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Guild Wars 2 is following the traditional business model of mmorpgs in charging for an expansion. If it is pay to win then all the MMOs out there that charge for an expansion are pay to win also. Many of the MMOs that are f2p are games that tried subscriptions/paid expansions and couldn’t make it with that business model. They used to charge, but the money wasn’t there for them so they had to switch to f2p.
Paid expansions are the way its been done for years. We don’t agree with you because we don’t want a f2p cash shop game but a game where the business model is expansion based. When we bought the game, that’s what we were expecting to get, and got. Again, if you’re not comfortable with it there are a lot of f2p games out there for you. Since it’s not going to change, you should play another game as your primary and if you still want to play this game, as a secondary, vanilla maps only. So, no need for you to hang around as this is not the game for you. Have fun in your f2p cash shop funded game.
you’re wrong the game’s business model is already changing P2P games and B2P are already agonizing, the base game has already been released for free because the B2P business model is no longer making a profit this is only the first step, if it continues in the future this game will become B2P2W, because money always speaks louder.
And speedyfox you say that games like TERA are a lot more fair, it just show how ignorant you are. In TERA if you dont spend money its just almost impossible to get an item to +15, and a +15 item just boost your damage by an insane margin, so yeah not p2w at all, and you can spend real money to buy cash itens sell, and buy all the top itens, really fair.
GW2 just follow GW1 bussines model, its by far the less p2w game out there. All other you need to pay a monthly fee or if its f2p there dozen of things you can spend cash that boost you ( premiun account its the most common) all the things you dont see here. So just quit gw2, its not f2p anyway, not p2w, its just b2p as it always has been
I think the problem it is not the TERA, the problem is you it is not difficult to place an item + 15 it just takes time, everything that has in TERA store has in GW2 store too, items to boost xp, karma, gold , items to change appearance, clothing, name, endless tools to gather materials, items to increase space in the inventory etc .., you are so blind trying to defend this game that you do not even sees the the cash shop, but I’m not complaining about the GW2 store I agree that they have to make money somehow, I’m complaining that they are forcing you to buy the new expansion to gain access to new skills, I will not waste my time with you I’m sure everyone who argue at least already bought the expansion and will try to defend it no matter how.
Every other mmo raises the lvl cap with it’s expansion making anyone who buys the expansion 10 times stronger then someone who doesn’t, yet you never hear anyone mention pay to win, people think it’s normal. GW2 doesn’t do this, for very good reason, and then it’s somehow ok to expect perfect balance, because otherwise the game is pay to win?
Who are we kidding here?It appears Speedyfox has only played free to play games before where the expansion was given to him for free. He’s never played any of the subscription or buy to play games where the player has to buy the expansion. He thinks what he is used to is the normal state of affairs for MMOs.
Yes i have never bought a game in which I have to pay to be something, if you are used to be exploited i cant do anything for you but I do not accept that, the first thing I see in a game is if I can have access to everything with my own effort, if not I go to another game, afterward I open my wallet, I do not know what it was like in GW1 or any other B2P game and it does not interest me, the purpose of GW2 was exactly that and has been for three years.
I would like to leave my last considerations on this topic, those who purchase the HoT expansion will have access to at least 10 new skills (10 new ways to deal damage) 5 new weapon skills and 5 new utility skill and will also have access to at least 12 new traits every new trait can change in many ways how your skills works, it can reduce the recharging time of skills or add new skills effects not only in new skills but the old skills too, or change your status adding power, precision, ferocity, etc. I dont know how this can not be an advantage, from my point of view this is not just an advantage it is a great advantage that will create a great abyss between paying players and not paying players, if providing new and efficient ways of killing only to paying players is no advantage so I dont know what is, for the one who is reading this message sorry for the long text I hope you understand what I’m saying thank you.
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yes. like every game you can buy is. You cannot win it if you don´t buy it.
seriously, this place is on the fast train through the rabbit hole…
I bought the game and want to play with equality, I’m complaining about having to pay for new skills it will unbalance the game and will transform the game in P2W, this was not the proposal of the game when it was released and remained so for 3 years,
now I feel deceived…You’ve said you’ve played games before yet the concept of espansions having new skills is new to you. Perhaps you can tell us what MMOs you’ve played where the expansion did not make the characters stronger in some way, by increased levels or new skills or stronger old skills.
on the contrary, every game I played already launched expansions but never charged money for skills or new characters, some of which previously had monthly fees are now free to play and continue to release expansions without charging money for maps, skills and characters, of them all the one who had the most abusive cash was Rohan and for this reason i stopped playing it
Lineage 2, Aion, RF Online, Requiem, R.O.H.A.N, TERA Online
these are the ones I remember now.
all expansions, f2p or buy to play, have new skills or levels.
but do not charge for it, I said I’ve never seen a game charging for skills, and that’s what ArenaNet is doing, for all I know so far to use the new specializations (reaper, berserker, daredevil, Chronomancer…) you have to buy the expansion HoT, or am I wrong?
ALL MMO expansions, f2p or b2p, have increased abilities/skills/levels on their chars. The f2p ones don’t charge you but the games where you have to buy the expansions do. If you were playing f2p games, then no, you didn’t get charged, because they get their money another way. This is a b2p game. Its business model is, you must buy the expansion to get the new abilities.
then the GW2 community will have one player less, and as soon as the F2P players find out even less, because I refuse to pay to get advantage over the others. as I said I accept to pay to get access to new maps, new armor, weapons and other things, but pay to get advantage is unfair, pay to get access to skills and traits is unfair, not only to the F2Players, but also with those who do not intend to buy the Expansion.
Well, goodbye. Have fun in your f2p game then.
I think I’ll go back to the TERA atleast all people are treated as equal there and what counts is the ability not the money and the most abusive cash they sell are outfits , shame that I can not ask for a refund for the Game and the cash spent for 3 years…
yes. like every game you can buy is. You cannot win it if you don´t buy it.
seriously, this place is on the fast train through the rabbit hole…
I bought the game and want to play with equality, I’m complaining about having to pay for new skills it will unbalance the game and will transform the game in P2W, this was not the proposal of the game when it was released and remained so for 3 years,
now I feel deceived…You’ve said you’ve played games before yet the concept of espansions having new skills is new to you. Perhaps you can tell us what MMOs you’ve played where the expansion did not make the characters stronger in some way, by increased levels or new skills or stronger old skills.
on the contrary, every game I played already launched expansions but never charged money for skills or new characters, some of which previously had monthly fees are now free to play and continue to release expansions without charging money for maps, skills and characters, of them all the one who had the most abusive cash was Rohan and for this reason i stopped playing it
Lineage 2, Aion, RF Online, Requiem, R.O.H.A.N, TERA Online
these are the ones I remember now.
all expansions, f2p or buy to play, have new skills or levels.
but do not charge for it, I said I’ve never seen a game charging for skills, and that’s what ArenaNet is doing, for all I know so far to use the new specializations (reaper, berserker, daredevil, Chronomancer…) you have to buy the expansion HoT, or am I wrong?
ALL MMO expansions, f2p or b2p, have increased abilities/skills/levels on their chars. The f2p ones don’t charge you but the games where you have to buy the expansions do. If you were playing f2p games, then no, you didn’t get charged, because they get their money another way. This is a b2p game. Its business model is, you must buy the expansion to get the new abilities.
then the GW2 community will have one player less, and as soon as the F2P players find out even less, because I refuse to pay to get advantage over the others. as I said I accept to pay to get access to new maps, new armor, weapons and other things, but pay to get advantage is unfair, pay to get access to skills and traits is unfair, not only to the F2Players, but also with those who do not intend to buy the Expansion.
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no, it isn’t. Pay-to-win is more like having an ingame-shop with items that give you big advanteges in the game, like stats that are much better for example.
GW2 HoT is just pay-to-play. But that was always the case with expansions.
yes it is P2W, the new skills and traits give various status of advantage for those who pay for them.
yes. like every game you can buy is. You cannot win it if you don´t buy it.
seriously, this place is on the fast train through the rabbit hole…
I bought the game and want to play with equality, I’m complaining about having to pay for new skills it will unbalance the game and will transform the game in P2W, this was not the proposal of the game when it was released and remained so for 3 years,
now I feel deceived…You’ve said you’ve played games before yet the concept of espansions having new skills is new to you. Perhaps you can tell us what MMOs you’ve played where the expansion did not make the characters stronger in some way, by increased levels or new skills or stronger old skills.
on the contrary, every game I played already launched expansions but never charged money for skills or new characters, some of which previously had monthly fees are now free to play and continue to release expansions without charging money for maps, skills and characters, of them all the one who had the most abusive cash was Rohan and for this reason i stopped playing it
Lineage 2, Aion, RF Online, Requiem, R.O.H.A.N, TERA Online
these are the ones I remember now.
all expansions, f2p or buy to play, have new skills or levels.
but do not charge for it, I said I’ve never seen a game charging for skills, and that’s what ArenaNet is doing, for all I know so far to use the new specializations (reaper, berserker, daredevil, Chronomancer…) you have to buy the expansion HoT, or am I wrong?
yes. like every game you can buy is. You cannot win it if you don´t buy it.
seriously, this place is on the fast train through the rabbit hole…
I bought the game and want to play with equality, I’m complaining about having to pay for new skills it will unbalance the game and will transform the game in P2W, this was not the proposal of the game when it was released and remained so for 3 years,
now I feel deceived…You’ve said you’ve played games before yet the concept of espansions having new skills is new to you. Perhaps you can tell us what MMOs you’ve played where the expansion did not make the characters stronger in some way, by increased levels or new skills or stronger old skills.
on the contrary, every game I played already launched expansions but never charged money for skills or new characters, some of which previously had monthly fees are now free to play and continue to release expansions without charging money for maps, skills and characters.
Lineage 2, Aion, RF Online, Requiem: Rise of the Reaver, TERA Online
these are the ones I remember now.
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yes. like every game you can buy is. You cannot win it if you don´t buy it.
seriously, this place is on the fast train through the rabbit hole…
I bought the game and want to play with equality, I’m complaining about having to pay for new skills it will unbalance the game and will transform the game in P2W, this was not the proposal of the game when it was released and remained so for 3 years,
now I feel deceived…
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Didn’t Guild Wars 1 have new professions with new skills and new skills for old professions in its campaigns? Those chars could cross over to the old lands with their new skills.
Have you even played other expansions from other games? Are you going to say that none of them gave expansion owners new abilities?
http://wow.gamepedia.com/World_of_Warcraft:_Warlords_of_Draenor_class_changes
Bonus system added that rewards players with powerful perks as they level up to the new cap. At every level from 91 to 100, characters will earn a major permanent boost to one of their their key spells and abilities (e.g. a Fire mage might earn a +50% damage boost to [Pyroblast] or +30% boost to [Scorch]). Players will also unlock a new talent tier once they’ve achieved level 100, rewarding each class with three potent new abilities to choose fromSounds like new abilities or skills to me to me that you only get if you buy the expansion.
i dont like wow, and I do not intend to play it, I think it is exploitation you have to buy the game, pay a monthly fee and still pay more to get access to more content, so I bought GW2, I was willing to pay for an expansion, new maps, new bosses, new equipment, but I never imagined that they would charge more money to take advantage in PVP if you think that the specializations will not give any advantage then you are very naive, equipment does not make difference in PVP, but skills and traits i assure you that makes, I paid for the base game and I’m complaining … I imagine when the free players realize that the HoT players have certain advantages in pvp …
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You should try a real pay to win game. I’ve played them. No fun getting stomped by much more powerful enemies with no way of competing.
I want to see you trying to kill a reaper with a necromancer or daredevil with a thief for example, they have everything you have and even more, they are not new professions they are the old professions improved, they’re going to have new ways to fight back and kill you.
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The new specializations will not only be a visual change, along will come modifications in status with traits and powerful new skills, paying for it it is the same or even worse to pay for a premium buff or a premium weapon, the one who has paid will be able to use skills against you which you will only have access paying, i already played many free games and already saw many abusive cash stores but it’s the first time i see a game charging real money for skills, i paid for this game when it launched and i spent money with gems not much but i spent… i do not intend to pay the price of a full game in an expansion and i find it disrespectful to those who bought the game and spent money on cash during these years, I even understand that the Revenant is part of the expansion I’m not complaining about it, but it’s ridiculous to have to pay for new skills in characters we already have, after seeing the beta I have no doubt that the paid specializations will unbalance the game.
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my brother is having trouble with his account, his account was suspended a few days ago he sent a ticket and they responded with the following message "Hello,
Thank you for contacting NCsoft Account Support.
I am escalating your ticket to a senior member of the Payment Support Team to assist you further Top. Someone will be in contact with you as soon as the issue Has Been fully reviewed.
Thank you for your patience,
Alec
NCsoft Customer Support "
a few days ago and until now he had not answer the ticket was sent on 11.29.2012 and to make matters worse he can not access the forum the message “Login Error: You have not the access to Guild Wars 2.” appears I know he is not a hacker or spammer we play together and he does not understand much English and already has more than 3 days I had to get into my account to send his ticket.
ticket number: 121128-002636
GW2 Display Name: Sagara.8567