Guild Wars 2

We all know em but I think many people are confused about which ones really are actually hard counters

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Med Guard vs Thief

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Would be nice if you could explain why one spec counters another. Makes it abit easier for players that only plays one of them or none to understand what effects counter others.

Well you’re wrong already

Med Guard does not counter the entire thief class and all the thief builds
Condi Thief > Medi Guard

The best S/D thieves beat medi guards also

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We all know em but I think many people are confused about which ones really are actually hard counters

I’ll start

Med Guard vs d/d zerk Thief

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FTFY

Terror Necro > Engineer

S/D thief vs. Elementalist
Thief vs. Mesmer
Power Ranger vs. Mesmer
Med Guard vs. Warrior
Diamond Skin Elementalist vs. All pure condition builds.
Necromancer vs. Engineer
Necromancer vs. Elementalist
Moa Morph Mesmer vs. Minion Master Necromancer
Staff Elementalist vs. Turret Engineer.
Stunlock Mesmer/Warrior vs. Necromancer
Bunker/Condi Ranger vs. Thief

These are just my opinion, but I always feel like I’m at the advantage if I’m playing in these situations. :P (or disadvantage if I’m the one on the right)

Moa Morph Mesmers vs. Lich Form Necromancers

This match up is hilarious. Necromancer expects to quickly dominate a point with his final form, and the Mesmer comes in thinking By the Six, that thing is ugly. Let’s fix that. Making it into an adorable pink moa instead.

Moa vs Moa Morph Mesmers.

Mesmer lands a morph and expects the moa to run for his life or panic, only to have it come straight for him and finish him off.

Narkodx.1472:

Well you’re wrong already

Med Guard does not counter the entire thief class and all the thief builds
Condi Thief > Medi Guard

The best S/D thieves beat medi guards also

Condi thieves aren’t thieves.

Those are the kids who used GameShark back in the day.

I’m talking power thieves

p.s. SD doesn’t beat med guard when player skill is remotely close

Narkodx.1472:

Well you’re wrong already

Med Guard does not counter the entire thief class and all the thief builds
Condi Thief > Medi Guard

The best S/D thieves beat medi guards also

In a duel or in a spvp match? Between medi guard and condi thief in spvp its about even. Though a medi guard is much more useful.

Kako.1930:

S/D thief vs. Elementalist
Thief vs. Mesmer
Power Ranger vs. Mesmer
Med Guard vs. Warrior
Diamond Skin Elementalist vs. All pure condition builds.
Necromancer vs. Engineer
Necromancer vs. Elementalist
Moa Morph Mesmer vs. Minion Master Necromancer
Staff Elementalist vs. Turret Engineer.
Stunlock Mesmer/Warrior vs. Necromancer
Bunker/Condi Ranger vs. Thief

These are just my opinion, but I always feel like I’m at the advantage if I’m playing in these situations. :P (or disadvantage if I’m the one on the right)

This pretty much cover it though I disagree about stun lock wars and mesmer countering necro. Sure they could win but in 1v1 nothing really counters necro.

I would also add sf ele vs engi or any class that is really heavily dependent on projectiles.

Shaogin.2679:

Moa vs Moa Morph Mesmers.

Mesmer lands a morph and expects the moa to run for his life or panic, only to have it come straight for him and finish him off.

Quoted for truth. Happens a lot more often than people like to admit. Only thing it really counters are necro elites (since it ends all of them).

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Narkodx.1472:

Well you’re wrong already

Med Guard does not counter the entire thief class and all the thief builds
Condi Thief > Medi Guard

The best S/D thieves beat medi guards also

Condi thieves aren’t thieves.

Those are the kids who used GameShark back in the day.

I’m talking power thieves

p.s. SD doesn’t beat med guard when player skill is remotely close

Why do I feel that when you see “thief” you see “assasin”? Are you a s/d in wvw and d/p in conquest…guessing…I feel like you are very close minded…..

But no a good med guard will counter condi thief not hard tough especially in conquest. If you die to p/d rethink your play style you may not kill him but don’t die.

I play all weapon sets on thief….

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I play all weapon sets on thief….

Okay but you still seem close minded but it’s fine thief=/=assasin ….never played gw1 even if I did they change the name for a reason but that’s off-topic.

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We all know em but I think many people are confused about which ones really are actually hard counters

I’ll start

Med Guard vs Thief

You continue

Lol the typical d/d zerker thief who expects he will backstab and faceroll anything.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

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We all know em but I think many people are confused about which ones really are actually hard counters

I’ll start

Med Guard vs Thief

You continue

Lol the typical d/d zerker thief who expects he will backstab and faceroll anything.

Thief hater identified

once you’re done with all that you’re welcome to join in on the discussion of hard counters

Shaogin.2679:

Moa vs Moa Morph Mesmers.

Mesmer lands a morph and expects the moa to run for his life or panic, only to have it come straight for him and finish him off.

this has happened to me so many times, ive convinced myself moa is a buff

Sagat.3285:

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I play all weapon sets on thief….

Okay but you still seem close minded but it’s fine thief=/=assasin ….never played gw1 even if I did they change the name for a reason but that’s off-topic.

Idk where you are coming from but may I assume it’s based on my statement on condi tjieves?

If that’s the case then you obviously play one and I must apologize for your choices

From personal experience I would say mesmers get hard countered by s/d and p/d thieves.

But then again full dire p/d thieves are the scumbags of gw2, so what doesn’t counter that?

A necro is pretty helpless against a good Power Ranger.

Kako.1930:

Power Ranger vs. Mesmer

I dominate power rangers with my CI mesmer build, so I’m not quite sure where you’re getting this from.

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Sagat.3285:

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I play all weapon sets on thief….

Okay but you still seem close minded but it’s fine thief=/=assasin ….never played gw1 even if I did they change the name for a reason but that’s off-topic.

Idk where you are coming from but may I assume it’s based on my statement on condi tjieves?

If that’s the case then you obviously play one and I must apologize for your choices

I prefer p/d >d/d>p/p but the main reason I tried it was because it is the opposite of the assasin overshadow on thief we don’t have much set diversity. A p/d was the very first video of gw2 I saw randomly lol first tried build so yeah I am not ashamed of playing it but so much happen since then ^^ used to play C9.

Don’t worry I started when the present condi thief wasn’t here I was used to carrion 0 0 30 20 20 meta or not it helped me passed the time as I was leveling and discovering the game.

Wow, this thread is extremely misinformation and chalk full of mistakes. Generally in the case of folks making broad claims such as “X” professions hard counters “Y” profession. When that is not correct. Some professions builds may trump the so called “meta” builds of other professions. To claim a profession as a whole, trumps another profession as a whole, is embarrassingly misinformed.

coglin.1867:

Wow, this thread is extremely misinformation and chalk full of mistakes. Generally in the case of folks making broad claims such as “X” professions hard counters “Y” profession. When that is not correct. Some professions builds may trump the so called “meta” builds of other professions. To claim a profession as a whole, trumps another profession as a whole, is embarrassingly misinformed.

Necro vs Engi

For everyone saying warrior counters necro.

No, thats not how it works, when played at a proper level, no warrior can win against necro.

warrior counters pretty much no one.

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coglin.1867:

Wow, this thread is extremely misinformation and chalk full of mistakes. Generally in the case of folks making broad claims such as “X” professions hard counters “Y” profession. When that is not correct. Some professions builds may trump the so called “meta” builds of other professions. To claim a profession as a whole, trumps another profession as a whole, is embarrassingly misinformed.

Necro vs Engi

Engi annihilates power necros, usually. They also have a few builds that are very strong against condition necros.

Even the so-called “hardest counter in the game”…isn’t. Not on a profession level, anyway.

Does condition necro hard counter condition engi? Yes. Does Necro counter Engi? Nope.

@Simon: Hambow Warriors used to hard counter all Necro builds. They’ve since been nerfed. Still not an easy fight for the necro, but not the most difficult either.

Warriors don’t counter necros lol, they do decent vs power necros that’s about it, and they especially do not counter a terror necro.

S/D thieves don’t hard counter D/D eles either. Sure S/D thieves may eventually win after like 5-10 minutes of going back and forth, but a hard counter is when you completely shut a said class or build down. S/D thieves don’t do that. At best they are a very mild soft counter. But it isn’t an unwinnable fight by any means. Plus, an S/D thief isn’t going to fight a D/D on a node for 5 minutes straight, especially when it needs stealth to daze.

I main a Guard.
No doubt, power Thief is in no match for Guard. Often i just swing my hammer and they died in cleave without me knowing it, poor thing =/
However, Condi Thief own me so hard ><

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

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coglin.1867:

Wow, this thread is extremely misinformation and chalk full of mistakes. Generally in the case of folks making broad claims such as “X” professions hard counters “Y” profession. When that is not correct. Some professions builds may trump the so called “meta” builds of other professions. To claim a profession as a whole, trumps another profession as a whole, is embarrassingly misinformed.

Necro vs Engi

Engi annihilates power necros, usually. They also have a few builds that are very strong against condition necros.

Even the so-called “hardest counter in the game”…isn’t. Not on a profession level, anyway.

Does condition necro hard counter condition engi? Yes. Does Necro counter Engi? Nope.

@Simon: Hambow Warriors used to hard counter all Necro builds. They’ve since been nerfed. Still not an easy fight for the necro, but not the most difficult either.

Lol , we already know you don’t really have any pvp experience.

Kako.1930:

S/D thief vs. Elementalist
Thief vs. Mesmer
Power Ranger vs. Mesmer
Med Guard vs. Warrior
Diamond Skin Elementalist vs. All pure condition builds.
Necromancer vs. Engineer
Necromancer vs. Elementalist
Moa Morph Mesmer vs. Minion Master Necromancer
Staff Elementalist vs. Turret Engineer.
Stunlock Mesmer/Warrior vs. Necromancer
Bunker/Condi Ranger vs. Thief

These are just my opinion, but I always feel like I’m at the advantage if I’m playing in these situations. :P (or disadvantage if I’m the one on the right)

s/d thief v ele = wrong
med guard v warr = wrong
necro v ele = wrong
mesmer v necro = l2 dodge
stunlock v necro = wrong

here are the true HARD counters imo:
thief v mesmer
necro v engi
ele vs guardian

and thats about it

Simon.3794:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

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coglin.1867:

Wow, this thread is extremely misinformation and chalk full of mistakes. Generally in the case of folks making broad claims such as “X” professions hard counters “Y” profession. When that is not correct. Some professions builds may trump the so called “meta” builds of other professions. To claim a profession as a whole, trumps another profession as a whole, is embarrassingly misinformed.

Necro vs Engi

Engi annihilates power necros, usually. They also have a few builds that are very strong against condition necros.

Even the so-called “hardest counter in the game”…isn’t. Not on a profession level, anyway.

Does condition necro hard counter condition engi? Yes. Does Necro counter Engi? Nope.

@Simon: Hambow Warriors used to hard counter all Necro builds. They’ve since been nerfed. Still not an easy fight for the necro, but not the most difficult either.

Lol , we already know you don’t really have any pvp experience.

Apparently more than you. Have you ever played Power necro against a competent engie? One of the hardest fights you get on that build, as most engineer builds handle it with ease.

Or were you talking about Hambow Warriors having been the counter to all Necro builds at one point? Because that’s true.

The only “extreme” or obvious counters, IMO, are Thief > Mesmer, and Necro > Engi. It depends on build (condi or power, etc.) but generally speaking that tends to hold true.

Kako.1930:

S/D thief vs. Elementalist
Thief vs. Mesmer
Power Ranger vs. Mesmer
Med Guard vs. Warrior
Diamond Skin Elementalist vs. All pure condition builds.
Necromancer vs. Engineer
Necromancer vs. Elementalist
Moa Morph Mesmer vs. Minion Master Necromancer
Staff Elementalist vs. Turret Engineer.
Stunlock Mesmer/Warrior vs. Necromancer
Bunker/Condi Ranger vs. Thief

These are just my opinion, but I always feel like I’m at the advantage if I’m playing in these situations. :P (or disadvantage if I’m the one on the right)

I like it more or less. Also as an MM I hate the Moa lol. +1

Sagat.3285:

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I play all weapon sets on thief….

Okay but you still seem close minded but it’s fine thief=/=assasin ….never played gw1 even if I did they change the name for a reason but that’s off-topic.

Idk where you are coming from but may I assume it’s based on my statement on condi tjieves?

If that’s the case then you obviously play one and I must apologize for your choices

I prefer p/d >d/d>p/p but the main reason I tried it was because it is the opposite of the assasin overshadow on thief we don’t have much set diversity. A p/d was the very first video of gw2 I saw randomly lol first tried build so yeah I am not ashamed of playing it but so much happen since then ^^ used to play C9.

Don’t worry I started when the present condi thief wasn’t here I was used to carrion 0 0 30 20 20 meta or not it helped me passed the time as I was leveling and discovering the game.

PD was ezmode then as well. It has just gotten even more rediculous today.

Booms.2594:

Kako.1930:

S/D thief vs. Elementalist
Thief vs. Mesmer
Power Ranger vs. Mesmer
Med Guard vs. Warrior
Diamond Skin Elementalist vs. All pure condition builds.
Necromancer vs. Engineer
Necromancer vs. Elementalist
Moa Morph Mesmer vs. Minion Master Necromancer
Staff Elementalist vs. Turret Engineer.
Stunlock Mesmer/Warrior vs. Necromancer
Bunker/Condi Ranger vs. Thief

These are just my opinion, but I always feel like I’m at the advantage if I’m playing in these situations. :P (or disadvantage if I’m the one on the right)

s/d thief v ele = wrong
med guard v warr = wrong
necro v ele = wrong
mesmer v necro = l2 dodge
stunlock v necro = wrong

here are the true HARD counters imo:
thief v mesmer
necro v engi
ele vs guardian

and thats about it

This. Please stop with the misinformation.

The misinformation is claiming a profession hard counters another. Build effect that more then the profession. Skill level effects it further.

Good player vs bad player

Junkpile.7439:

Good player vs bad player

So true.

Also, Mesmer > MaceShGS Warrior.
Medi Guard > Power Warrior.

For me personally,

RRR condi apothecary Ranger build > everything

apart from stalemates with skilled eles and p/d thieves

Power rangers do not counter Mesmer.

and Lockdown Mesmer tends to obliterate Necro if competent.

hihey.1075:

Booms.2594:

Kako.1930:

S/D thief vs. Elementalist
Thief vs. Mesmer
Power Ranger vs. Mesmer
Med Guard vs. Warrior
Diamond Skin Elementalist vs. All pure condition builds.
Necromancer vs. Engineer
Necromancer vs. Elementalist
Moa Morph Mesmer vs. Minion Master Necromancer
Staff Elementalist vs. Turret Engineer.
Stunlock Mesmer/Warrior vs. Necromancer
Bunker/Condi Ranger vs. Thief

These are just my opinion, but I always feel like I’m at the advantage if I’m playing in these situations. :P (or disadvantage if I’m the one on the right)

s/d thief v ele = wrong
med guard v warr = wrong
necro v ele = wrong
mesmer v necro = l2 dodge
stunlock v necro = wrong

here are the true HARD counters imo:
thief v mesmer
necro v engi
ele vs guardian

and thats about it

This. Please stop with the misinformation.

Not disagreeing with you but let’s get some elaboration

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Yelloweyedemon.2860:

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We all know em but I think many people are confused about which ones really are actually hard counters

I’ll start

Med Guard vs Thief

You continue

Lol the typical d/d zerker thief who expects he will backstab and faceroll anything.

Thief hater identified

once you’re done with all that you’re welcome to join in on the discussion of hard counters

The only way someone would think that guard hard counters a thief, is if he played a d/d setup with zerker/glass build.

coglin.1867:

The misinformation is claiming a profession hard counters another. Build effect that more then the profession. Skill level effects it further.

Totally agree here. People seeing no difference between a staff ele and d/d ele or a condi thief and a power thief are some weird ppl.

The context also dictates a lot. Using Moa morph in a duel and Moa morph in a WvW setting is 2 extremely different proposition. Yeah, fighting back as a Moa in a duel is vial. Doing so when the Mesmer has a few pal with him is ludicrous.

People saying only skill matter should get over themselves. Whether you like it or not, there is a good deal of rock-paper-scissor going on in this game. Some build are so well tailored vs others that even a bad player should have no problem winning most of the time. The D/D thief fighting my staff ele is pretty hard to manage for my ele. Even a bad thief is going to be a handful I will have to probably flee.

This game isn’t about hard counters. Soft counters are about all you can say. There are too many interations and play styles to be conclusive.

Until Consume Plasma gets changed…

Thief > Mesmer

Am I the only one that finds it funny with all the “Ele is OP! Nerf!” threads, that no one has put it on their list of hard counters more than once as the actual hard counter. Ironic.

Yelloweyedemon.2860:

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Yelloweyedemon.2860:

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We all know em but I think many people are confused about which ones really are actually hard counters

I’ll start

Med Guard vs Thief

You continue

Lol the typical d/d zerker thief who expects he will backstab and faceroll anything.

Thief hater identified

once you’re done with all that you’re welcome to join in on the discussion of hard counters

The only way someone would think that guard hard counters a thief, is if he played a d/d setup with zerker/glass build.

Nope general consensus is on my side.

Lets just make the statement that if you are losing to power thieves on a guard then it’s a l2p issue.

As for thief > mesmer I agree in tPvP meta builds only. The other more 1v1 focused mesmer builds are not hard countered. Again I am not talking condi thief here.

Lettuce.2945:

Am I the only one that finds it funny with all the “Ele is OP! Nerf!” threads, that no one has put it on their list of hard counters more than once as the actual hard counter. Ironic.

Actually look into d/f eles.

Diamond Skin vs condi

Them not hard countering other classes doesn’t mean they aren’t too strong but that’s another thread entirely

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