Guild Wars 2

I like how warriors are regarded kitten OP in PVE – but I’ve never seen a high-end PVE run fail because they didn’t bring warriors.
I’ve seen them fail for not bringing guardians.

If warriors are so OP in PVE why is it that any high-level fractal or harder PVE content almost requires that you have a guardian?

Harper.4173:

I like how warriors are regarded kitten OP in PVE – but I’ve never seen a high-end PVE run fail because they didn’t bring warriors.
I’ve seen them fail for not bringing guardians.

If warriors are so OP in PVE why is it that any high-level fractal or harder PVE content almost requires that you have a guardian?

You need a guardian to give the four zerker warriors protection form spamming hammer. That is it.

azuzephyr.7280:

The build in question is FOUR signet-1 shout hambow with unknown traits.

Source; https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/JETWING-2759/showposts

I don’t like Berserk Stance… Then i slotted signet of fury

JETWING.2759:

azuzephyr.7280:

The build in question is FOUR signet-1 shout hambow with unknown traits.

Source; https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/JETWING-2759/showposts

I don’t like Berserk Stance… Then i slotted signet of fury

How can you not like 8 seconds of total immunity to conditions plus adrenaline gain?

Chaosbroker.3860:

Given how mob AI in the game works currently any discussion of a Warrior’s relative strength in PvE is sort of irrelevant since their inherent weaknesses lie in an opponent’s ability to avoid attacks.

As a side note I do tend to see “But Warriors can change their build to do pretty much anything” as a go to argument for Warriors being OP. Given the fact that A-net has said they want all classes to have viable options in any role, how does that keep coming back as an acceptable argument?

The simple fact is just that Warriors as a class are closer to that goal than other classes, and that’s a flaw with other classes rather than the Warrior itself.

All classes viable in every roll…

so Thief tanks?
Rangers… without petting zoo?
Elementalists control?

Currently warriors being OP since they can do anything is still a good argument because other classes are pigeon held into certain rolls and excluded from others. The warrior is not only able to fulfill every role, but is normally the top 1-3 in all roles while maintaining good to excellent durability.

JETWING.2759:

azuzephyr.7280:

The build in question is FOUR signet-1 shout hambow with unknown traits.

Source; https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/JETWING-2759/showposts

I don’t like Berserk Stance… Then i slotted signet of fury

Troll spotted!

Dear Anet,
Rock is op please nerf it. Paper is ok.
-Love, Scissors.

That sums this all up.

JETWING.2759:

azuzephyr.7280:

The build in question is FOUR signet-1 shout hambow with unknown traits.

Source; https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/JETWING-2759/showposts

I don’t like Berserk Stance… Then i slotted signet of fury

Not sure if srs or Troll but lets roll with it anyway.

Why are you complaining about conditions being OP when you ’don’t like’ 8 seconds of immunity to them?

From a tpvp standpoint, warrior is definately op. Why ?

- You get access to healing signet, passive (and very strong) sustain, 2 damage invulnerabilities, one for power damage, one for condis. You have insane cleansing potential, very good access to stability, high toughness and hp and thus require a sustained focus from which you can generally get out of (especially when running with an organized group).
That means, as a casual player, not needing to worry too much about incoming damage and what to dodge. As a good player, once you get good at dodging the right things and kite properly when needed, you are nearly unkillable.

Warrior’s also OP because no other class can stand on a node except a bunker guardian while a warrior is on it. If they do, they willingly tank large amounts of damage that is really hard to recover from, especially when the ennemy thief is ready to jump half hp targets.

In WvW, you have more of everything. More damage and survivability. Also warrior’s mobility is unmatched. They’re faster than thieves ! Especially out of combat when they can swap out weapons in their inventory. Warriors are generally slightly less of an issue however, as you don’t need to worry about standing on a point, thus being able to kite the warrior to death. Not guaranteed at all. IF you can out damage healing signet.

Have fun. Welcome to Warrior.

KarsaiB.9475:

From a tpvp standpoint, warrior is definately op. Why ?

- You get access to healing signet, passive (and very strong) sustain, 2 damage invulnerabilities, one for power damage, one for condis. You have insane cleansing potential, very good access to stability, high toughness and hp and thus require a sustained focus from which you can generally get out of (especially when running with an organized group).
That means, as a casual player, not needing to worry too much about incoming damage and what to dodge. As a good player, once you get good at dodging the right things and kite properly when needed, you are nearly unkillable.

Warrior’s also OP because no other class can stand on a node except a bunker guardian while a warrior is on it. If they do, they willingly tank large amounts of damage that is really hard to recover from, especially when the ennemy thief is ready to jump half hp targets.

In WvW, you have more of everything. More damage and survivability. Also warrior’s mobility is unmatched. They’re faster than thieves ! Especially out of combat when they can swap out weapons in their inventory. Warriors are generally slightly less of an issue however, as you don’t need to worry about standing on a point, thus being able to kite the warrior to death. Not guaranteed at all. IF you can out damage healing signet.

Have fun. Welcome to Warrior.

Nice summary.

Warriors are Sturdy, Strong, and Fast at the same time. All the other lowly classes can only have 1 of those at a time, so…yeah. If anyone is still thinking of Rolling Warrior, you should probably go on ahead and do it!

Shadowfall.6543:

All classes viable in every roll…

so Thief tanks?
Rangers… without petting zoo?
Elementalists control?

Currently warriors being OP since they can do anything is still a good argument because other classes are pigeon held into certain rolls and excluded from others. The warrior is not only able to fulfill every role, but is normally the top 1-3 in all roles while maintaining good to excellent durability.

Thief tanks aren’t outside the realm of imagination once you consider that a tank’s role in any game isn’t to absorb damage, it’s merely to be the centre of attention and survive.

Ranger doesn’t need to have to ditch the pet to be able to access various roles (though I agree it’d be nice to have the option without crippling yourself). What needs the major fix there is the pet AI which is tied to the rest of the NPC AI routines … which could do with a fix themselves anyway.

Elementalist control could be easily added as an option merely by allowing them access to a new weapon set some time in the future.

Yes it’s annoying to see one or two classes have access to the build diversity everyone else was promised, especially when your favourite class isn’t one of them. But it’s just not remotely likely they’re going to be able to get everyone there at the same time.

It took me 3 months of casual play to get 68 wins on my ranger for spvp, it took me 4 weeks of casual play to get the same on my warrior.

If that is t enough evidence then u clearly haven’t played Warrior

Well yea, Warriors are like the most unbalanced class I have ever seen. Whoever denies the fact that they can simply do everything has never logged into the game. Just look which profession every second person you pass uses.

Swimfan.8014:

Well yea, Warriors are like the most unbalanced class I have ever seen. Whoever denies the fact that they can simply do everything has never logged into the game. Just look which profession every second person you pass uses.

This is simply a learn to play issue. Warriors are fine where they are at, the reason why there are so many warriors is because it is a popular class in most MMOs.
I mean haven’t you seen how many warriors WoW has? I bet that at least 40% of players main warriors in most MMOs. /sarcasm

Nevermind the population count of warriors in the game, you’d be completely ignorant to think warriors aren’t massively overpowered right now.

It’s obviously a learn to play problem.

It’s clearly your fault you don’t have infinite dodges.

Why did you spec for any damage lol!, that’s made you super weak and that warrior with twice your health will still be hitting you for as much as you hit him.

Why didn’t you spec for mobility, even though your class has no access to it, look at that warrior escape, because he had the foresight to slot in a greatsword. Why didn’t you slot in that weapon which gives you infinite escapes. You don’t have one? Learn to play noob!!

Lol! learn to kite! Never mind the warrior is basically immune to slows/snares thanks to dogged march+melandru+lemongrass.

You have ranged damage, use it!!! Warriors don’t…oh they do? they have aoe effective ranged damage and access to very high single target damage? Well then….dodge noob!

You should be spamming conditions on him……oh….yes…

Well, look. Just because a warrior never has to worry about active healing and you do, it’s clearly your fault for picking your class at creation, why didn’t you pick warrior lol!!! noob!!!

Bombsaway.7198:

Warriors are extremely OP because they simply have every feature of the game that counts on them. This allows them to maintain high offense and defense at the same time.

They were supposed to melt on account of conditions, which was their known weakness at the beginning of the game. But, ANet for very good reason gave them condition cleaners because the class was too underpowered without them.

The problem is that other areas were not toned down as that was the one key weakness. So, they need a major reduction in something likely healing. A Warrior should be kill or be killed.

this is the only post i agree on because 1st i think anet give us too many condition cleaners they just make warrior as the fix for this condition meta instead of adding specific stats for condition damage not just 1 stat like poison damage , burning damage , bleeding damage etc.. i would love anet to bring back the UP warrior and re-design our stances like f1-f4 if we use defensive stances we deal less damage but we have sustain if we use offensive stances then we will have great dps just like for ele.

Shallow whine and not a single indeepth explenation. GJ

Shoryuken.9435:

Shallow whine and not a single indeepth explenation. GJ

So you just came in, vomit your whine and leave. GJ! Read the topic, if you want some constructive feedback …

Yes, warrior is for scrubs.

Rofl, warrior is a “B Student” and just “OK” kitten you casuals…

A warrior with war-horn and 20 traits can out cleanse a guardian (who apparently has a ton of condi clear) with 30 trait points, pigeon holed utilities, and soldier runes. They can also easily out heal with shouts.
They have an insane amount of CC and a lot of damage thats really bursty.
Highest HP, highest sustained self healing, 2nd to an engie for invuln up-time per minute.
Can put more bleeds/burning on targets than any other class at an insanely high rate.
Highest mobility which works amazingly well with healing signet/adrenal heal
etc.
etc.
etc.

Yes, Warrior is overpowered. The question is how overpowered are they?

For this we need to ask ourselves is the Warrior is really in a league of their own or do they compete pretty well with other classes?

I’d argue that the Warrior does have some things that could be toned down, but overall they’re in a good place.

Why? Because if we ranked the classes overall I find the Warrior to be about even with Guardians, Necromancers, Thieves, and Engineers.

Numerically speaking, on a scale from 1 to 10, I’d put Warriors at an easy 10, Guardians at a 9.5, and Necromancers, Engineers, and Thieves at a 9.

This doesn’t mean each of these classes are fine, each could use buffs (even Warriors) and their fair share of nerfs. But in relative power to one another, they’re all pretty even.

Does anyone disagree with this?

Mitsubishi Eclipsed.6732:

Dear Anet,
Rock is op please nerf it. Paper is ok.
-Love, Scissors.

That sums this all up.

Heres a better analogy.

Warriors are rock

Necro/Thieves/Mesmers/Engies are scissors

Guard/Ranger/Ele are paper

Scissors beat paper, Paper beats rock, Rock beats scissors. Until Rock hits 80 and discover healing signet. Then rock also beats paper, and would beat scissors but he can’t find scissors because scissors are invisible or waypoint. So scissors beats paper and avoids rock…and that is called balance!

#RogueCraft

Julie Yann.5379:

JETWING.2759:

azuzephyr.7280:

The build in question is FOUR signet-1 shout hambow with unknown traits.

Source; https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/JETWING-2759/showposts

I don’t like Berserk Stance… Then i slotted signet of fury

How can you not like 8 seconds of total immunity to conditions plus adrenaline gain?

Very long CD and very easy to counter…

I think the real issue is that Warrior has a very low skill floor and that the risk/reward dichotomy is essentially nonexistent.

JETWING.2759:

Very long CD and very easy to counter…

Could say the same about any invincibility skill. It still has got a better uptime than those, other than being able to actually do something while it is active.

JETWING.2759:

Julie Yann.5379:

JETWING.2759:

azuzephyr.7280:

The build in question is FOUR signet-1 shout hambow with unknown traits.

Source; https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/JETWING-2759/showposts

I don’t like Berserk Stance… Then i slotted signet of fury

How can you not like 8 seconds of total immunity to conditions plus adrenaline gain?

Very long CD and very easy to counter…

Yeah, you are weak against cripple and chill and you can be kited, oh wait …

In regards to WvW, Any class that beats you is OP. Unless it was a ranger, then you usually cut your computer off and act like you were going AFK anyways.

But yea, Everyone’s OP.

In PvE, There is no incentive to run anything but Beserker do to Max DPS, and since warrior can do that effectively, people claim OP war. I think that’s more of a design flaw that the most effective end game pve content is one role, and thats Beserkers.

Since warrior is a standard heavy class in most RPGs, they are the most attractive to players (hence #1 played class in both GW2 and GW1) and designed to less difficult to master.

Truth be told, a good player is a good player. I’ve downed a warrior with my ranger just because he/she had no inclination on how to counter/dodge etc. Spam all skills instantly which leads to being useless.

People also claim ele is very underpowered but I’ve seen certain eles be extremely good in WvW, and tear warriors to shreads.

and yea, mesmers? A good mesmer usually outplays warrior do to cooldowns

Dynnen.6405:

Mitsubishi Eclipsed.6732:

Dear Anet,
Rock is op please nerf it. Paper is ok.
-Love, Scissors.

That sums this all up.

Heres a better analogy.

Warriors are rock

Necro/Thieves/Mesmers/Engies are scissors

Guard/Ranger/Ele are paper

Scissors beat paper, Paper beats rock, Rock beats scissors. Until Rock hits 80 and discover healing signet. Then rock also beats paper, and would beat scissors but he can’t find scissors because scissors are invisible or waypoint. So scissors beats paper and avoids rock…and that is called balance!

#RogueCraft

You know your trolling when you put mesmer and thief in the scissors category for a warrior.

This how I play my warrior alt (and still get through things)…
Requires a lot of speed, hand dexterity, and brain power…
OP? Nah… don’t touch em… my alt needs to be easy

Antara.3189:

In regards to WvW, Any class that beats you is OP. Unless it was a ranger, then you usually cut your computer off and act like you were going AFK anyways.

But yea, Everyone’s OP.

In PvE, There is no incentive to run anything but Beserker do to Max DPS, and since warrior can do that effectively, people claim OP war. I think that’s more of a design flaw that the most effective end game pve content is one role, and thats Beserkers.

Since warrior is a standard heavy class in most RPGs, they are the most attractive to players (hence #1 played class in both GW2 and GW1) and designed to less difficult to master.

Truth be told, a good player is a good player. I’ve downed a warrior with my ranger just because he/she had no inclination on how to counter/dodge etc. Spam all skills instantly which leads to being useless.

People also claim ele is very underpowered but I’ve seen certain eles be extremely good in WvW, and tear warriors to shreads.

and yea, mesmers? A good mesmer usually outplays warrior do to cooldowns

I am not the best player in the world, but I’m pretty good on Mesmer can win nearly all 1v1 fights and even 1 vs many if the players suck. I also do ok on my thief and recently I started running a war in WvW, just because I fancied a change, guess what…i’m good on that too. It doesn’t make that profession OP, I understand game mechanics, know what classes do what, I know that the thief that just stealth near me will be coming in for a BS, so I prepare for it. I look at peoples buff bars to get an idea of whether they are using conditions etc… etc..

Knowledge of your profession and other professions and what they can do will make you a GOOD player, it will make you look like your OP on certain professions, when in fact you have just taken the time to work out how to be good and how to counter other professions.

Not everyone takes the time to do this and it’s the majority of these players who come to the forums and complain. CASUAL players rule GW2 not skilled ones.

Dalanor.5387:

Shoryuken.9435:

Shallow whine and not a single indeepth explenation. GJ

So you just came in, vomit your whine and leave. GJ! Read the topic, if you want some constructive feedback …

Yes, because if you haven’t notice. This was one of 3 threads on first page, that was exactly the same as the next one.

Everyone think’s there spec should beat any other spec in the game. And when it doesn’t something has to be nerfed because it can’t be that players fault.

Solori.6025:

Dynnen.6405:

Mitsubishi Eclipsed.6732:

Dear Anet,
Rock is op please nerf it. Paper is ok.
-Love, Scissors.

That sums this all up.

Heres a better analogy.

Warriors are rock

Necro/Thieves/Mesmers/Engies are scissors

Guard/Ranger/Ele are paper

Scissors beat paper, Paper beats rock, Rock beats scissors. Until Rock hits 80 and discover healing signet. Then rock also beats paper, and would beat scissors but he can’t find scissors because scissors are invisible or waypoint. So scissors beats paper and avoids rock…and that is called balance!

#RogueCraft

You know your trolling when you put mesmer and thief in the scissors category for a warrior.

He needs to just swap all of paper for all of scissors. More fitting.

Dalanor.5387:

JETWING.2759:

Julie Yann.5379:

JETWING.2759:

azuzephyr.7280:

The build in question is FOUR signet-1 shout hambow with unknown traits.

Source; https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/JETWING-2759/showposts

I don’t like Berserk Stance… Then i slotted signet of fury

How can you not like 8 seconds of total immunity to conditions plus adrenaline gain?

Very long CD and very easy to counter…

Yeah, you are weak against cripple and chill and you can be kited, oh wait …

any warrior that doesnt have cleansing ire and a longbow is weak to cripple and chill and can be easily kited.

Seriously why bother with these threads anymore. Yes Warriors are OP. Is Anet going to ever fix that? No.

I have 6 level 80s, and warrior is one of them. In PvP I think they are relatively well balanced (which is what this game balances around, and the reason why warriors don’t get nerfed). In PvE/WvW they are ridiculously OP and are GW2 on easy mode. I bring my warrior to dungeons when I’m feeling lazy and just want to speed run without the effort of facing risk on a zerk build. I can make mistakes and get away with it, whereas my zerk thief, ele, guard, mes all will get downed if I screw up once.

So yes Warriors are almost laughably OP in PvE/WvW but Anet will never do anything about it. One of the main reasons that I’m losing interest in this game actually. I worked on my main (guard) very hard (ascended/legendary), and have since realized that I will have to be twice as good as any warrior I face if I want to beat them. And they will laugh over my corpse if I lose. And Anet just decides they are a-okay.

Simon.3794:

Dalanor.5387:

JETWING.2759:

Julie Yann.5379:

JETWING.2759:

azuzephyr.7280:

The build in question is FOUR signet-1 shout hambow with unknown traits.

Source; https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/JETWING-2759/showposts

I don’t like Berserk Stance… Then i slotted signet of fury

How can you not like 8 seconds of total immunity to conditions plus adrenaline gain?

Very long CD and very easy to counter…

Yeah, you are weak against cripple and chill and you can be kited, oh wait …

any warrior that doesnt have cleansing ire and a longbow is weak to cripple and chill and can be easily kited.

Lack of said abilities doesn’t justify the whine above. Throwing away the god mode is an honorable gesture towards the player base, but it’s just pointless.

Just now i came up against a warrior and i actually couldn’t move his health bar.

His regen out regenned my damage on my ele.

A completely no skill no brain class. The heal from signet and adrenal health is just way too much in wvw when you can use consumables and buffs from abililties.

phaeris.7604:

Just now i came up against a warrior and i actually couldn’t move his health bar.

His regen out regenned my damage on my ele.

A completely no skill no brain class. The heal from signet and adrenal health is just way too much in wvw when you can use consumables and buffs from abililties.

You mean to say that you can’t do more than 400 DPS with your Ele while access to the same foods buffs?

lol, i knew someone would come back with this.

Warriors all assume that every other class has the luxury of speccing all damage, and using food damage buffs because they have base health 20k an 2500 armour withouit even trying

This may come as a suprise, but some of us have to worry about being 2 shot by thieves and zerker warriors

phaeris.7604:

lol, i knew someone would come back with this.

Warriors all assume that every other class has the luxury of speccing all damage, and using food damage buffs because they have base health 20k an 2500 armour withouit even trying

This may come as a suprise, but some of us have to worry about being 2 shot by thieves and zerker warriors

Even with all our health and toughness we can still be 2-3 shot by thieves and zerker warriors so what’s your point?

You really believe that do you?

Thieves 2 shotting warriors, that right there is where you lose all credibility.

Julie Yann.5379:

You mean to say that you can’t do more than 400 DPS with your Ele while access to the same foods buffs?

what if that person takes Adrenal health? That could be upto 1,560 healing every 3 seconds with just Healing Signet and that one trait that is without ANY of traits or ANY gear what so ever, no weapons, no armor, nothing. Ele auto attacks aren’t exactly known for being heavy hitters.

My Ele with 500healing Power would need THREE stacks of Regen to get 168 more healing than what Warriors get with ONE trait, ONE signet and 150healing power… That is ignoring all the extra health and armor, as well as the dodges, immunities, mobility they have as well. Lets not also forget, that my Regen could be removed or corrupted and doesn’t last as long. The regen for Warriors lasts as long as they want. It will dip when they use Burst skills but it isnt exactly hard to refill that now is it…

phaeris.7604:

You really believe that do you?

Thieves 2 shotting warriors, that right there is where you lose all credibility.

Sadly, it can happen. Don’t ask how, i’m still want to know how is it even possible.

phaeris.7604:

You really believe that do you?

Thieves 2 shotting warriors, that right there is where you lose all credibility.

I might have over exagerated a bit. My point is if we don’t put any points in defense we die just as easily to zerker thieves and warriors. On my roaming build if a thieve catches me unawares or if I mess up and waste a good block or miss a burst I am dead in less than 15 seconds. If you go too much into defense you can’t expect to kill anything. Eles are in a bad place ATM moment but that doesn’t make warriors OP, it makes Eles in need of some tweaks to be a well rounded class that can fill any role like Anet promised we would get.

WilliCalifornia.1837:

I’ve been reading the forums, and from what I gathered, it seems to be the only superior class in GW2. People keep saying, “just re-roll to a warrior”

Press the easy button =Warrior

DarkAsh.4967:

WilliCalifornia.1837:

I’ve been reading the forums, and from what I gathered, it seems to be the only superior class in GW2. People keep saying, “just re-roll to a warrior”

Press the easy button =Warrior

I love how people just say “roll warrior FTW” when my WvW guild falls apart on the field cause we lack Guardians and Necros and my dungeon parties wipe cause we don’t have a good guardian and ele. I faceroll content with a lot less effort on my Guardian than my Warrior. Maybe I should start a campaign of OP Guardian plz nerf threads.

No other class in GW2 is capable of combining top survivability, top CC, top damge and top buff/debuff capabilities all in one build. I wont say the damge the warrior deals is OP, I wont say the survivability is OP, I wont even say the CC’s or the buffs are OP. I just say that the combination of all those aspects are OP. You can have your damage. But don’t claim to be tanky and specced with a hell lot of CC’s at the same time. And that’s the problem with the warrior right now.

xXxOrcaxXx.9328:

No other class in GW2 is capable of combining top survivability, top CC, top damge and top buff/debuff capabilities all in one build. I wont say the damge the warrior deals is OP, I wont say the survivability is OP, I wont even say the CC’s or the buffs are OP. I just say that the combination of all those aspects are OP. You can have your damage. But don’t claim to be tanky and specced with a hell lot of CC’s at the same time. And that’s the problem with the warrior right now.

Engineer has good mobility, good defensive tools, good aoes, good kit-ability, good aoe CC, good unblock-able CC, good team support, variation of conditions and stealth.

just saying.

ITT: A bunch of people who got killed by warriors and are mad about it and want anet to make them free kills again.

Simon.3794:

xXxOrcaxXx.9328:

No other class in GW2 is capable of combining top survivability, top CC, top damge and top buff/debuff capabilities all in one build. I wont say the damge the warrior deals is OP, I wont say the survivability is OP, I wont even say the CC’s or the buffs are OP. I just say that the combination of all those aspects are OP. You can have your damage. But don’t claim to be tanky and specced with a hell lot of CC’s at the same time. And that’s the problem with the warrior right now.

Engineer has good mobility, good defensive tools, good aoes, good kit-ability, good aoe CC, good unblock-able CC, good team support, variation of conditions and stealth.

just saying.

1. The engineer can’t offer all those aspects all together in one build
2. Isn’t the engineer considered OP in spvp?