Guild Wars 2

SoR blob on EBG please divide and take another map.. You’re generating too much lag..

Tam.3146:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXbWKr690cE

Take a look. You will find that SONG really doesnt run with more than 20members
and they did do a lot of crazy tagless fight.

I know we all run in similar group sizes. I mean, we really only meet in EBG or in TCBL. What I have been trying to say is, if you want open field, REAL open field fights, resist the urge to combine 2 guild groups just to fight 1..\

We don’t care which guild we fight, as long as we get fights, you guys should rotate and go flip some SoS stuff in between or something. It’s just that we play in the same 3-4 hours every day and 2 out of 3 times we just face….. blobs.

Granted, maybe we are the only server in the matchup that can bring a fight against your server as far as this timezone’s numbers are concerned. You rotate your groups, get your ppt and all get your fights, not a bad thing, right? :p

Tam.3146:

ykyk.2740:

We are not JQ or BG, SoR SEA crew! It’s OK to not run in one mass of ungodly numbers!

In fact, if you split up you can use more skills and the fights become more fun. It’s pretty neat. This is the matchup to try that in

If I just bring 30ppl to attack your garr, would you guarantee that TC will only allocate the same man power to encounter our attack?
I love middle size fight, thats why I keep inviting TC guilds to do GvG and I found so much fun. But back to reality, in the standard wvw match up, both skill and number do matter.
In fact when we arrived the battlefield, there was already a sizable TC force led by WvW. We can barely handle that with the combined SoR force. If we split, we die. Dont underestimate your own server.

Come with even numbers let’s open field instead

Atine.8623:

krade.4021:

Goodjob blobbing it up NYS and SONG

As I said before, SONG never had, have not and never will run more then 20. That is, mathematically, <=20. We would ask gently for people to not follow us (around 90% of the time, or even 95%, we run without a tag), but hey, if there are no tags on a map, would you not follow the sole group (that you see) instead of standing at the spawn? And of course we would gather up forces to attack an objective we estimated that need us to gather up. To be honest, the number of people TC has playing (I assume you’re from TC) on a given map during SEA night tonight is quite impressive as well .

For the PVD part, I don’t think its forbidden to attack a gate, at least the developers this is not a illegal thing to do at this stage of the game. Doesn’t mean I personally agree it though. What needs to change in my humble opinion is that trebuchets shouldn’t be able to damage rams on the other side of the gate given the fact that catapults were disallowed of such ability. By the way, PVD down a gate takes greater time :o

If you play during SEA timezone (against TC) you’ll know that we only have _ number of guilds that run __ people. I’m not trying to condescend you, but we all know who wins the coverage war and the numbers war during SEA timezone. If you do run 20 people, you can easily hop maps to lose the “PUGs”/militia and run as a guild group tagless. And if you do run 20 people, you’ll find many good fights for sure. :] unless good fights are not what you are looking for, of course.

KayOz.3750:

Azure.8412:

krade.4021:

Hoots.9564:

krade.4021:

Goodjob blobbing it up NYS and SONG

Something tells me you’ve never fought MERC or ATM.

Well they’re not fighting MERC or ATM now. We can’t blame guilds for blobbing it up I merely said it was good job, nothing much.

‘oh hey we can’t siege quentin lets pvdoor the remaining 30% of the gate’

I’m pretty sure you guys do blob up in SEA too.

TC never blobs.

Ohh wait. they run with 60+ on their BL.

We run 2 groups of 20-25 (yes /supplyinfo) to capture different objectives but when we’re constantly facing 2 similar sized groups of SoRs who insist on staying together then of course it makes sense for us to group up.

Just a question though, if fights are what you guys are looking for, then why the need to blob up (40-50) when you already know that the only opposition you face will be 25-30? What is your definition of good fights anyway..?

This thread would be a lot better if people actually tried to be civil instead of talking down.

“Thanks for the fights! We appreciate you guys not giving up and continuously trying to fight us” > “Thanks for the loot bags!”

Thanks for the good fights TC Blobbing it up.

Uh oh SAB is back… Goodbye TC waypoints.

kRAVen.4195:

ykyk.2740:

kRAVen.4195:

As for all the questions, the answers are self evident if you just reread the thread. It starts out with Awe (wvw focus) calling out Kome (pvx focus) and then continues to deteriorate the reputation of Awe from there through bad pvf. Mainly though, yes it is just a couple trolls from that guild.

This has to be among the worst cases of shooting yourself in the foot I’ve seen around these parts, and that really is saying something. I invite you (and anyone who still actually cares about this farce, I’m hoping nobody) to do what you suggested and re-read the thread. Maybe who started what would be made obvious then.

That is unless you subscribe to a non-linear understanding of causality in which posts made in response to a certain guild leader’s remark on an entire server are in fact considered us “calling out” to others. No arguing with that type of logic, sadly.

Omg you are so right. After rereading the thread I see Lex call out Kome for a gvg. Then I see TC crying about a CD blob. Then I see Awe members making repair jokes and say that Kome needs to earn their respect or dont respect Kome (laughable). Then I see a whole bunch of Awe member say their guild is smaller now and pvx.

Besides some of the ways your members have represented the guild (Awe members used to have discipline in the forum) I am truly sorry for your guild. By the time you left CD Awe was a wvw focused guild that could easily help que a map. Surely, at least 100 members transferred to TC. Sad to hear that number has gone down to a 15 group pvx path.

Get your facts right. We never queued maps and our core was always 15-20. A few of us are speaking out because of all the the rubbish KoMe people are talking in the forums. And we were always PvX, still are. Please leave your misinformation to your own private server forums and WvW map chat.

Mr Whodey.6591:

I was on TC before you and played Tier 1 anything else you wanna say now?
Also awe is just as fairweathered as TC pugs, didn’t see you guys much during your 2 weeks in T1 but your sure doing a lot of talking now.

Yet another ignorant trash-talker… If you’re talking about forums, we’re showing up because we have had a bone to pick with KoMe (I hope you know who this is?). As for WvW, we are on every night even against T1 servers. Yeah we’re a SEA timezone guild.

kRAVen.4195:

None of that was in the first line. I guess counting isn’t a prerequisite of doing what you’re being told in a zerg. If you absolutely must have the last word though….Here is the shovel…dig on!

To keep this relevant, thanks to all for the good fights.

“queued a map”. yeah it was in your opening line.

kRAVen.4195:

How would you even know that without reading past the first line?

You claim to have ran alongside us and also say we queued a map. That’s all I needed to read. :p

EDIT: I just read the rest of your comment.

Firstly we’re a SEA timezone guild majorly.

Secondly, we asked for GvG many times via private message and whisper but never got a reply.

Thirdly, we play in SEA prime timezone so we do not know about your Oceanic timezone.

Fourthly, you played alongside Awe vets and people for months and you just talked smack about our guild leader taunting your Oceanics? Lol. What do you really know?

Fifthly, we had our reasons for leaving and it wasn’t about resilience and what nonsense you conjured in your mind. What tough times was it to PvDoor for weeks on end with some people trash talking their own server guilds?

But I guess if you really do not know anything about what happened then you have the right to make shallow, inaccurate observations and stick with them :/

Marquiz.7625:

Sovereign.1093:

:3 Hi there. Y u mad bro?

Be nice, I posted that vid because I wanted to show that we get wiped every now and then. Leax is a great guild leader and it’s fun running with him. Inhale, exhale. Relax and keep calm.

Not mad at all. We’ve fought along side each other many times, especially during the dark days of the exodus to Kaineng. Was just expecting a little respect for our futile efforts at pushing TC, you guys know how it feels first hand, but clearly HAN.9027 deems our efforts funny

Marquiz, oh Marquiz. How long were you fighting against us the whole of last night? Do you even SEA, bro?! KoMe had superior numbers to us the whole time. Ask your commander to do a /supplyinfo (if you can get your blob to stack, that is.) We were running anywhere between 15-25 most times.

Respect? Earn it. 4 out of 5 battles last night you had siegerazer with you (at 2 different towers), superior numbers to us and did not dare push. What kind of respect do you expect?

Lol it’s just funnysad that Marquis remembers the tower defense at NE CDBL but not SW TCBL since when was SEA timezone a representation of TC?

Marquiz.7625:

Wait, did TC just qq about a lower pop server actvating siegerazor and using a golem? So, we cannot use a omega golem because its a wooden tower? Wonderful logic there!

Besides, all I see in the pictures are AWE defending a tower, kudos to you for staying, but you guys got ran over anyway. So what’s the story about? You are doing this to us every other minute and you come out to cry just because you are on the receiving end for once? I expected more class from AWE, maybe its too much to ask

Did you type this from the repair merchant?

With the current PvE chain of events, just PvE for 45 min or 1.5 hours and spend the rest of the days WvW-ing.

Your passion is in WvW but you need to fund that passion/hobby and PvE is the solution to that.

Contiguous.1345:

I’m genuinely sorry. That’s what we call youthful optimism. Eventually, real life will knock it out of you.

We don’t get to do something because it looks like a fun or even useful thing to do. Most people have to actually struggle to stay alive and feed themselves and their family.
I know you don’t believe that, yet. But you will.

Why does working as a programmer not keep them alive, feed them and their family? Anet doesn’t pay their devs?

Klawlyt.6507:

Just because they’re hiring doesn’t mean they’re short staffed. Every business has some degree of turnover, and having an “always-hiring” policy is one tool to keep your staff motivated.

Not trying to be a kitten, but anyone who could do that job probably either already has it, at ANet or elsewhere, or is trying to break into the industry already. It’s just not terribly likely there’s a programmer sitting at home reading the forums who will see your post and say, “Woah… I really COULD go work at ArenaNet.”

I know what you mean, I just meant that they are hiring and the short-staffed part is really just inference. I understand the “always hiring” policy and how it works, but imagine having a team of 4, whereas the other department has a team of 20 and every day you face thousands of complaints about the same thing over and over, you’re putting time into trying to program something that’ll work for everybody, but your team is small. I don’t think that’s really motivating though.

It might be a slim chance or close to none, but if it can incept that idea into 3 or 5 people out of a possible thousand who reads this, and out of the 3-5, 1 actually gets in… Why not? Sometimes all people need is just a little push. I will remain optimistic in this aspect.

Klawlyt.6507:

You do realize that NCSoft and by extension ANet, already employ roughly the number of people they’d like to? If the WvW team is short staffed, it’s by choice, not because ANet just can’t find talented people.

I just checked the Anet website, as per lordkrall’s advice and true enough I found there to be open recruitment for positions such as “Server Programmer”, “Game Designer”, “Gameplay Programmer”, so I don’t think their current manpower is their maximum.

I don’t have a quote but I do remember reading that PvE devs who step into WvW sometimes have no idea what is happening or what truck hit them when a zerg/blob rolls over them, running 5-signet warrior or whatsoever, so I do believe that the WvW development team is very much separated and possibly segregated from the other develepment teams. Which leads to my conclusion that the WvW team is short-staffed and thus it being better if more people considered actually joining the development team! Obviously they would be unable to blatantly put out a recruitment message in a forum like this, but the fact is:

1) They are recruiting. (http://www.arena.net/#careers)
2) They are short-staffed.
3) There are a lot of complaints to deal with, which possibly means lots of pending game changes and projects but not enough people working on it = slow updates.

That makes the ideal solution to have more people working with their team, right?

lordkrall.7241:

Of course. But you made it sound like every single person that knows WvW can simply go into ArenaNets office and start working on changes in WvW.
It would take MONTHS to even get into the code and start doing changes to it. Since the it would require quite some time to learn the code, learn the practices and such.

One also have to understand that people on these forums see things one way (and most likely in a way that makes stuff better for them personally) while ArenaNet needs to look at the game-mode as a whole.

I didn’t actually suggest anything of that nature, but that surely among the thousands (or even tens of thousands) of people who play GW2 for the WvW, there would be a few that has the ability or knowledge to actually help be part of the potential game-changing tweaks, right? And I wasn’t even suggesting they do it for free or on a voluntary basis, but as a job. Surely when you have threads with hundreds of replies complaining about a wide range of things (or even different threads with hundreds of replies asking for the same changes), it would make some sense to inject more manpower into that department (in this case, WvW).

lordkrall.7241:

You do know that it requires quite a bit more than “knowing WvW” in order to become a developer right?
Developing (especially something that isn’t new) is a rather major feat and far from all can do it.

Heck I studied system development for 2 years and I have yet to learn even close to enough to take on projects of this size.

Surely what we do in our future career will be of a different scale as compared to the specimens and examples we study while schooling. But once you’ve entered the industry it’ll just be a learning curve for you, right? Wouldn’t you consider it at all?

I’m sure that among all the thousands of players here, there would be some who can take on the magnitude of programming that some changes need in order to be implemented?

Contiguous.1345:

That’s just a taunt.

Many of the people playing this game are professional geeks of one type or another who would LOVE the opportunity to work in this field. Few will ever get the chance.

It’s economics, not motivation that decides such matters.

It’s not, it is the reality of how people who love this game so much can actually contribute to making the gameplay so much better for everyone.

A lot of WvW hardcore players put in a lot of time in sentrying/scouting/providing lots of detailed feedback and suggestions into WvW, and I feel that your efforts and creativity could be put to better use!

As has been mentioned before, the GW2 crew that handles WvW content is low on manpower, compared to the PvE and possibly PvP side, so have any of you actually considered becoming a developer/programmer/designer for the WvW team?

I can think of some benefits:
1. You who have played WvW a lot, will know about how changes affect meta and can put into place the best changes that will positively impact the WvW experience across all tiers of WvW
2. You know what are the obvious things that need to be removed to make WvW a more challenging yet non-grindy, zergy environment.
3. You know what kind of events to create, what kind of WxP system should be in place to ensure that there is a good battleground for 1v1s, roaming 5v5s, guild group 20-25s.
4. You can help with the implementation of the GvG system which so many people are calling out for!
5. You will know what kind of NPC mobs to place in the environment that won’t become rally-bot in a big battle, and what mobs will fit into the WvW scenario in a setting befitting of Guild Wars 2 lore.
6. You help to lighten the load of the current dev team!

People from T1-T4 will have differing views about WxP levels as compared to people from T5-T8 simply because zerging makes levels easier to obtain.

Providing liquid WxP means you can play on your alt and use liquid on your main. Why would or should you be allowed to play on 1 character and benefit all your characters especially if you’re so particular about the additional power and vitality? How would the uplevel benefit from +250 vit?

In the first place the mastery were added to make WvW more interesting. If you happen to be defending on an alt without AC mastery 5, so be it. The same handicap and advantages apply to both sides in an open field fight, same if you’re fighting in a claimed structure with buffs. Go QQ about something valid like commander tags which REALLY affect gameplay.

Thesilentflute.8761:

Lol in our match up this week “GvG” caused us to lose a whole map we were wiped off of it. Yesterday during another it caused TC to lose there T3 garry because they were "GvG"ing when they had the people to defend it on that map.

Rednick don’t say your one of those guys because if you were you wouldn’t be ok with destroying your own work and further more if you are a real wvw you know that these changes can change the outcome of a wvw match up delegitimizing your effort; if you guys manage to ever win again.

Lastly the only thing I and most other people asked for was for you guys to do your kill trading on reset day after the match was already decided so it wouldn’t have these negative effects is that so hard but you jerks refuse and want to crap all over the real wvw hard work.

Don’t be ridiculous. If BG and SoR want our T3 anything, they will freaking get it with their map zergs.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND IT’S UP!!

Burl.9567:

Achilles.2197:

Staff eles can survive pretty well…

They have a ton of kiting abilities that can be cast behind/below them while running. Cantrips help too, of course.

No one is disputing their lengthy ability to survive. They aren’t winning a 1v1 though. They don’t have the DPS to do it.

I 1v1-ed a staff ele (with my staff ele) once.. The fight took so long that the 5-min Righteous Indignation timer cooled off after I downed him..

Nobody gets to complain about outmanned but TC! And we don’t complain cos we like no repair bills :p

Great fights in EBG! Can TC take a break now? SoR vs BG please!

Odinzu.9645:

/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised/surprised

Get some sleep Odin :p

It’s time…

I specially request that BG and SoR SEA crew take a maximum of 1 queued map to be spread amongst the 3 BLs. You can have EBG, provided I get to choose who stays on the BLs! If you have a green arrow next to your level you automatically qualify to fight against us from server time 5am to 9am :p the bigger the arrow the better ^^

Witnessed in EBG:

walks yak from Speldan to SMC
2 [Ge] come and snipe it!

“Hey we need help walking yaks!”

party of 4 walks yak from Speldan to SMC
5 [Ge] come and snipe it! $&*(&(

“We need help! REALLY NOW!”

group of 8 walks yak from Pangloss to SMC
Same 5 [Ge] comes and tries to snipe, we kill them! Yak makes it into SMC /cheer

“Hmm, yaks from Pangloss seem easier.. Let’s give up Speldan yaks”
“OK.”

Same group of 8 walks yak from Pangloss
“HOLY kitten RUN THE ZERG IS HERE!!”

Yak dies, JQ invader laughs. Gg.

;_;

junhan.8192:

Lanimal.6541:

Wait ATM is going to join MERC, WM and ND?

O.O! What I know is, we log in everyday under the server name call Jade Quarry and fight under the server name call Jade Quarry.

This is a fresh match up for us, we really do enjoy it. Its been awhile since my boss stay up so late on weekdays to fight, thank you so much TC <3 and ya.. Omega is my boss new toy.. Once he start playing it, he cannot stop.. Hehe

TC really lives up to its name of being Zombie Coast, really respectable. Not forgetting FA, you guys rock too!

Singaporean spotted! hi hi!

The pride of a queued map zerg.. Never thought I’d see chest thumping like this :O

Neophyte.4985:

Fuzzion.2504:

Score Update with my new celestial color scheme and ascended gear(yes finally)

Oh God JQ, your SEA time… it hurts… poor FA.

Hey your own TC-ers could use some lube too..

It hertz.

SlothBear.9846:

TC and JQ seem pretty even population wise.

NO WAY.

-SEA Timezone player

Would love to see Bronze Assaulter commander uplevelled running around… Lol.

Charlie.5680:

I’m gonna need you to explain something, TC. You were attacking Durios a moment ago, I was using an arrowcart near the stairs in front of the gate and was shooting the gate, how the hell did you hit me with an arrowcart?

Nice glitch.

How is this still an issue..? I thought we have been through this a lot :p

Why? is this the new meta now?

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/history/39

/notroll

Just curious, what happened to FA? Before week 25, the end-week scores between TC and FA was much closer than in more recent matchups. Did you guys lose transfers or something?

Lukrath.6982:

KStudios.2850:

urak.4863:

Fight club at TCBL windmill! Come!

Wasn’t much left by the time I got there, but thanks for at least posting notification. =P

lol tht wasn’t the remnants of a fight club I was just dueling someone xD

There was this EBay guardian who was fighting 1v1s for fun and attracted around 10 TC-ers! 2 more Ebay-ers came and it became 3v3s for a while then we abandoned to rescue a tower :P

Fight club at TCBL windmill! Come!

Dance lessons in TCBL

;_;

Not sure what to do when servers in our matchup constantly calls us a blob. What are we supposed to do? Keep track of the number of people in a zerg and decide to leave if it goes beyond a certain number? During SEA prime, SoS also rolls in a giant blob and wipes the TC group in every head-on collision, and easily outnumbers us 2:1, but you don’t see us coming here and QQ-ing about being outnumbered, etc. Why can’t you just play your best, more fights less whine? It’s ;_; to read about your wins/losses against superior numbers, over and over and over again….

Ezeriel.9574:

^ yeah that’s standard thief gameplay, and just what I would do on mine.

but the stuff I’ve been seeing today… there’s no way for a person to legitimately to do the stuff they’ve been doing.

Man, you really should fraps set up for this.. Nobody wants to read back and forth texts about something that can’t be proven. -_-

PAGamer.4072:

Grieve.1432:

Anyways, when and where is Dolyak Parade going to take place? I promise I won’t crash the party.

Oh, and unless the Dolyak Parade conflicts there will be a planned fight night Thursday night at 6pm Server Time. The map is tbd.

Snip.

Be careful of this guy!

Altie.4571:

PS. if we ever fight TC again (and we just might because nothing can stop the death star) I’m going to troll the dolyak parade so hard!

He said it more than once (in his post history) so be careful :P

JakobGW.5730:

TC:

We just took the south camp on your borderlands again. Please send more than 15 to take it this time. We would like a challenge.

Edit: 8-10 [Toon] and some [KH] just came. We wiped them. I said to bring more than 15 guys. 10 is not enough.

Edit: Well, thanks for coming back with 15+. We did kill about 5 of you, but we were overrun. All six of us still have all our bloodlust stacks though.

You should quote yourself each time you do an update, it’ll be more amusing for us to read

shanmugong.6750:

For some reason, I feel that TC is tracking our guild. No matter where we go, from helping SOS to flip their keeps back, defending our BL to wrecking havoc at TCBL, a super Zerg with familiar tags will materialize shortly after and run over our small 30 men team. Maybe I am just paranoid!!

I’m pretty sure it’s 2 different groups who happened to port to different WPs though.. And since your group was one of the bigger roaming zergs, we were the response teams!

Reiko.1560:

Brom Malochson.9306:

Reiko.1560:

Brom Malochson.9306:

If you guys would stop bickering about who’s more loyal to their server and just move to wherever would benefit you most, instead of putting up with frustration, then you’d have a lot more fun. (Whether that advice is good or bad is all opinion)

I really couldn’t care less about people moving servers anymore. Rant of the week for me are people who suddenly think they’re hot kitten this week just because they outnumber their matchups so they start handing out advice but couldn’t do jack kitten when they were getting smashed by a server that outnumbered them last week.

I’m not going to defend TC here, but here’s a tidbit from our perspective. In our times with FA and DB we made some friendly rivalries. We held GvG zergs and commander vs commander matches while our zergs sat behind and watched. This was friendly competition; while it is condescending to try to tell a server how to play WvW, from a certain perspective it can also be seen as an attempt to build up friendly rivalries like we’re already used to seeing.

You’ll notice that we also strongly encourage and applaud servers who never back down, who keep trying even against seemingly impossible odds.

The endgame for TC in these situations is one goal: fun competiton.

I don’t care who does but it’s usually the winning server that does it, mine included. Frankly, I just find it annoying and wish those people would just kitten off.

:( not trying to be the guy who “was getting stomped last week and start dishing advice out this week” but CD groups generally feel squishy whenever we engage. We learnt from SoR to have MOAR PVT and for the benefit of CD WvW, also pass on that advice! SoR stomped us last week and aren’t doing THAT well this week too..

It’s just a game, why so much hard feelings? ;_;

In the end we’ll all be traitors because we’ll leave GW2 for other MMOs or other non-gaming aspects of life.