Guild Wars 2

Hello mates,

I just wonder what class is most broken in your opinion!

I give you three free options:

a) necro
b) necroooo!
c) necro.

I’m dying to know what your opinion is!

P.S: necro is my favourite choice on those options!

No one class is the most broken, some are broken in specific ways for example:

Warrior and Engineer – Can have insane knockbacks/stuns/knockdowns
Thief – Stealth and/or evade spamming
Necromancer – Conditions, Conditions, Conditions
Ele – I would say regen, great access to ways to heal up
Guardian – Blocks, Blocks and more blocks
Mesmer – Stealth and PU
Ranger – Dunno, never played this class.

Engi, mostly necros are pingpong balls 2.0

Warrior. Because they have everything.

Let me guess, you play a build with a lot of boons and not a single condition removal or stun break and you got destroyed by a Necro?

Having problem against necromancers because of their conditions? l2p issue, and that’s not up for discussion. And that’s okay, there is nothing to be ashamed off, we all started somewhere.

Poplolita.2638:

Having problem against necromancers because of their conditions? l2p issue, and that’s not up for discussion. And that’s okay, there is nothing to be ashamed off, we all started somewhere.

So, I am 50+ now and still it is just fear fear fear fear + 10000 conditions = dead. It’s not like there is anything to do if you don’t have -100% condition duration like warrior or tons of stability. Don’t tell me about stun breaker. A stun breaker doesn’t make any difference against a nec.

Necros are really only broken in that they counter some of their own mechanics. I’m not even referring to Necro vs Necro, I’m referring to A Necro. Singular.

Using Death Shroud hard counters their own traits in Blood Magic and a couple in Spite. Kinda broken (as in, doesn’t work) there.

If we discount the huge amount of power creep we had in the last updates, the most OP profession, in a balanced view, would definetly be the Engineer.

There’s also the bunker Guardian. Yes, they are OP, but not them alone per se. What makes them OP is their interaction with their team and how long it takes to kill a skilled one. They can sit on mid long enough for their team to arrive there and clean your party.

Some people might even say Warrior, but honestly, the only problematic builds are Hambow and Condiwarrior, but conditions in general are broken. Hence why engies and necros are so fearsome in 1×1

Forestnator.6298:

Poplolita.2638:

Having problem against necromancers because of their conditions? l2p issue, and that’s not up for discussion. And that’s okay, there is nothing to be ashamed off, we all started somewhere.

So, I am 50+ now and still it is just fear fear fear fear + 10000 conditions = dead. It’s not like there is anything to do if you don’t have -100% condition duration like warrior or tons of stability. Don’t tell me about stun breaker. A stun breaker doesn’t make any difference against a nec.

I think this is funny…. Most necros have forgone condition builds and moved on to power mainly because guess what… most players in the game have learned how to deal with conditionmancers I think there is something to that there if you are still the only one having trouble against condi mancers.

Forestnator.6298:

Poplolita.2638:

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So, I am 50+ now and still it is just fear fear fear fear + 10000 conditions = dead. It’s not like there is anything to do if you don’t have -100% condition duration like warrior or tons of stability. Don’t tell me about stun breaker. A stun breaker doesn’t make any difference against a nec.

Still a L2P issue. Stability, invulns when they enter death shroud right away, Stun lock. Thats really all you need to know outside being smart with condi removal and dodges. Zerker stance just gives you an extra leg for a bit of time. They have 2-3 dodges only and targetted/telegraphed teles. Keep them locked, you keep them dead.

I don’t really find anything really broken, and it all depends on builds
– Rock, Paper, Scissor.

But things that imo seems a bit “over the top” in general in sPvP.

• Engineer – quite mobile, tanky, high sustain and burst heal at the same time, high damaging, quite unstoppable 1v1, even 1v2 and 1v3 depending on players and builds.
• Thief – Chain evading. I feel evades should be more important than they are atm.
• Warrior – They are really strong and can be really strong at many things at the same time, yet not really best at anything. Except that, killshot, while it’s more balanced against warriors, it one shots people with lower health pools and defence.
• Necro – Lifeblast and Deathly Claws, combined with the Chill to Death trait and Sigil of Fire and Air, while it can seem more balanced when fighting against a warrior, it totally wrecks people with lower health pools.

Most “broken”?

In what regard? Overall class design?
sPvP?
WvW?
PvE?
Dungeons? Zergs? Roaming? Material Warfare?
Money income?
Complexity?
Depth?

Warrior fits all that btw

Dee Jay.2460:

Most conceptually broken:

• Guardians (I know, not a common choice) – Way too much group support and survivability packed into a single class. Way too many group synergies and boon-spamming. They have become essentially what Monks were in Guild Wars 1. And that’s something we wanted to avoid.

Most numerically overpowered class:

• Warriors – Healing Signet is still too effective and easy, damage is very high, as is survivability. No real weaknesses, just generally too good at everything.

Most overpowered class:

• Engineer – Condition spam is just excessive, especially with all of it being hard to avoid and AoE. Coupled with bunkerish builds it’s incredibly overpowered.

Most overpowered trait:

• Prismatic Understanding – Has made Mesmers ridiculously durable with very little trade-off and resulted in a very unfun play-style.

Most overpowered mechanic:

• Stealth and Shadow Arts – Remove conditions, Blind, Regenerate Health, run faster, invisibility, Might stacking, high-damage openers). Is there ANYTHING stealth doesn’t do?

I.e. there are multiple angles to look at each class. Warriors for example, while being slightly overpowered, can easily be fixed by nerfing Runes of Strength and some of their numbers a little.

Guardians on the other hand need a much more fundamental redesign. They encompass way too much defensive utility and have dominated the meta since day 1. There is a reason they are the most commonly request class for Fractals, Dungeons, WvW and even sPvP. And it’s not because they are balanced.

Nailed it

Dee Jay.2460:

Most conceptually broken:

• Guardians (I know, not a common choice) – Way too much group support and survivability packed into a single class. Way too many group synergies and boon-spamming. They have become essentially what Monks were in Guild Wars 1. And that’s something we wanted to avoid.

Most numerically overpowered class:

• Warriors – Healing Signet is still too effective and easy, damage is very high, as is survivability. No real weaknesses, just generally too good at everything.

Most overpowered class:

• Engineer – Condition spam is just excessive, especially with all of it being hard to avoid and AoE. Coupled with bunkerish builds it’s incredibly overpowered.

Most overpowered trait:

• Prismatic Understanding – Has made Mesmers ridiculously durable with very little trade-off and resulted in a very unfun play-style.

Most overpowered mechanic:

• Stealth and Shadow Arts – Remove conditions, Blind, Regenerate Health, run faster, invisibility, Might stacking, high-damage openers). Is there ANYTHING stealth doesn’t do?

I.e. there are multiple angles to look at each class. Warriors for example, while being slightly overpowered, can easily be fixed by nerfing Runes of Strength and some of their numbers a little.

Guardians on the other hand need a much more fundamental redesign. They encompass way too much defensive utility and have dominated the meta since day 1. There is a reason they are the most commonly request class for Fractals, Dungeons, WvW and even sPvP. And it’s not because they are balanced.

From what I can make of this. It looks like Warriors are the only class that is balanced. Good and everything but not really the best at anything. Every other class seems too good and some times while being terrible at others.

engineers
too tanky
too much aoe
too much condi dmg
too much dmg from turrets
too tanky turrets (not to mention reflect, honestly wth!!?)
too much healing (from buffs and turrets)
too much CC

you just can’t fight engi in current state in pvp unless you are as well tanky aoe condi spammer

you know the class is broken when the best strategy to fight them is not to engage at all

1 engi in match is painfull, 2+ engis in match? you might as well afk because you will not get any points

I think OP means necro’s needs a buff so they’ll be better in PvE.
Good thinking OP, come on ANET, buff necros!!!

Cynz.9437:

engineers
too tanky
too much aoe
too much condi dmg
too much dmg from turrets
too tanky turrets (not to mention reflect, honestly wth!!?)
too much healing (from buffs and turrets)
too much CC

you just can’t fight engi in current state in pvp unless you are as well tanky aoe condi spammer

you know the class is broken when the best strategy to fight them is not to engage at all

1 engi in match is painfull, 2+ engis in match? you might as well afk because you will not get any points

necro says hi!

And the ele says hi as well

Warrior did not noticed the turrets while he was chainstun the engi to death

My top three from a sPvP and WvW perspective:

1. Engineer
2. Engineer
3. hmmm…..guess I’d say Asura because they are so kitten small but otherwise I’d say engineer.

a t s e.9614:

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And there’s no “broken” class atm. Some builds/classes are just better than average .

^This.

If game was full balanced, i imagine all matches were like 2 guardian bunkers trying to kill each other.

Balance is made for groups of 5.
Games requires teamwork.

Blackjack.2083:

My top three from a sPvP and WvW perspective:

1. Engineer
2. Engineer
3. hmmm…..guess I’d say Asura because they are so kitten small but otherwise I’d say engineer.

Engi nades range are way to much and i agree small sized azuran in middle of the minions or clones with also the smallest asuran size thief, a team like this can be very very annoying, minimal asuran size should be bigger.

pvp perspective:
1. turret engi. even more ridiculous than hambow.
2. warrior, condi specs or hammer specs. low risk / high reward
3. PW thief. stun, evade, huge damage, spammable.

also lol at OPs satire which has turned into an actual thread of people sharing their opinions, also necros are nowhere near the top of my list, MMs might be somewhere up there but playing a class who has decent AoE MMs are no issue, and i never have trouble with lich, just strafe.

How much nerf would you want HS to get ? Nerf it further than it is today and it becomes ineffective. Nerf warrior’s “numbers” and you’ve killed the class because of its highly telegraphed attacks.

Please understand.

Turret engi only great in soloq and average in teamq. Engine overall might be able to be almost as effective as warrior but it requires much more effort( excluding turret engine).

I can stack conditions faster on my warrior then my necro atm.

Engineer and Warrior are both ridiculously strong right now.

If we’re talking about the other definition of broken, then obviously Ranger is the only correct answer.

There is no such thing as a broken profession. There are only strong skills and traits, that when combined, make over powered builds. As I see it, the devs can only Take this thread seriously if posters discuss specific build combinations, so that we can make them aware of the problematic combos. Making uninformed blanket statements is counter productive and only displays a lack of understanding of the professions that an individual is making blind, blanket statements about.

Another issue I see, is that some players claim yields that are easy to counter play as broken. Does a CC engineer seem broken to a high stability uptime warrior? Probably not. Does a pure condi build warrior seem broken to a necro that has condi tranfers?

dancingmonkey.4902:

There is no such thing as a broken profession. There are only strong skills and traits, that when combined, make over powered builds. As I see it, the devs can only Take this thread seriously if posters discuss specific build combinations, so that we can make them aware of the problematic combos. Making uninformed blanket statements is counter productive and only displays a lack of understanding of the professions that an individual is making blind, blanket statements about.

Another issue I see, is that some players claim yields that are easy to counter play as broken. Does a CC engineer seem broken to a high stability uptime warrior? Probably not. Does a pure condi build warrior seem broken to a necro that has condi tranfers?

This^^

There are outliers that can deal with the extremes (ie: sword thief with traited steal can deal with boon spam), but as these are exceptions themselves, its still possible to look at general trends and proff mechanics in relation to each other.
That being said, this game seems to be very role and comp dependent with both pve and pvp content requiring specific builds/comps, ultimately a question of team synergy.
However a lot of the game is random/pug, in fact most of it is, so questions of balance outside of group organization is important.

dancingmonkey.4902:

There is no such thing as a broken profession. There are only strong skills and traits, that when combined, make over powered builds. As I see it, the devs can only Take this thread seriously if posters discuss specific build combinations, so that we can make them aware of the problematic combos. Making uninformed blanket statements is counter productive and only displays a lack of understanding of the professions that an individual is making blind, blanket statements about.

Another issue I see, is that some players claim yields that are easy to counter play as broken. Does a CC engineer seem broken to a high stability uptime warrior? Probably not. Does a pure condi build warrior seem broken to a necro that has condi tranfers?

except engis in current state do have overloaded kit with too many too good traits

you guys always think in 1v1, but as i stated before what if there is not just 1 engi?

i saw high stability warriors fighting few engis, they shredded him and everyone around him

there just too much to deal with when you fight engis atm

when i fight an engi i have a feeling i am fighting guardian with blocks and reflects, with necro condi dmg/HP/CC and minions, warrior CC/dmg, ele heals/moblity/burning dmg and aoe capability – all in one

the only thing they don’t have access to is consistent stealth

engis are kings of conquest in their current state and i honestly fail to understand why anet keeps buffing them while rendering certain other classes useless

necros have weakness, they have low moblity and are weak against CC
warriors while are really strong are still killable and can be blinded or stipped off boons, poison also works well

engis barely have any weakness simply because they have too much of everything, if they messed up they have too many tools to cover for it

I fail to see how multiple opponent beating a single opponent or a larger group defeating a significantly smaller one is much of a counter argument. At that point the profession becomes irrelevant and number begin to matter more then anything else.

I love to see that no one finds ranger broken.
And still no news from the devs regarding the CDI.

I think Ranger pets are broken. You know a mechanic is broken when the best strategy to do is not engage pets.

Rangers suck. Please everyone demand Anet to address Ranger issues.

a t s e.9614:

Yes rangers are broken. Main source of damage = auto attack.

You mean autoattack + pet.

Thieves with god like stealth that heals / remove conditions / give 50% speed /gives 100% crit /50% less damage and lot more

Engineers are excellent on points (if not over powered).
Engineers are in a good place in roaming (near top but not really the top. They do lack good mobility without serious sacrifice).
Engineers in zergs tend to lack an effective role. Sure they can do damage with a power build but are not as effective because of mobility and stability issues. Conditions are of lesser importance in zergs as are healing bombs.

So much of balance is situational. You can’t simply say nerf an engineer when in WvW large groups you basically are meh.

Thief is another good example. Their stealth matters little in spvp but in wvw is annoying if not op.

Cynz.9437:

dancingmonkey.4902:

There is no such thing as a broken profession. There are only strong skills and traits, that when combined, make over powered builds. As I see it, the devs can only Take this thread seriously if posters discuss specific build combinations, so that we can make them aware of the problematic combos. Making uninformed blanket statements is counter productive and only displays a lack of understanding of the professions that an individual is making blind, blanket statements about.

Another issue I see, is that some players claim yields that are easy to counter play as broken. Does a CC engineer seem broken to a high stability uptime warrior? Probably not. Does a pure condi build warrior seem broken to a necro that has condi tranfers?

except engis in current state do have overloaded kit with too many too good traits

you guys always think in 1v1, but as i stated before what if there is not just 1 engi?

i saw high stability warriors fighting few engis, they shredded him and everyone around him

there just too much to deal with when you fight engis atm

when i fight an engi i have a feeling i am fighting guardian with blocks and reflects, with necro condi dmg/HP/CC and minions, warrior CC/dmg, ele heals/moblity/burning dmg and aoe capability – all in one

the only thing they don’t have access to is consistent stealth

engis are kings of conquest in their current state and i honestly fail to understand why anet keeps buffing them while rendering certain other classes useless

necros have weakness, they have low moblity and are weak against CC
warriors while are really strong are still killable and can be blinded or stipped off boons, poison also works well

engis barely have any weakness simply because they have too much of everything, if they messed up they have too many tools to cover for it

Turret engi have low mobility, weak against cc and condi dmg. Combine Guard with a war or ele and they can quite easily wreck two turret engi. Staff ele is also there biggest counter atm.

Bombsaway.7198:

Thief is another good example. Their stealth matters little in spvp but in wvw is annoying if not op.

Thief dont have no where near as much of an impact in WvW as Wars, Guards, Ele Necros or Mesmers. Though I guess they do hurt people ego ;/.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

No one class is the most broken, some are broken in specific ways for example:

Warrior and Engineer – Can have insane knockbacks/stuns/knockdowns
Thief – Stealth and/or evade spamming
Necromancer – Conditions, Conditions, Conditions
Ele – I would say regen, great access to ways to heal up
Guardian – Blocks, Blocks and more blocks
Mesmer – Stealth and PU
Ranger – Dunno, never played this class.

Nice job mentioning what these classes DO and what distinguishes them. Your idea of “unbreaking” classes is by making them all the same, ultimately. Disgusting.

Bombsaway.7198:

Engineers are excellent on points (if not over powered).
Engineers are in a good place in roaming (near top but not really the top. They do lack good mobility without serious sacrifice).
Engineers in zergs tend to lack an effective role. Sure they can do damage with a power build but are not as effective because of mobility and stability issues. Conditions are of lesser importance in zergs as are healing bombs.

So much of balance is situational. You can’t simply say nerf an engineer when in WvW large groups you basically are meh.

To be fair though all the Medium armor wearers and kinda of Meh in zergs and good at small group roaming. Maybe thats there intended role?

I would say there are some mechanics of the game that are broken rather than classes.

1. Invisibility – pretty stupid mechanic that has no counter-play, all you can do is guess with aoe/cleave, try to dodge/block the actions from the player that you can’t see, or run away. Essentially doesn’t allow you to make any intelligent decisions on how to play since you have no information on what the other player is doing and it’s impossible to get any information on what they are doing, all you can do is run or guess and pray.

2. Boon spamming – Provides way too much survivability/support for abilities that require very little thought to use. Any group can get 2 morons to play shout guards and their group becomes near-impossible to kill. All it requires is the group to run around relatively close to each other with the guards slapping their keyboards.

3. Condition spamming – Pretty much same deal as boon spamming in that it requires very little thought to be effective. Just play a perplexity condi-engi and spam everything and you win, you don’t need to know what condis you’re spamming and you don’t need to care because the conditions and their effects aren’t unique or complex enough for it to matter, it’s just a lot of damage that kills people.

Would be nice if Anet would go back to it’s roots with GW1, remove invisibility from the game and use the enchantment/hex system instead of the boon/condition system. Just some quick examples of enchantment/hex system for non-GW1 players.

Enchantment: Holy Veil – Doubles the casting time of hexes cast on target player and at the end remove a hex.

Hex: Shivers of Dread – Cold damage interrupts target foe’s actions.

They are positive/negative effects that can be applied to players similar to boons/conditions, but a lot of them require specific strategies/synergies and lots of planning/coordination to be effective.

@Waffler
You’re just undermining your own post with sentences such as Perplexity Engi requiring “no thought”. It does. Quite a bit. The confusion only triggers on interrupts, and while Engis has a lot of those, you also need to track the ICD in your head.

So yes, maybe it needs a nerf (hell knows Runes and Sigils as a whole need a substantial nerf). But by making the spec look “stupid”, you’d only tell the devs that there’s no serious complaints about it.

Also, we have too much synergy already. I’m thinking adding Hexes or Enchantments which require specific combinations would be the last thing we want to do.

I would say thief IF he has a friend….. they are fine alone (ignoring one particularly bs build…) but in no other circumstance do I die faster in a 2v1 or even a 2v2 then when there is a thief mindlessly spamming blinds on me or just happily sticking to me like glue going 2222222. once they have a team they become ridiculous and I think this is where a lot of the spvp thief hate comes from

vincecontix.1264:

Bombsaway.7198:

Thief is another good example. Their stealth matters little in spvp but in wvw is annoying if not op.

Thief dont have no where near as much of an impact in WvW as Wars, Guards, Ele Necros or Mesmers. Though I guess they do hurt people ego ;/.

Actually they do. They are excellent roamers. Making them ideal for cutting of trickling zerg reinforcements and solo camp flippers or guard killers. As individuals they can have the largest impact on points for the server.

vincecontix.1264:

To be fair though all the Medium armor wearers and kinda of Meh in zergs and good at small group roaming. Maybe thats there intended role?

Try telling that to the bomb kit engineer commanders who front line zergs on JQ server

dancingmonkey.4902:

vincecontix.1264:

To be fair though all the Medium armor wearers and kinda of Meh in zergs and good at small group roaming. Maybe thats there intended role?

Try telling that to the bomb kit engineer commanders who front line zergs on JQ server

whether you go Bomb kit healing engi or condi or for cc its still sub par compared to what a Warrior or Guardian would bring but yes it can work for sure.

Maybe sub part for you. With good group design and coordination, there is no difference. It doesn’t benefit anyone for you to assume that what the rest of us organize is sub par. Some of us think outside the box and do not clone meta builds or methods. Honestly, you shouldn’t peoject your individual limitations onto the rest of us.

d) Thief on one end of the spectrum, Ranger on the other. (WvW)