Guild Wars 2

Like people have said it wasnt nerfed because it takes a trait slot and eles have the worst survivability out of all classes and so on like everyone said. Also because this trait + evasive arcana is a huge percentage of the utility eles bring to a group and is also what makes the class interesting to play.

Doesnt seem like it made sense to nerf guardians vigor either though, were people really complaining about that? Mesmers I dont know enough about to comment on, theyre probably in a similar state though not as bad as eles would be if this trait gets nerfed.

I mean they dont want perma vigor in game but the classes that had it, engy/guard/ele/mesmer were among least played classes to begin with, or at least compared to wars/thieves/necros.

Lucentfir.7430:

@Kyon- Most eles will always put 30 in Arcana for the boon duration, Evasive Arcana and the boon pumping with attunement swap(D/D, Staff support), and you use warrior as a comparison even though he doesn’t have access to protection :|

D/D is somewhat considered dead in PVP. TBH Elementalist itself is considered by most people as free kills in tpvp. In wvw, staff eles are mostly played.

It’s usually only D/D who goes for 30 arcana. Scepter eles go for more damage and usually stop at 5 or 10 points in Arcana. Staff eles in zergs usually go for a pure DPS build or a 0/0/20/30/20 support build for cleansing water and boon/stability sharing.

I compared it to a warrior because it’s a High HP high Armor class and the comparison can be done to any medium/heavy armor class. The point is even if you’re a medium or heavy armor class, you will need a lot less of investment in toughness items to get a decent armor stat compared to light armor classes.

Aberrant.6749:

IMO the sigil needed a nerf… not the traits… but we might also see this when they rebalance the sigils/runes.

I’m still : / about the eng 20 point investment for vigor being nerfed, although I understand that being able to go full bunker and have perma vigor is a bit much… it sucks for the non-bunker builds.

Now that Speedy Kits combo has been broken, i think they should remove the icd on Invigorating Speed.
As all the sources of Swiftness have an icd or cooldown themselves.

You could then still go for perma-vigor in combat, with swiftness-on-crit. But that means stacking precision, something a Bunker build by definition does not do. But instead helps out dps builds, who are quite squishy.

oZii.2864:

Arganthium.5638:

Once eles get back on par with other classes, then this trait should be nerfed.

Should it?

You sound confident that it should be once Ele is on par with other classes but maybe the other changes that happen including this are what put it on par with other classes. What would put elementalist on par with other classes that it’s vigor would still need to be nerfed? Just calling for nerfs is easy and happens alot on these forums.

arbitrary wall of text

Dude, you went way overboard on this.

First of all, I’m not calling for just a nerf- I’m calling for class-wide buffs that, once sufficient, can be supplemented with a single nerf.

Now, I could go on for days talking about what buffs eles need and why, but that’s way outside the scope of this discussion. Let it suffice to say that, given how good eles once were, we can assume that a single nerf to one trait will not blow them back into oblivion, especially when supplemented with buffs. There is no reason to believe that ele can’t be balanced; once we accept that it’s theoretically possible for even one class to be balanced or close to balanced, the rest of the journey is simply a matter of adjusting all other classes to that standard.