you could see why the issue with amd fx and gw2 was not just gw2 problem it was microsofts mistake that helped the issue so the above video you linked aza is bs do your research almost all benchmarks you see online using the fx cpu period do not have core parking disabled nor amd cnq off and also dont have the microsoft patches installed for the fx cpu so once these are done performance jumps up a huge amount so intel fanboys do your proper research and dont just spout garbage amd is a good company and is just as good as intel in my eyes and cheaper and just as reliable and overclock like a monster most of them

the hotfixxes are for win7 and win8 they allow the os to use the cores properly with the 8350 otherwise the system wont allow but a certain core to take top usage and will randomly jump around on other cores which from my research drops the 8350’s performance by upto 50% on any game period even web browsing without the hotfixxes after the hotfixxes it runs properly

aza my comment on that video is simple that was early testing of game and before there was hardly any support for the fx8350 period and likely without the hot fixxes from microsoft for fx 8350 which are not included in the regular updates you have to email microsoft and then they will email you them trust me i am doing hardcore research on this now

jazhara knight i was just curious as to the settings to get a 4.9ghz oc on the 8350 100% stable i have an overkill cooling solution look on the last set of posts i did and is a link to some pics be aware the setup is way more cleaner and refined now no radiators within towwer anymore and the cooling cabinet is cleaned up and alot prettier lol the pics are old around 3yrs old the only one newwer is the 3x 1080p screens rack on front of desk special desk mount setup for 3 screens fully adjustable lol

oh all internal radiators within towwer are gone only thing in towwer is a pump and waterblocks i also have a pump down by radiator in cooling cabinet i use a special coolant mix 15% auto coolant mix ( i use the green universal ) which is diluted to 15% with distilled water then i add hyper lube a (auto coolant additive) to raise the anti corrosion ability of coolant then i add 4 drops of dawn dish detergeant ( per gallon )it allows for better heat transfer dawn breaks the surface tension of water allowing heat transfer from metal to coolant and vise versa and kills ability for algea and such to grow in system the above mix i have never had to change for years vs reg pc coolant every 6 months or so and did i mention this mix is cheap as hell (and makes alot of coolant in one mix)and works flawlessly and is safe to plastic accetal and all metals and even lubricates the pumps and such alot of cars use acetal aka plastic parts on cooling system and use copper and aluminum and brass also steel and if coolant is maintaned properly never corrode or breakdown.

http://s1203.beta.photobucket.com/user/rickcooperjr/library/ yes the the setup isnt pretty but it was the initail prototype these are old pics me and my fiance had just moved into our new house and well i wanted to get my pc up and going and built the cabinet fast like 5 minutes or so took the radiator i bought for my old 1973 gto new by the way never used i ended up using a 5 core aluminum racing radiator in the gto had the car for like 16yrs now it is my baby it only gets the best lol my very first car took 2yrs of work to get to drive it for the first time bought it for literaly junk yard price worked on it for years me and my dad he gave me pointers and advice i did the work lol. His thoughts were my blood sweat and tears go into it i would respect it more and trust me i do. I want to point out it is a fully restored / modified show car that i have driven around 10k miles in 16yrs so yes it is my baby.

hey jazhara knightmage i wanted to point out i will have the asus sabertooth 990fx mobo in like 2 days and the amd fx 8350 shortly after and my ram will be here 1866mhz corsair vengence later on i will step up to ati 7970 at sec i run ati 6970 oc to max cpu and gpu are liguid cooled and will remain so even after upgrade so overclocking / temps wont be an issue and i have a 1000w pc power & cooling psu so i have plenty juice to feed the unit. i see you have the 8350 what is max stable overclock you have found take into consideration i have way overkill cooling a custom cooling cabinet with a v8 automotive brass/copper 5core radiator in it and 5x 230mm fans on radiator lol.

exactly here i know exactly how you feel about how the game feels due to lack of optimizations and poor performance you just summed up exactly what i was waiting on in a response

and ty for the info that i have gathered i believe you are right kirito ty for those links i quess my cpu is the heavy bottleneck but it also states that as of now the game has issues with multicore cpus aka poor coreefficiency and lack of optimizations which can play alot of this but either way i am upgrading soon so it should be all good i was just curious and wanted to find any advice or extra info/ tweaks to see if i could get a bit more out of my current setup lol so i got me a good secondary backup pc lol.

well i am not a intel fanboy i prefer amd more bang for buck longstory i used to be a hardcore intel fan then well money got tight i went with a amd setup and well enough said since i have been a dedicated amd person intel mobos are way overpriced even ones with exact specs as amd version just with different sockets aka intel socketed the amd version is far cheaper and just as good add to it intel fanboys tend to be a hostile towards anyone with amd or often think they are superior at everything i am a loley guy that works for a living and roots for the underdog and in past amd has never let me down for the price to performance ratio or relaibility yes they tend to take a bit more finess to get everything tweaked for optimum performance but that is the fun. then you get into the overclocking even more fun i like to be on my toes and learning and so far amd has never let me down ever and well the 955be has lasted me many years and performed flawless so the you should have bought a intel thing i think is a bit out of order. I stated in above posts i prefer amd and even listed my future upgrades and present setup and issue was just looking to see if there was anything else i could do to get a little bit more out of it or if game just wasnt optimized properly for amd.

either way i quess i will find out soon the motherboard will be here in a few days along with a 8 core amd fx 8350 vishera piledriver cpu which i plan to clock to around 4.6ghz x8 if that isnt enough processing power then i give up on gw2 period

i am sorry i put all the spec information and everything i am not a major typing type person and as for you saying it is unreadable i added sentences and periods in m later posts but why do i need to break it into paragraphs the info is there you try to do all of this from a smartphone lets see how well you do paragraphs and how much of a pain in butt it is to do so on a smartphone

well game is playable but i expect a solid stable fps not constantly all over the place crysis 2 i run maxxed out with no issues and it is far more graphics and is way more intensive all around on hardware and run 50fps solid usualy more so i feel 35fps on low and 35 fps on maxxed settings on gw2 is a bit odd regardless the settings i get around same fps even at minimum settings with my hardware and it uses nearly exact amount of resources gpu and cpu either way hince the reason i opened this conversation in forrums. The issue is supposedly gw2 favors intel far more than amd hince why i opened this to see if it was just me seeing this or actualy was it due to poor coding for amd cpu’s or what hince needs more optimizations for amd and well according to my research the game was designed to run on dual core cpus and quads which mine is a quad and is overclocked to a descent clock far higher than most oem amd quads. So the thing about the game and my posting on this in forrum was to find out if it truly is designed more heavily towards intel if it is they need to update and optimize the game because more than 1/2 the players are playing on budget lowwer end units usualy amd me i have more of a mid to high tier amd /ati rig and well the game is not playing properly or upto the expected levels it should my rig is way above the average setup for this game and to be honest performs like a far lowwer end pc than it should.

as i stated before i always have atleast 30% of my cpu free while getting 55% gpu load hince lack of utilization i have never had gw2 use more than 70% of my cpu (3.7ghz x4)so that should not be that much of a bottleneck . I also would like to state i mentioned i am about to upgrade my cpu and mobo and ram even gave the stats of mobo asus sabertooth 990fx which will be here in 2 days along with cpu to be here in a few days also amd fx 8350 cpu (plan to clock to around 4.6ghz x8)the ram that will be installed is corsair vengence 1866mhz ram 16gb worth. The whole reason i asked about the gpu utilization issue is because i never break 70% usualy average of 60% usage leaving me minimum of 30%-40% cpu left which should be more than enough to utilize my gpu alot better than 55% hince why i started this posting in forrums to decide as to what i should do and am also soon jumping to ati hd 7970 gpu.

plz someone look at this and explain to me what is wrong i have tried everything i have found in forrums and used all my pc geek skills and knowledge to try to fix it myself and to increase performance and with the tweaks i have done has helped alot but there is still very poor performance for a setup like mine i even wiped out my system and reinstalled os and game and tried again 3 times so i know it is either bad hardware support by game or something along those lines like bad coding and very poor ati hd 6970 graphics utilization / support by the game and yes i have my card in a full pcie 2.0 x16 slot and gpuz says it is running in full 16x while ingame and i forgot to state i am running a raid0 array of ssd drives ocz vertex4 128gb 128kb stripe raid0 and do frequent wipes to keep raid array in top performance ssd in raid trim doesnt work so have to wipe it out and redo it to keep them fresh and running at peak performance usualy every month or 2 so any other advice or comments or questions plz ask or comment or however but i need some confirmation here as to what is exact issue i am at wits end here and literaly so upset i am almost about to quit game till they fix the issues i expect with a setup like mine to run a solid 60fps atleast on lowwest settings posible instead i get a stable 35fps or so and around same maxxed out settings in game which is pretty weird in my eyes also i run in 1920×1080 aka 1080p so the other issue about to low of resolution for my card is also not an issue

yes i have tried absolutely everything to get my performance to stabilize on this game fps is all over place no matter what i do hardware is amd phenom2 955be oc to 3.7ghz x4 all eco features off aka 100% 24/7 runs 3.7ghz and 8gb of 1600mhz corsair dominator gt ram with 7-7-7-17 timings motherboard is msi 790fx gd70 gpu is ati hd 6970 oc to 950mhz on core and ram is 1450mhz both gpu and cpu are liquid cooled so heat is not an issue i have a new mobo ordered will be here in 2 days asus sabertooth 990fx and also will have new cpu amd fx 8350 soon the issue is the game maxxed out setting uses 60%-70% of my cpu now and only and uses a max around 55% of my gpu yet i am lucky to break a solid 35fps constantly all over place with this amount of resource usage which i should be able to get alot better fps period all core parking disabled amd cnq is off and also i have win 7 64bit i am using the newwest ati beta 13.2 drivers i also installed the latest cap2 profiles because they also boost performance on single gpu setups also i have a pretty high end setup and have seen amd / ati setups with half the hardware i have get better fps than i do at same settings i can set to low settings or maxxed i get nearly same fps period no matter where i set stuff and have exact same cpu and gpu usage usualy higher settings use more gpu resources but for some reason this game is glitchy about this i also want to note temps are not an issue i run max of 100 degrees fahrenheit on everything liquid cooling got to love it and all my overclocks are 100% stable never crash or glitch or artifact or throttle so throtling issue is not the case nor temps or stability so dont comment on those suggestions