Guild Wars 2

BurrTheKing.8571:

Also, can we please stop this “my class didn’t get good stuff so you don’t deserve good stuff either” crap? It’s not Warrior’s fault that your class has problems. We’re trying to improve our class just like you wat to improve yours and that’s all that there is to it.

It isn’t about improving everything the same, though.

Some classes, I.E., the warrior, are inherently better than others, and also received better updates. To complain these updates aren’t satisfactory simply isn’t even justified. Asking for anything more is simply asking to add a larger margin of power and just doesn’t make any sense.

I mean did you read the OP? If you didn’t, here you go.

And to have the audacity to state the devs which have CLEARLY favored the class since release “hate” that exact class and not considering any other class’s problems (such as one being almost totally non-viable except for one build)? I think my reaction is justified, frankly. I want the classes to be balanced. This means no warrior buffs and a focus on rangers as per the community vote.

Auzerous.1384:

Tactics: Phalanx Strength – When you grant yourself might, grant it to nearby allies as well. 6s of might is granted each time this trait triggers. (It works with blast finishers)

I can see potential. If a warrior builds 30 into tactics, he is either trying to run healing shouts or banners (support). If you take this trait, you lose the regeneration banner/healing shout options. I see great potential with Battle Standard and I think this trait is made for it. This trait basically gives an offensive support banner style instead. Little use beyond that, unless you tried 20 in arms for gs crit = might. I think that’d just be a weird build lol.

why do you think it will be weird? I think a build like this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vIAQFARjMd03ZhH2eQHSA48AKmaK9IMyAA-zAyAYLAKDQyrIasVuioxqWw0vCRa4U7NwAA-e

with ten points in either strength or discipline depending on the damage output would be good with the trait.

Warrior traits seem underwhelming compared to their other, very powerful, traits.

Overall, they are pretty good. Rangers, Engineers and even Guardians have far more underwhelming new GM traits. The rest argueably a bit better or worst, depends if you can make a build out of some of those.

And thats the thing, these GM traits are intented to open up new build diversity, how do you open up more build diversity for the profession that can do just about everything well already?

Burst? Check. Bunker? Check. Support? Check. Conditions? Check. Direct-damage? Check. Control? Check.

We see Warriors do everything in every game mode already. What builds are left to open up for Warriors?

Wow never thought i would see a thread like this. War does not really need anything new they face roll the game as is. Play a thief/ele or necro then see how you feel about a war..

Auzerous.1384:

AGAIN – we can’t really judge these traits fully until we see all the new changes that come with this update and we don’t even know if 4/5 of these traits actually exist. Arenanet has only revealed Dual-Wielding Agility (Arms) in the official post.

The other ones were revealing during a Ready Up. That is, the official livestream…
I would say that’s quite enough of a confirmation, if anything…

Warrior rage, music to my ears!

Here’s a question: how does the new burst crits trait interact with Sword’s burst skill? Every strike crits?

The only place where I could see it being useful, though. For everything else, there’s Sigil of Intelligence.

Phantom Master.9582:

Warrior rage, music to my ears!

The easier the class is to play, the more tears they produce.

Im all for fixing bugs on warrior long as they also nerf it

I would rather they balance wars than nerf them, as in into the ground, so instead of warriors being on a pedestal they’ll be on equal grounds with other classes. More so that Anet makes the class more active and fun to play again.

jportell.2197:

killahmayne.9518:

jportell.2197:

@OP maybe because warriors don’t need any new GM traits to actually perform... They are the apex predator in PvP right now. They have viable builds of every kind.
1. Burst
2. Sustain
3. Tank/Bunker
4. Condi/tank

Almost no other classes have this build diversity which is why the warrior new GM traits are lackluster. They don’t need to be more OP than they already are.

You just pulled the "Warriors are OP, so that means they don’t deserve any bug fixes, general fixes, tweaks to quality of play or any good GM traits for that matter" card.

That is completely stupid. It’s not like GM traits would make a class stupidly OP because guess what? It REQUIRES sacrifice. So since warriors are "OP" right now that justifies giving us total garbage GM Traits? Especially when ANet hypes up this "OMG NEW 40 GM TRAITS!" to keep interest in this game?

Guess what? They are nerfing Hambow builds again. Pindown has an elaborate animation and a 3x longer cast time now. Healing Signet is being nerfed by 8%. Building Momentum just received the wrath of ANet’s infamous nerfbat.

And lol @ a "sustain" build. What is that even supposed to mean? You mean shout healing right???? Lol, ok there buddy.

Hambow builds are the only A-Tier build in sPvP. Any other build is B-Tier at best. And like I said, they are nerfing that again.

lol.... Not even gonna touch the shout heal. You don’t need shout heal to have sustain. Healing Signet, Cleansing Ire, Adrenal health. Bam a warrior with a zerker ammy has sustain...
It is ridiculous how much warriors are whining that they didn’t get the best new shinies...

If you look at what ANet did they took the classes that are doing the worst in PvP and gave them some of the best for the new traits.

You think warriors traits are bad... Look at guardian.... And guardian can’t even touch a warrior on so many different levels in pvp right now.

Warriors aren’t even OP because of GM traits they are OP because of a combination of adrenal health, healing signet and cleansing ire. They have hands down the absolute best defense in the game compared to every other class with only a 20 trait point sacrifice.

Edit: and the last thing warriors need to complain about is getting a nerf bat. I was dueling a condi warrior on my mesmer that had 2500 armor total. His arcing arrow hit me for 5500... No points in the power tree, no power amulet, no power runes.... and one skill from a ranged weapon does 5500 damage to someone with 2500 armor... Please warriors need their damage toned down alot and their survive.

Ok .... then why is sustain a build then? When apparently Healing Signet and Cleansing Ire is all we need? Why not whine? ANet advertised and hyped up New GM traits for classes, and Warriors didn’t get anything worth a kitten. Warriors wanted something new to play with like other classes but didn’t get anything.

GM Traits aren’t supposed to single-handedly bring classes into viability and you seem to be under that misconception. GM Traits are for builds that specialize in something. That is what Adept and Major traits are for. GM Traits meant to create diversity and offer up more choices.

So pretty much your lame justification for warriors not getting anything is because they are "OP". Or Anet not fixing any warrior bugs is because they are "OP". You are so narrow-minded and biased and filled with warrior hate it isn’t even funny at this point.

And I call bullkitten on a full condi warrior with no power whatsoever hitting you for a 5,500 Arcing Arrow. That is about how much I hit in PvP going 20/0/30/0/20 with a zerker amulet. I can even recreate that test. Unless the Warrior somehow had 25 stacks of might and you had 25 stacks of vulnerability (even then I doubt it because of the lack of damage modifiers). Stop trying to take people on a ride of false lies.

Warriors should give up empower allies and, either discipline or strength banner, to necromancer and engineer. Then that may help with class balancing!

jportell.2197:

nemka.1803:

jportell.2197:

@OP maybe because warriors don’t need any new GM traits to actually perform… They are the apex predator in PvP right now. They have viable builds of every kind.
1. Burst
2. Sustain
3. Tank/Bunker
4. Condi/tank

Almost no other classes have this build diversity which is why the warrior new GM traits are lackluster. They don’t need to be more OP than they already are.

diversity is not OP.

It is OP when no other classes have even close to the same diversity…. The thinking is why take anything else when the warrior does the job just as well if not better.

And QQ all you want about warriors crappy new GM traits they will still be top dawgs come April 15th which annoys everyone but warriors apparently.

the warrior does not do anything better then other classes,
the two comprable classes:
the gurdian is a better gurdian
the ranger is a better ranger (some pets are really strong aginst wars)
other classes are completlly diffrent and thus the warrior cant do something he cant do at all better then they can.

what gives the warrior an edge(sometimes) is the fact that warriors swap weapons,
i sometimes swap weapons more then 4 times during one fight,
you can give yourself diversity just by swaping weapons, but you either dont have to cuz your class can do just fine with a single weapon or you dont like the extra effort.

think about the thief, why thief dont have much diversity ?
the thief’s skills are spamable so thiefs just use the most cost effictive skill.
then they use the same thinking about thier builds, why would they use a build less effictive then other thiefs?

ima sum up :P

nerf the thief’s stealth/blind spamming (id say they should do lots of dammage but it should come at some cost, unlike now).

boost the rangers, the pets should be more helpfull and not just one skill ponys.
the ranger should be given abit more stealth.

wow, so much hate toward warrior.

i remember back then when Warrior was mere a Clown getting everyone laughing , just when we got better sustain and anti-condi tools the warrior got better, but still the Warrior which is a melee class is the most telegraphed class in game,with no stealth, teleports, minions, pets or protection and with not the best in-battle mobility.

also FYI, Warrior is on the nerf for the 5th time in a row, so get done with your QQ already.

the problem is, ANet can’t see past Hambows, for ANet Warrior = Hambow !!, without any care for other builds just hambows, in fact Warriors are forced to go hambow to be effective in PvP because other builds are just meh,but you see, it is only good in one place, just one which is capture point PvP, you won’t see it in TDM PvP or in WvW or even in PvE .

I agree, the 15.4.14, will be a BLACK DAY for all warriors, they are getting close to 10+, double digit nerfs inflicted on them in one go!

15.4.14 The day warriors everywhere die a little inside

You see Hambow everywhere in WvW. Roaming, zergs, you name it. Everywhere. You’ll probably see it in TDM PvP as well because of the great AoE.

It’s not that other specs are weak, it’s that Hambow is so much damage and control in one package that nothing else is even considered. Warrior has multiple viable specs in every game mode, but Hambow is so broken that it overshadows them all except in PvE where only DPS matters.

Juba.8406:

also FYI, Warrior is on the nerf for the 5th time in a row, so get done with your QQ already.

I lol’d. Every class has gotten nerfed more than the Warrior from the beginning of the game, so you won’t see sympathy from most classes, you’re just getting what we’ve been getting since Day 1.

Meglobob.8620:

I agree, the 15.4.14, will be a BLACK DAY for all warriors, they are getting close to 10+, double digit nerfs inflicted on them in one go!

15.4.14 The day warriors everywhere die a little inside

You really want to compare your warrior nerfs against thief nerfs?

pops a bag of popcorn, I’m all ears.

Most of the new gm traits are pretty awful. Look at ele for example. Its agreed ele needs the most help besides ranger and they got probably the worst new gm traits. More healing to allies when the ele is the one that needs help surviving. A blind when peeps get burned with a internal cooldown. A few seconds of weakness on interupt when we only have a few interupt skills on long cooldowns. Boons when we get hit in different attunements that are worse then the boons we get on attunement swap trait that is a major trait. Last can’t be crit when we are in are worst most useless attunement.

Also FYI warriors got probably the best new gm trait. 100% crit on burst skills is insane. Can already tell the new meta will be a mix of valk/cav/soilders gear with this trait a hammer and your choice of bow rifle or axe main hand. Warriors don’t even need percision anymore lol and will still hit like a truck with earthshaker eviscrate and killshot.

Tots.3056:

A warrior complaining? Are you even kidding me? I 100% thought you were trolling at first. Did you forget about the +1000 toughness on stunbreak? Because warriors need to be even more tanky. And did you forget about the 100% crit chance on burst skill? This means warriors don’t need precision for bursts in PvP. That leaves them open to stack all those points in another stat. Warriors have been nothing but buffed for the last year which leads me to believe all anet devs are terribad warriors who can’t pvp to save their life.

amazing you should say that. Warriors were bottom of the barrel for the first half of the game. you know nothing therefore your opinion is a joke. Warriors have gotten a whopping
1. dogged march
2. cleansing ire
3. 3% burst damage converted to 30% burst recharge
4. bleed on pin down
5. cast while moving on staggering blow
6. healsig buff
7. yak sig became viable
8. stances got buffed

8 major changes at the cost of NURFED damage, massive telegraphs, decreased skill cap, respect and our bloody dignity.
warriors are no pet class. This is a lie created by casual noobs who dont know how to pvp to save their own lives. As it stands warriors have the advantage in one field in solo play. They are the strongest power class currently. Conditions are stronger and any good condi player will beat a warrior of equal or slightly greater skill. If you cannot beat a warrior first look to your playstyle because you probably arent even geared nor have you ever tried to improve your build.
This patch is nothing more than a stupid attempt to make warriors a little more than a one trick burst pony who is too tanky and does nothing.
Expect in the following patches that burst damage will be lowered by a certain %, expect nerfs to mobility, and the fall of warriors once again. This class is turning into a meatbag with a high HP pool and heavy 1 1 1 11 spam abilities. Am I defending warriors? no I dont care I am already rerolling a mesmer because I see who the real pet class is. (oh but it has a skillcap so everyone thinks its underpowered lucky me no more putting up with this whiny BS)

NinjaEd.3946:

Meglobob.8620:

I agree, the 15.4.14, will be a BLACK DAY for all warriors, they are getting close to 10+, double digit nerfs inflicted on them in one go!

15.4.14 The day warriors everywhere die a little inside

You really want to compare your warrior nerfs against thief nerfs?

pops a bag of popcorn, I’m all ears.

Stealth didt get nerf or P/D but hammer/longbow got nerfd to the ground so we are free kill for you if we dont run away

I think this is what people want us to become.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Why-is-ranger-pet-better-then-Warrior/first

killahmayne.9518:

I think this is what people want us to become.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Why-is-ranger-pet-better-then-Warrior/first

Lmao that thread brings back memories. So many new people just completely unaware how Warrior used to be rock bottom in PvP not too long ago.

Jzaku.9765:

killahmayne.9518:

I think this is what people want us to become.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Why-is-ranger-pet-better-then-Warrior/first

Lmao that thread brings back memories. So many new people just completely unaware how Warrior used to be rock bottom in PvP not too long ago.

And now they’re at the very top of the food chain, dominating all. They get to feel what it’s like to be at the top in every way…including unnecessary nerfs. God knows how many the Ranger class has seen.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Jzaku.9765:

killahmayne.9518:

I think this is what people want us to become.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Why-is-ranger-pet-better-then-Warrior/first

Lmao that thread brings back memories. So many new people just completely unaware how Warrior used to be rock bottom in PvP not too long ago.

And now they’re at the very top of the food chain, dominating all. They get to feel what it’s like to be at the top in every way…including unnecessary nerfs. God knows how many the Ranger class has seen.

Now that we are better than your pets, can we be your pets instead?

True fact

Guild Wars 1 pvp and pve

Pet maximum damage (done with all self buffing as well as a fully charged elite) – 210
Warrior maximum damage (executed with the axe attack elite) – 180

Explanation: in Guild wars 1 a sinister pet wich is fully buffed up can score hits way above what a warrior can do all while maintaining a permanant 21 damage reduction high speed attack rate and powerfull Healing, Pets also could be endlessly called back to life using heal as one without any death penality.

In close to all way warrior were inferior to pet ranger (bad heal less tanky less damage) save for the fact that despite their lower damage they could chain knockdown any target to its doom using a well balanced hammer build but to even do that they ned to sacrifice close to all form of survivability. The ranger itself had non existant damage as a compensation but the pet alone acted as a heavy dps powerhouse. Pet were the heavy physical damage aspect of the ranger and reflected the bestial power of nature well.

In guild wars 2
The Ranger always possess decent damage regardless of traiting but pet was highly weakened as a consequance. While the damage ratio of a beast master ranger was of 1% ranger to 99% pet the damage ratio of a BM ranger in Guild wars 2 is actualy at best of 40% ranger to 60% pet and this result into them as a team dealing fairly decent damage but behing extremely weak individualy. Pet also has a very long recharge cooldown on death dies to nearly anything and cannot dodge wich makes it prey to about every AOE attack. While my Jingle bear could solo tank Duncan in GW1 my Jaguard in guild wars 2 needs to be constantly watched on to keep it alive. They need to at least make pet specialising better then this.

NinjaEd.3946:

Meglobob.8620:

I agree, the 15.4.14, will be a BLACK DAY for all warriors, they are getting close to 10+, double digit nerfs inflicted on them in one go!

15.4.14 The day warriors everywhere die a little inside

You really want to compare your warrior nerfs against thief nerfs?

pops a bag of popcorn, I’m all ears.

In sPvP 1vs1, a thief always kills the warrior, if they are at the same skill level…

Its not a warriors fault they are better for party/groups in PvE and WvW. That’s between thiefs & Anet to sort out…

Well played OP. I say that because I refuse to believe that the OP was serious in any way shape or form.

Why play a warrior when guardian does everything better?

Kukchi.6173:

Why play a warrior when guardian does everything better?

Because warrior is easier and has more viable option for lockdown

Kukchi.6173:

Why play a warrior when guardian does everything better?

Because unlike a Guardian, a Warrior can do it all at once. Guardians have to specialize.