Guild Wars 2

Usagi.4835:

Note I didn’t say it was overpowered, but it is very strong.

There is nothing inherently ‘strong’ in a PU build. The build’s ‘strength’ is determined by the skill level/ actions of the opponent.

Usagi.4835:

The problem is that it’s now erring on the side of overpowered because of, what I think, is good damage/pressure and good sustain/disengage, which isn’t even needed because PU mesmers have so much stealth, they just reposition for the next condi burst.

What condition burst? Can you please elaborate? Does PU “good damage/pressure and good sustain/disengage” apply to dolyaks? Do dolyaks kill less clones and thereby feel less pressured by PU Mez? Are dolyaks OP?

Usagi.4835:

ALL builds need skill against good players, not just PU. And it was kind of redundant to ask people to check their combat logs (if you’re referring to PU condi mesmers), since condi ticks don’t show up there which I’m sure you know.

Why was it redundant? Did I ask more than once? Do you know how PU Mez ‘condi ticks’ are applied?

void sendopponent2forums() {
// the “if” clause: PU is too easy to play
if (PU requires no skill ){
// the “then” clause: opponent is less-skilled
opponent activates skills as they come off cool-down—;
}
}

Is Pyroatheist a programmer?

Usagi.4835:

It’s kind of silly to also claim that whining on the forums is a good metric for separating the good and bad players; just because you don’t agree, there’s no need to invalidate someone else’s opinion.

If I don’t agree that whining on the forums is good, am I invalidating your opinion?

Interesting… particularly since a PU Mesmer has no dps. For those of you who loose to PU Mesmer’s regularly; What is it that kills you?

Check your combat log and advise the rest of us on what skills contribute to your death. Is it similar to a CB /Cyclone/100B/WW combo? Perhaps a Toolkit pull/Grenade Barrage/Blunderbuss combo? Or a Cry of Frustration/Mirror Images/Mind Wrack? The aforementioned combos can dole out dps in the quadruple and quintuple digits. Does a PU Mesmer have a sextuple digit dps combo? Did I avoid it?

Is it PU itself? From my usage of PU it increases my invisibility by 1 sec and gives ‘A’ random boon… but what do I know? Perhaps your combat log reads XXX hits you for 7000 using Prismatic Understanding… What skill(s) does a PU Mesmer have that kills you?

The PU Mesmer’s I’ve come across use scepter 3 and scepter 1 (is this the skill that’s killing you?). They occasionally stick their arm out to block… (do you repeatedly hit their arm while they’re blocking?). And, sure, they may drop a Chaos Storm… do you stand in it for long periods of time? Can you move? Or, they may use a pistol and drop a duelist… Is pistol 4 OP? Does iDuelist unload on you too frequently?

I’ve heard that Crippling / Debilitating Dissipation may be a tad OP… but that would imply that you’re killing lots of clones. Do you find yourself crippled a lot and with tons of weakness when you fight PU Mesmer’s? Are you a clone killer? How does a PU Mesmer ‘actively watch’ their conditions (i.e. weakness)? Is it watching you kill clones? How do they actively manage confusion? Are you not a participant? You don’t want to participate in damaging yourself but it’s unavoidable?

What OP skill or combo does a PU Mesmer have? I’ve checked my combat log after every encounter I’ve had with a PU Mez and honestly, there is nothing that I’ve found particularly noteworthy. They use iMage and then depending on preference, either iDuelist or iWarlock. Is iMage the new iZerker? Should iMage dps be toned down?

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Really don’t want this to devolve into a petty squabble. But srsly for the uninitiated to WvW…. check out the comment by Strill about all the safe zones that surrounds one in WvW and it’s telling… the dude either has very limited experience outside of ‘Guild night at Stonemist’ or spends very little time in WvW.

I can assure you Strill: with 24 supply camps, 24 towers, 12 keeps and 1 Stonemist castle… opportunities for non-consensual pvp happen aplenty… my cup runneth over more often than not.

@ Cake

Easy dude… just trying to convey that one need only to perform a search and a wealth of info is just waiting to gobble regarding Mesmer burst. Text for you scholarly types or moving images (I just like moving images!).

kk

1. I don’t believe I once mentioned a ‘bunker build’. I’m talking kitten of the face burst!

2. If you watch any of the vids of the players I mentioned: NOT ONE usees a ‘bunker build’… WAT R U TALKIN BOUT hmmm?

3. As to the weaknesses of the GS… let’s leave Easymode to extrapolate on that… much more credible than yourselfs…(no offense).

4.Utilizing utlities… Murdering Seige equipment!! Important stuffs in WvWvW!!!….zzzzz snoozing hard dude. I get it your a support specialist. Great! now pickup a staff and really support.

Edit to add:

@ Strill

Tell me about it! nothing better than consective kills while camping enemy realms entry because they ‘think’ they’re ‘safe’. haha… that is unless YOU ARE entering with your 5 bossum buddies. And if that is the case… stay grouped and stay safe.

And you obviously have not view the vids or are cluless. What makes the staff more ‘bursty’ are:

A. it’s clone generating ability is unparalled for mesmer weapons

B. The only shatter more bursty than a: phantasm of choice + dodge + sword 3 + sword 3 + sword 2 + F1 + mirror image + F2….

is one with Chaos Amour thrown in for tickles.

@Wads

If you think an SPvP / TPvP build is in anyway ‘different’ then the build you use when your in WvWvW you either:

A. Are a complete noob to PvP
B. ONLY WvWvW at ALL times with your 5 best bedroom buddies / guildes.

When kitten is thick in WvWvW and that thief just mugged you / you just jumped from that tower / keep that’s just been taken and are trying to hightail it to friendly turf. Well… better be able to cover that kitten with a 1v1 special…

And yes, rather than come to the forums and create that umpteenth thread: Warrior/ Theif hundred blades / Backstab my boo boo HELP! Sitback, calmdown and put on a Winterfell vid and watch how he pwns with a staff NAKED and take what you can from his Spvp vid and apply it to the times you will be caught pants down / by yourself in WvWvW.

Edit to Add: These staff dudes are destroying in 2v1’s and 3v1’s in Spvp where everyone has the same gear. Imagine the carnage in a 2v1 scenerio in WvWvW where the pvp is less egalitarian. haha

@Strill
Your simply incorrect regarding the burst damage one can bring with a staff. Don’t take my word for it… take the word of Xeph (TeamP), Winterfell, Flimp (gw2 guru)… these dudes don’t burst… they destroy other classes in seconds (side note: watch some of the vids floating you will see they can often match thieves in TTK).

Take note: All prefer Staff.

That said, I haven’t ruled out GS as a viable burst option. It’s just hard when Easymode is it’s only solid proponent (if Easymode is the Easymode from Rift pwning with warlock builds, I will concede that the dude knows mage class burst builds) and he hasn’t released any vids that I know of.

Really though, personally, I’m just waiting for some vids of pro players who prefer the GS. As the few I’ve seen that ‘think’ they’re pro… well they honestly don’t deserve mention. Particularly when vewied in comparison to any of the aforementioned players and what they can do with a staff.